Preseason Game and PG Thread!!!!!!!!!!!-Knicks Vs 76ers 12pm Est

[Capn'O]

They really went out and got the guy most unlike Thibs possible.

[thebuzzardman]

Bro i had no idea we played today. How did the offensive system look? I see that Mitch and Karl started?

The pace was much faster than last yr which isnt saying much but it’s hard to tell how effective it’s gonna be after their first game together. Main points I noticed is that of course everybody was rusty outside of Deuce & Mathew’s. Duece definitely took a leap in the right direction. His handle is much more tight & the shot still looks good. Matthew’s is a legit sniper and it looks like he’s gonna make the team. Clarkson is a chuck and Yabu is an even slower foot defender than Kat. I’ll give it another game or 2 before we can see what their true identity will be.

Yabu runs like he's carrying 40 lbs in his ass and then you realize he is.

[mpharris36]

mitch played great

guys here are just fans of their own opinion more than the knicks. sad.

Mitch did play great. It has less to do with Mitch because his impact will be the same no matter where he plays because he's just an impactful player.

The starting group still look disjointed as a whole to start and the offense looked clunky. I think we had 10 pts with 5 minutes to go in the 1st qtr. After that point I don't think we ran much double big and the offense started opening up.

it didn't go perfectly for the 1st 5 minutes so lets change it all lol. brunson was 2-8 playing in this new offense so we should probably bench him too or fire mike brown if we're making decisions this quick.

p.s. we were starting a guy who won't even be in the rotation

You think I'm basing this opinion solely off the first 7 minutes of the game....I've been saying this ever since teams started putting a wing on KAT. We now aren't even forcing a teams hand we are now gifting the opposition the ability to take our most efficient offense option out of the game. For him into spot up shooting and post ups.

And yes we were missing OG...still the point remains since OG isnt a shot creator.

Basically your saying I'm not really interested in getting up 3's...because that is what the double big lineup suppresses. And you would rather add the rim protection and offensive rebounding (which I understand that POV). I would rather enhance our advantage and make teams play to our style (similar to how Indy) who might not be the most talented but makes teams play to there style. Then say hey KAT isn't a good defender at the 5 lets try to mask that by putting Mitch with the starters.

I would rather add the POA defender...moves Mikal off ball which he is a more impactful defender...and then make teams have to guard a true 5 out.

Mitch is still playing 20-25 minutes a game...as a starter or as a bench player. His role/impact isn't changing. Its more the fit and how we want to play fast and shoot more 3's.

[mpharris36]

also just trying to add things up. I don't see how Brogdon cracks the rotation if you have Deuce and Clarkson off the bench. Not sure where those minutes are coming from. And then Hart is off the bench too. So you have a bunch of small guys off the bench along with Yabu. Its not great balance.

[god shammgod]

Mitch did play great. It has less to do with Mitch because his impact will be the same no matter where he plays because he's just an impactful player.

The starting group still look disjointed as a whole to start and the offense looked clunky. I think we had 10 pts with 5 minutes to go in the 1st qtr. After that point I don't think we ran much double big and the offense started opening up.

it didn't go perfectly for the 1st 5 minutes so lets change it all lol. brunson was 2-8 playing in this new offense so we should probably bench him too or fire mike brown if we're making decisions this quick.

p.s. we were starting a guy who won't even be in the rotation

You think I'm basing this opinion solely off the first 7 minutes of the game....I've been saying this ever since teams started putting a wing on KAT. We now aren't even forcing a teams hand we are now gifting the opposition the ability to take our most efficient offense option out of the game. For him into spot up shooting and post ups.

And yes we were missing OG...still the point remains since OG is a shot creator.

Basically your saying I'm not really interested in getting up 3's...because that is what the double big lineup suppresses. And you would rather add the rim protection and offensive rebounding (which I understand that POV). I would rather enhance our advantage and make teams play to our style (similar to how Indy) who might not be the most talented but makes teams play to there style. Then say hey KAT isn't a good defender at the 5 lets try to mask that by putting Mitch with the starters.

I would rather add the POA defender...moves Mikal off ball which he is a more impactful defender...and then make teams have to guard a true 5 out.

Mitch is still playing 20-25 minutes a game...as a starter or as a bench player. His role/impact isn't changing. Its more the fit and how we want to play fast and shoot more 3's.

yes, i'm saying that improving the defense at the rim is more important. the same thing that the timberwolves decided. it's not worth trying to fit everything around maximizing kat. that doesn't lead anywhere.

in the series vs the pacers we won the games we played good defensively and lost the one we didn't. that was the series. it wasn't lost on offense.

[spree8]

it didn't go perfectly for the 1st 5 minutes so lets change it all lol. brunson was 2-8 playing in this new offense so we should probably bench him too or fire mike brown if we're making decisions this quick.

p.s. we were starting a guy who won't even be in the rotation

You think I'm basing this opinion solely off the first 7 minutes of the game....I've been saying this ever since teams started putting a wing on KAT. We now aren't even forcing a teams hand we are now gifting the opposition the ability to take our most efficient offense option out of the game. For him into spot up shooting and post ups.

And yes we were missing OG...still the point remains since OG is a shot creator.

Basically your saying I'm not really interested in getting up 3's...because that is what the double big lineup suppresses. And you would rather add the rim protection and offensive rebounding (which I understand that POV). I would rather enhance our advantage and make teams play to our style (similar to how Indy) who might not be the most talented but makes teams play to there style. Then say hey KAT isn't a good defender at the 5 lets try to mask that by putting Mitch with the starters.

I would rather add the POA defender...moves Mikal off ball which he is a more impactful defender...and then make teams have to guard a true 5 out.

Mitch is still playing 20-25 minutes a game...as a starter or as a bench player. His role/impact isn't changing. Its more the fit and how we want to play fast and shoot more 3's.

yes, i'm saying that improving the defense at the rim is more important. the same thing that the timberwolves decided. it's not worth trying to fit everything around maximizing kat. that doesn't lead anywhere.

in the series vs the pacers we won the games we played good defensively and lost the one we didn't. that was the series. it wasn't lost on offense.

What? We lost the pacers series after your boy Thibs cost us game 1 with his genius defensive strategy that allowed Nesmith a ton of wide open 3’s. The team was demoralized and gassed (ask Hart who confessed he had nothing left) and by a miracle was able to muster up enough heart for two wins.

The wolves didn’t have the same personnel we have. That’s a false equivalency.

It’s not just about maximizing KAT. It’s about maximizing him, Jalen, Mikal and the team as a whole. How many times does this have to be explained?

[Fat]

Hot takes:
Deuce should be the #1 option

Brunson should be the secondary scorer

Towns should be playing a Chris Bosh type role

Josh hart as a point guard in a 5 out offense might be underrated

Clarkson is the new Payne

Mitchell Robinson 16 rebounds the most important player on the team by far

Malcolm brodgon will be a starter soon enough

Mikal bridges off the bench is key to a championship

[DaGawd]

also just trying to add things up. I don't see how Brogdon cracks the rotation if you have Deuce and Clarkson off the bench. Not sure where those minutes are coming from. And then Hart is off the bench too. So you have a bunch of small guys off the bench along with Yabu. Its not great balance.

somebody getting traded fo sho

[mpharris36]

it didn't go perfectly for the 1st 5 minutes so lets change it all lol. brunson was 2-8 playing in this new offense so we should probably bench him too or fire mike brown if we're making decisions this quick.

p.s. we were starting a guy who won't even be in the rotation

You think I'm basing this opinion solely off the first 7 minutes of the game....I've been saying this ever since teams started putting a wing on KAT. We now aren't even forcing a teams hand we are now gifting the opposition the ability to take our most efficient offense option out of the game. For him into spot up shooting and post ups.

And yes we were missing OG...still the point remains since OG is a shot creator.

Basically your saying I'm not really interested in getting up 3's...because that is what the double big lineup suppresses. And you would rather add the rim protection and offensive rebounding (which I understand that POV). I would rather enhance our advantage and make teams play to our style (similar to how Indy) who might not be the most talented but makes teams play to there style. Then say hey KAT isn't a good defender at the 5 lets try to mask that by putting Mitch with the starters.

I would rather add the POA defender...moves Mikal off ball which he is a more impactful defender...and then make teams have to guard a true 5 out.

Mitch is still playing 20-25 minutes a game...as a starter or as a bench player. His role/impact isn't changing. Its more the fit and how we want to play fast and shoot more 3's.

yes, i'm saying that improving the defense at the rim is more important. the same thing that the timberwolves decided. it's not worth trying to fit everything around maximizing kat. that doesn't lead anywhere.

in the series vs the pacers we won the games we played good defensively and lost the one we didn't. that was the series. it wasn't lost on offense.

I'm not sold that Mitch makes us that much better defensively then adding a POA defender in Deuce and moving Mikal to a wing defender role. Basically with playing Mikal at the 2...which starting Mitch does. He now has to guard small quick offensive point guards. That isn't his best role. He is now back to navigating all the screens on defense...it just doesn't make sense to me.

So while it maximizes KAT on offense (when we were in the running for one of the most efficient offensive teams in basketball history). It also adds a key part to the defense with adding a POA defender in Deuce.



5 out of our 6 best 2-man lineups in the playoffs featured deuce (for lineups above 50 minutes together). And it wasn't because the offensive NET rating was great it was because having our best POA defender in the game is also crucial to our success. Brunson and McBride just work together. So no its not just a KAT thing.

[god shammgod]

You think I'm basing this opinion solely off the first 7 minutes of the game....I've been saying this ever since teams started putting a wing on KAT. We now aren't even forcing a teams hand we are now gifting the opposition the ability to take our most efficient offense option out of the game. For him into spot up shooting and post ups.

And yes we were missing OG...still the point remains since OG is a shot creator.

Basically your saying I'm not really interested in getting up 3's...because that is what the double big lineup suppresses. And you would rather add the rim protection and offensive rebounding (which I understand that POV). I would rather enhance our advantage and make teams play to our style (similar to how Indy) who might not be the most talented but makes teams play to there style. Then say hey KAT isn't a good defender at the 5 lets try to mask that by putting Mitch with the starters.

I would rather add the POA defender...moves Mikal off ball which he is a more impactful defender...and then make teams have to guard a true 5 out.

Mitch is still playing 20-25 minutes a game...as a starter or as a bench player. His role/impact isn't changing. Its more the fit and how we want to play fast and shoot more 3's.

yes, i'm saying that improving the defense at the rim is more important. the same thing that the timberwolves decided. it's not worth trying to fit everything around maximizing kat. that doesn't lead anywhere.

in the series vs the pacers we won the games we played good defensively and lost the one we didn't. that was the series. it wasn't lost on offense.

What? We lost the pacers series after your boy Thibs cost us game 1 with his genius defensive strategy that allowed Nesmith a ton of wide open 3’s. The team was demoralized and gassed (ask Hart who confessed he had nothing left) and by a miracle was able to muster up enough heart for two wins.

The wolves didn’t have the same personnel we have. That’s a false equivalency.

It’s not just about maximizing KAT. It’s about maximizing him, Jalen, Mikal and the team as a whole. How many times does this have to be explained?

the wolves had better defenders starting with kat and still did it

you should start a fire mike brown thread because he's the one that decided this

[mpharris36]

also just trying to add things up. I don't see how Brogdon cracks the rotation if you have Deuce and Clarkson off the bench. Not sure where those minutes are coming from. And then Hart is off the bench too. So you have a bunch of small guys off the bench along with Yabu. Its not great balance.

somebody getting traded fo sho

its not just about trading....yes you can easily trade dadiet or move Kolek to free up a roster spot. Brogdon was told apparently that he's going to play. So what 10 man lineups play Brogdon off the bench if Deuce and Clarkson are already coming off the bench?

[DaGawd]

if mitch was a better passer/had better hands the towns mitch pairing would look better

[god shammgod]

if mitch was a better passer/had better hands the towns mitch pairing would look better

did you know that nobody passed less out of drives than kat last year in the league. true story.

[Capn'O]

if mitch was a better passer/had better hands the towns mitch pairing would look better

did you know that nobody passed less out of drives than kat last year in the league. true story.

That kinda checks. The eye test told me he's a really good stationary passer but he doesn't pass in motion aside from occasionally out of post ups.

[Jonathan2347]

Ok, Matthew's is lights out. We need that on the bench. No hesitation shooter. How can we keep him? Need him on the bench never know when you need that guy and he shows he can handle the rock too.

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[thebuzzardman]

if mitch was a better passer/had better hands the towns mitch pairing would look better

Mitch has the worst hands of any center in the NBA*






*Once Nerlens Noel retired

[Capn'O]

if mitch was a better passer/had better hands the towns mitch pairing would look better

Mitch has the worst hands of any center in the NBA*






*Once Nerlens Noel retired

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[spree8]

yes, i'm saying that improving the defense at the rim is more important. the same thing that the timberwolves decided. it's not worth trying to fit everything around maximizing kat. that doesn't lead anywhere.

in the series vs the pacers we won the games we played good defensively and lost the one we didn't. that was the series. it wasn't lost on offense.

What? We lost the pacers series after your boy Thibs cost us game 1 with his genius defensive strategy that allowed Nesmith a ton of wide open 3’s. The team was demoralized and gassed (ask Hart who confessed he had nothing left) and by a miracle was able to muster up enough heart for two wins.

The wolves didn’t have the same personnel we have. That’s a false equivalency.

It’s not just about maximizing KAT. It’s about maximizing him, Jalen, Mikal and the team as a whole. How many times does this have to be explained?

the wolves had better defenders starting with kat and still did it

you should start a fire mike brown thread because he's the one that decided this

lol What are you talking about?

Before they traded for Gobert in 2022 they trotted out: D’Lo, AntMan, Jaden (then Pat Bev), Vando, KAT…

D’Lo: 34% from 3
AntMan: 35%
Jaden: 31% / Pat Bev: 34%
Vando: 14%

That’s not how you play 5 out. Again, apples to oranges.

Nothing has been “decided” yet… it’s preseason.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s preseason not opening night

Also, can you honestly say in front of everyone here, that we look better with him starting?

My bet still stands for opening night


I also didn’t watch the game

Told you your dollar store bet makes no sense… I upped the ante to make it legitimate, but you ran for the hills.


How you not watch the game n then talk trash bro lol

You didn’t up no ante mf


And my approach is impeccable!

[G_K_F]

Ok, Matthew's is lights out. We need that on the bench. No hesitation shooter. How can we keep him? Need him on the bench never know when you need that guy and he shows he can handle the rock too.

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Matthews is a guy I would keep over Shamet any day.

The question is do you trade Dadiet or Kolek to do so.