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Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#841 » by Hal14 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 5:39 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:The vet min must be way less than 6m per. He’s at 12/2 GSW.

Yeah..vet min for a 10+ year vet is about $3.6mil.

Also, when Brad made the offer to Al, that was likely way at the beginning of the offseason. When we were blowing the team up, trading Jrue and KP, Tatum was in a boot, etc.

Way back then (in like June), Al probably thought he was gonna get closer to like $8-10mil a year from GS..and his mind was already made up at that point (way back in June) that a) he could make more $ in GS and b) he'd have a better chance to compete for a championship in GS and c) GS could offer him a multi year deal, BOS would not...the better weather in California was simply icing on the cake..
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#842 » by Hal14 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 9:42 pm

Read on Twitter


Never considered retirement. Yet there was a bunch of reports during the offseason that he was considering retirement.

More proof that a lot of these "reports" are not legit. Gotta take any of these rumors/reports with a grain of salt, unless it's actually being reported as an official done deal.

Like how the other day Joe said that when Jordan said we were gonna do lots of 5 in, 5 out subbing, he was just messing with the media.

It's like, how many other times when the media reports stuff was it just a player/coach/exec messing with the media?

There was this too..
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/stevens-comes-clean-on-tatums-growth-spurt-we-had-a-good-laugh/168617/
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#843 » by 2Mas » Thu Oct 2, 2025 5:28 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Despite the money situation, I think that Horford just left too carelessly.
Isn't that what he did the first time; saying later something like he may have stayed, if Kyrie was gone?

Much respect to/for Horford, as a player and basketball mind.
But, he seems to have jumped the gun, again?

I still would like to see him as a Big-Man Coach in the future, for the Celtics.

Yeah going cross country with 5(?) kids for 1/2 yrs for a play in team over 2/3m a yr don't sit well with me. After 9 seasons you'd think we'd build more of a foundation.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#844 » by Dogen » Thu Oct 2, 2025 5:55 pm

Wow, despite all the circumstances leading up to this, I still feel remorse seeing Al leave like this. Having him here for one more year witht he possibility of JT coming back would have made for a very interesting spring of 2026.

As it stands, well, he went for the money, the extra year, the weather... whatever. It's kinda sad, but I see why he did it. L like GS just fine, lived there for years and it's a good org. And that's a vet team on last hurrah. I just don't really see it for Horford. Maybe they'll squeeze one more year out of him but I doubt they do much in the playoffs, and Al could have retired here and moved right into another role with the C's, keeping his family at the home where they already have everything.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#845 » by Hal14 » Thu Oct 2, 2025 9:03 pm

Dogen wrote:As it stands, well, he went for the money, the extra year, the weather... whatever. It's kinda sad, but I see why he did it. L like GS just fine, lived there for years and it's a good org. And that's a vet team on last hurrah. I just don't really see it for Horford. Maybe they'll squeeze one more year out of him but I doubt they do much in the playoffs, and Al could have retired here and moved right into another role with the C's, keeping his family at the home where they already have everything.

Sure, Al could have done that. But he's a competitor. He wants to compete for a championship. GS is going for it. They know this might be their last chance to win a title with Steph. They're putting all of their chips in. They have their core back and they added Butler at the deadline.

Boston meanwhile just traded 2 of its best players and cut more payroll in 1 offseason than basically any team in NBA history. And our best player has a torn achilles.

GS is competing for a championship this season. We're not.

Even though they might not do much in the playoffs, the fact is Steph, Draymond and Kerr have won 4 titles together. Last year they went out in the 2nd round. But Steph only played in 1 of the 5 games vs Minnesota. And Butler was still getting used to playing with them.

This season a Big 3 of Steph, Draymond and Butler is about as good as any Big 3 in the league.

Pretty much the only teams who had interest in Al this offseason were GS, Denver, BOS and MIL. Milwaukee got Turner so if he went there he'd be a backup and if he went to Denver he'd be a backup. Seemed like Milwaukee's interest went away after they got Turner and Denver got Valanciunas instead - perhaps because they knew he was gonna go to GS since he could start there, rather than just being Jokic's backup in Denver.

GS was the only team that a) wanted him b) is competing for a championship and c) he'd get a starting spot

Plus GS is able to pay him more $ than Boston..again, the better weather is just icing on the cake.

Sure, it's a bummer that he has to move his family with 5 kids across the country but clearly the most important thing to him is competing for a championship. So he doesn't mind moving.

As for moving into another role with the Cs, he probably isn't even weighing that at all right now. He said in his presser the other day that retirement was not even a consideration for him this summer. So he's probably not thinking about what role he may or may not have somewhere after he retires. Plus he could move into a role with the C's, regardless of whether he plays this season in GS. Clearly, based on what Brad and Joe have said about Al over the past few days, they both still (even after he leaving for GS) think VERY highly of him.

We also don't know what Al might want to do after he retires. For all we know, he wants to get into broadcasting. Or he wants to just take it easy and coach his son's youth basketball team, who knows.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#846 » by Dogen » Thu Oct 2, 2025 10:55 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Dogen wrote:As it stands, well, he went for the money, the extra year, the weather... whatever. It's kinda sad, but I see why he did it. L like GS just fine, lived there for years and it's a good org. And that's a vet team on last hurrah. I just don't really see it for Horford. Maybe they'll squeeze one more year out of him but I doubt they do much in the playoffs, and Al could have retired here and moved right into another role with the C's, keeping his family at the home where they already have everything.

Sure, Al could have done that. But he's a competitor. He wants to compete for a championship. GS is going for it. They know this might be their last chance to win a title with Steph. They're putting all of their chips in. They have their core back and they added Butler at the deadline.

Boston meanwhile just traded 2 of its best players and cut more payroll in 1 offseason than basically any team in NBA history. And our best player has a torn achilles.

GS is competing for a championship this season. We're not.

Even though they might not do much in the playoffs, the fact is Steph, Draymond and Kerr have won 4 titles together. Last year they went out in the 2nd round. But Steph only played in 1 of the 5 games vs Minnesota. And Butler was still getting used to playing with them.

This season a Big 3 of Steph, Draymond and Butler is about as good as any Big 3 in the league.

Pretty much the only teams who had interest in Al this offseason were GS, Denver, BOS and MIL. Milwaukee got Turner so if he went there he'd be a backup and if he went to Denver he'd be a backup. Seemed like Milwaukee's interest went away after they got Turner and Denver got Valanciunas instead - perhaps because they knew he was gonna go to GS since he could start there, rather than just being Jokic's backup in Denver.

GS was the only team that a) wanted him b) is competing for a championship and c) he'd get a starting spot

Plus GS is able to pay him more $ than Boston..again, the better weather is just icing on the cake.

Sure, it's a bummer that he has to move his family with 5 kids across the country but clearly the most important thing to him is competing for a championship. So he doesn't mind moving.

As for moving into another role with the Cs, he probably isn't even weighing that at all right now. He said in his presser the other day that retirement was not even a consideration for him this summer. So he's probably not thinking about what role he may or may not have somewhere after he retires. Plus he could move into a role with the C's, regardless of whether he plays this season in GS. Clearly, based on what Brad and Joe have said about Al over the past few days, they both still (even after he leaving for GS) think VERY highly of him.

We also don't know what Al might want to do after he retires. For all we know, he wants to get into broadcasting. Or he wants to just take it easy and coach his son's youth basketball team, who knows.


Last hurrah FTW, like I said. It's a cool story, and I wish them the best, but father time is undefeated. Curry, Butler, Green and Horford will make for an average age of over 37 by the time the payoffs roll around.

It would be a very cool story indeed, and perhaps unprecedented in NBA history (I don't have the facts about that, but a true On Ball Creator certainly does? :wink:)

(A quick AI search shows the 1998 Bulls the oldest Championship starting 5 at 33.4 years. If the Warriors run those 4 plus Hield, that would be an average of 35.8, just based on their current ages).

So this really begs whether Podziemski, Kuminga, Moody, Jackson-Davis, etc. are enough young help to get them past the cream of the West. I would not hold it against Horford for chasing a title in this way, even if means they limit his minutes and dust him off for one last glorious playoff run. All is fair in love and war, so we can't complain about the strategy. Thing is, even with all of those considerations, I don't think it's going to be enough.

Thunder
Rockets/Nuggets
Lakers
Timberwolves/Warriors/Mavericks/Clippers

That's how I see the West being won. Warriors somewhere in not-quite homecourt advantage land, maybe play-in as they will be in reg season preservation mode, and dependant on their own relative health vs the health of the Mavericks and Clippers come playoffs.

Looks like another tough second round exit to me, but I will certainly concede that it's not entirely wise to bet against a healthy Curry/Butler/Green trio when the game is on the line.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#847 » by Fierce1 » Thu Oct 2, 2025 11:19 pm

A healthy Curry, Butler, and Green is a long shot.

Last season Steph only played 1 game in the west semis because he got injured.

Players 35 or older are very prone to injury.
That's just how the human body works.

The talent and ability of the Warriors are not in question.
Not being able to play because of injury is what will happen to the old guys of GSW.

It already happened last season.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#848 » by Shak_Celts » Yesterday 2:48 am

Fierce1 wrote:A healthy Curry, Butler, and Green is a long shot.

Last season Steph only played 1 game in the west semis because he got injured.

Players 35 or older are very prone to injury.
That's just how the human body works.

The talent and ability of the Warriors are not in question.
Not being able to play because of injury is what will happen to the old guys of GSW.

It already happened last season.


I hope every top talent team in the west stays healthy, need someone to knock off the lakers. I’ll be upset if LBJ gets handed another chip. I also want all the teams to beat on each other.

My fantasy is my Wembys sneaking through to play us, and Celtics walk away with 19. :lol:
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#849 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 3:46 am

Shak_Celts wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:A healthy Curry, Butler, and Green is a long shot.

Last season Steph only played 1 game in the west semis because he got injured.

Players 35 or older are very prone to injury.
That's just how the human body works.

The talent and ability of the Warriors are not in question.
Not being able to play because of injury is what will happen to the old guys of GSW.

It already happened last season.


I hope every top talent team in the west stays healthy, need someone to knock off the lakers. I’ll be upset if LBJ gets handed another chip. I also want all the teams to beat on each other.

My fantasy is my Wembys sneaking through to play us, and Celtics walk away with 19. :lol:

LBJ with another chip is fantasy at this point in time.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#850 » by Shak_Celts » Yesterday 4:17 am

Fierce1 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:A healthy Curry, Butler, and Green is a long shot.

Last season Steph only played 1 game in the west semis because he got injured.

Players 35 or older are very prone to injury.
That's just how the human body works.

The talent and ability of the Warriors are not in question.
Not being able to play because of injury is what will happen to the old guys of GSW.

It already happened last season.


I hope every top talent team in the west stays healthy, need someone to knock off the lakers. I’ll be upset if LBJ gets handed another chip. I also want all the teams to beat on each other.

My fantasy is my Wembys sneaking through to play us, and Celtics walk away with 19. :lol:

LBJ with another chip is fantasy at this point in time.


It’s not really fantasy, Luka can carry hard.
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Post#851 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 5:09 am

Shak_Celts wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
I hope every top talent team in the west stays healthy, need someone to knock off the lakers. I’ll be upset if LBJ gets handed another chip. I also want all the teams to beat on each other.

My fantasy is my Wembys sneaking through to play us, and Celtics walk away with 19. :lol:

LBJ with another chip is fantasy at this point in time.


It’s not really fantasy, Luka can carry hard.

Luka can't do it all by himself.

If you also look at the top 3 players of the Lakers, Luka, LBJ, and Reaves, all of them are not good defensively.

Luka is like a traffic cone on defense.

Reaves is a weak 1 on 1 defender.

And LBJ has slowed down over the years.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#852 » by Green89 » 21 minutes ago

Hal14 wrote:
Dogen wrote:As it stands, well, he went for the money, the extra year, the weather... whatever. It's kinda sad, but I see why he did it. L like GS just fine, lived there for years and it's a good org. And that's a vet team on last hurrah. I just don't really see it for Horford. Maybe they'll squeeze one more year out of him but I doubt they do much in the playoffs, and Al could have retired here and moved right into another role with the C's, keeping his family at the home where they already have everything.

Sure, Al could have done that. But he's a competitor. He wants to compete for a championship. GS is going for it. They know this might be their last chance to win a title with Steph. They're putting all of their chips in. They have their core back and they added Butler at the deadline.

Boston meanwhile just traded 2 of its best players and cut more payroll in 1 offseason than basically any team in NBA history. And our best player has a torn achilles.

GS is competing for a championship this season. We're not.

Even though they might not do much in the playoffs, the fact is Steph, Draymond and Kerr have won 4 titles together. Last year they went out in the 2nd round. But Steph only played in 1 of the 5 games vs Minnesota. And Butler was still getting used to playing with them.

This season a Big 3 of Steph, Draymond and Butler is about as good as any Big 3 in the league.

Pretty much the only teams who had interest in Al this offseason were GS, Denver, BOS and MIL. Milwaukee got Turner so if he went there he'd be a backup and if he went to Denver he'd be a backup. Seemed like Milwaukee's interest went away after they got Turner and Denver got Valanciunas instead - perhaps because they knew he was gonna go to GS since he could start there, rather than just being Jokic's backup in Denver.

GS was the only team that a) wanted him b) is competing for a championship and c) he'd get a starting spot

Plus GS is able to pay him more $ than Boston..again, the better weather is just icing on the cake.

Sure, it's a bummer that he has to move his family with 5 kids across the country but clearly the most important thing to him is competing for a championship. So he doesn't mind moving.

As for moving into another role with the Cs, he probably isn't even weighing that at all right now. He said in his presser the other day that retirement was not even a consideration for him this summer. So he's probably not thinking about what role he may or may not have somewhere after he retires. Plus he could move into a role with the C's, regardless of whether he plays this season in GS. Clearly, based on what Brad and Joe have said about Al over the past few days, they both still (even after he leaving for GS) think VERY highly of him.

We also don't know what Al might want to do after he retires. For all we know, he wants to get into broadcasting. Or he wants to just take it easy and coach his son's youth basketball team, who knows.


Wasn't one of the reasons why Al left us originally for the Soxers because he didn't want to play with Kyrie? Well, Draymond is even worse. :lol:

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