Training Camp Thread / Media Day

[mihaic]

Spending years of trying to develop PG Scottie when we needed PF Scottie working on his mid range/low post game was a disaster. It was always obvious where Scottie needed to play to be a dominant player except for this delusional franchise.

Let's hope we less 3 point chucking and more going to the rim domination.

Scottie chose a college team intending to play him off the bench so he could play the point. He's obsessed with it. I don't know how much you can fault the team for that.

In this case I think it's like saying everyone was wrong. There's no spot on the court he can dominate offensively. And he has never dominated offensively leading up to the NBA. He can get better and minimize the areas/shot attempts where he hurts the team.

Masai wanted a Giannis. It never worked out here. Doesn't mean that Scottie developing a lot of different skills was a bad idea. It just makes him way more versatile and difficult to gameplan (and difficult to build around).

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

[mtcan]

Scottie chose a college team intending to play him off the bench so he could play the point. He's obsessed with it. I don't know how much you can fault the team for that.

In this case I think it's like saying everyone was wrong. There's no spot on the court he can dominate offensively. And he has never dominated offensively leading up to the NBA. He can get better and minimize the areas/shot attempts where he hurts the team.

Masai wanted a Giannis. It never worked out here. Doesn't mean that Scottie developing a lot of different skills was a bad idea. It just makes him way more versatile and difficult to gameplan (and difficult to build around).

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

Scottie has a problem against longer and stronger front courts. He always struggles against Cleveland and the duo of Mobley and Allen.

[NBA Sheady]

I'm still semi-cringing about Darko's comment that BI unlocks what Scotty does really well: screen, roll and be in the dunker spot.

[TakeYourHeart]

I'm still semi-cringing about Darko's comment that BI unlocks what Scotty does really well: screen, roll and be in the dunker spot.

That's music to my ears lol what's cringy about that?

[DreamTeam09]

Scottie chose a college team intending to play him off the bench so he could play the point. He's obsessed with it. I don't know how much you can fault the team for that.

In this case I think it's like saying everyone was wrong. There's no spot on the court he can dominate offensively. And he has never dominated offensively leading up to the NBA. He can get better and minimize the areas/shot attempts where he hurts the team.

Masai wanted a Giannis. It never worked out here. Doesn't mean that Scottie developing a lot of different skills was a bad idea. It just makes him way more versatile and difficult to gameplan (and difficult to build around).

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

There's not many "strong" guys who's mobile enough to stay in front of Scottie, even if you don't believe he has blow by ability.

[MEDIC]

Spending years of trying to develop PG Scottie when we needed PF Scottie working on his mid range/low post game was a disaster. It was always obvious where Scottie needed to play to be a dominant player except for this delusional franchise.

Let's hope we less 3 point chucking and more going to the rim domination.

That's why I have always said they should model his offensive game after KG. He needs to operate from those spaces.

Its obvious he will never be a BI type scorer.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Spending years of trying to develop PG Scottie when we needed PF Scottie working on his mid range/low post game was a disaster. It was always obvious where Scottie needed to play to be a dominant player except for this delusional franchise.

Let's hope we less 3 point chucking and more going to the rim domination.

That's why I have always said they should model his offensive game after KG. He needs to operate from those spaces.

Its obvious he will never be a BI type scorer.

KG was 7 feet tall. There's only so much damage you can do at that size under the basket, unless you have Zion hambones and hops. Whatever Scottie is now is better than what he was when he entered the league. At this stage it's about finding complimentary places for the team to succeed.

[links135]

Scottie chose a college team intending to play him off the bench so he could play the point. He's obsessed with it. I don't know how much you can fault the team for that.

In this case I think it's like saying everyone was wrong. There's no spot on the court he can dominate offensively. And he has never dominated offensively leading up to the NBA. He can get better and minimize the areas/shot attempts where he hurts the team.

Masai wanted a Giannis. It never worked out here. Doesn't mean that Scottie developing a lot of different skills was a bad idea. It just makes him way more versatile and difficult to gameplan (and difficult to build around).

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

It's why one of the best things about Ingram is just Scottie setting a screen for him, who can pull up from anywhere, now that big strong guy is off of Scottie.

One big reason the offence would often breaking down is basically teams would want Scottie to shoot from deep or have Dick drive, which would stop ball movement. You're basically replacing Dick with Ingram.

[MEDIC]

Spending years of trying to develop PG Scottie when we needed PF Scottie working on his mid range/low post game was a disaster. It was always obvious where Scottie needed to play to be a dominant player except for this delusional franchise.

Let's hope we less 3 point chucking and more going to the rim domination.

That's why I have always said they should model his offensive game after KG. He needs to operate from those spaces.

Its obvious he will never be a BI type scorer.

KG was 7 feet tall. There's only so much damage you can do at that size under the basket, unless you have Zion hambones and hops. Whatever Scottie is now is better than what he was when he entered the league. At this stage it's about finding complimentary places for the team to succeed.

Scottie has shown the ability to get his shot off over taller defenders.

Either way. I agree with your last sentence. Utilize his strengths. Find players that compliment. He is what he is.

[NBA Sheady]

I'm still semi-cringing about Darko's comment that BI unlocks what Scotty does really well: screen, roll and be in the dunker spot.

That's music to my ears lol what's cringy about that?

IMO it means he's a severely limited offensive player and is extremely overpaid.

[DreamTeam09]

Spending years of trying to develop PG Scottie when we needed PF Scottie working on his mid range/low post game was a disaster. It was always obvious where Scottie needed to play to be a dominant player except for this delusional franchise.

Let's hope we less 3 point chucking and more going to the rim domination.

That's why I have always said they should model his offensive game after KG. He needs to operate from those spaces.

Its obvious he will never be a BI type scorer.

do you believe that's what the Raptors organization ever wanted ? I personally don't believe they ever gave that indication, which is why we traded for BI

[WuTang_CMB]

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[mihaic]

In this case I think it's like saying everyone was wrong. There's no spot on the court he can dominate offensively. And he has never dominated offensively leading up to the NBA. He can get better and minimize the areas/shot attempts where he hurts the team.

Masai wanted a Giannis. It never worked out here. Doesn't mean that Scottie developing a lot of different skills was a bad idea. It just makes him way more versatile and difficult to gameplan (and difficult to build around).

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

There's not many "strong" guys who's mobile enough to stay in front of Scottie, even if you don't believe he has blow by ability.

I don't believe he has blow by ability, you believe he does?

If what you say were true, that not many guys can stop Scottie, he should have had plenty of games where he scored 30+. Not the case.

He mostly scores on mismatches.

My hope is like Darko's. I hope BI presence can create more mismatches for Scottie after pnr. For example they are not likely go under on BI so Scotties guy might switch to BI if the pick is good. At that point Scottie can bully the other defender .

[C_Money]

Ja’Kobe Walter possibly 3rd string SG then. Interesting

[WuTang_CMB]

Every year u have an idea of who will be in rotation and it always changes. I can understand darko going with that unit. It makes sense and looks balanced.

[mihaic]

Ja’Kobe Walter possibly 3rd string SG then. Interesting

Something will happen for sure. If not early, for sure before trade deadline in February. Perhaps RJ, perhaps Jakobe, perhaps Ochai, perhaps Dick.

[HiJiNX]

In this case I think it's like saying everyone was wrong. There's no spot on the court he can dominate offensively. And he has never dominated offensively leading up to the NBA. He can get better and minimize the areas/shot attempts where he hurts the team.

Masai wanted a Giannis. It never worked out here. Doesn't mean that Scottie developing a lot of different skills was a bad idea. It just makes him way more versatile and difficult to gameplan (and difficult to build around).

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

Scottie has a problem against longer and stronger front courts. He always struggles against Cleveland and the duo of Mobley and Allen.

I mean, who doesn’t?

[Thaddy]

Ja’Kobe Walter possibly 3rd string SG then. Interesting

Something will happen for sure. If not early, for sure before trade deadline in February. Perhaps RJ, perhaps Jakobe, perhaps Ochai, perhaps Dick.

This should be gradey until he's neutral on defense and isn't targeted. Darko said he'd reward defense and he hasn't right off the bench. That's pretty stupid. I can see this being his last season here.

[DreamTeam09]

If by that you mean the opponents have difficulty to plan their game against Scottie, I disagree (but I agree with everything else in your post).

With Scottie, he is neither fast nor a shooter. Put a strong guy in front of Scottie who can give him space to take jumpers. I am obviously not a coach, but I think this generally works against Scottie.

There's not many "strong" guys who's mobile enough to stay in front of Scottie, even if you don't believe he has blow by ability.

I don't believe he has blow by ability, you believe he does?

If what you say were true, that not many guys can stop Scottie, he should have had plenty of games where he scored 30+. Not the case.

He mostly scores on mismatches.

My hope is like Darko's. I hope BI presence can create more mismatches for Scottie after pnr. For example they are not likely go under on BI so Scotties guy might switch to BI if the pick is good. At that point Scottie can bully the other defender .

No I don't think he has the quickest first step out there, but he's far from slow footed

yes he mostly scores on mismatches but again, the far majority of players don't match up well with Scottie. Not a lot of PFs are gonna keep up with Scottie and not a lot of SFs are gonna be strong enough to match up with Scottie either.

I also disagree that just because he is a matchup threat automatically means he's gonna be a scorer or a 30pt scorer routinely like you assumed. Especially in a developmental year, Scottie was clearly trying to develop & add new wrinkles to his game last year

[HangTime]

Ja’Kobe Walter possibly 3rd string SG then. Interesting

Something will happen for sure. If not early, for sure before trade deadline in February. Perhaps RJ, perhaps Jakobe, perhaps Ochai, perhaps Dick.

This should be gradey until he's neutral on defense and isn't targeted. Darko said he'd reward defense and he hasn't right off the bench. That's pretty stupid. I can see this being his last season here.

I see this way more in favor of Ja'Kobe, He's like the WIldcard.
that is they want to stress test him as a "lead guy", with the 3rd group. Give him those more intense on-ball reps, and help out on defense, conserving some energy. - 70 offense, 30 defense energy level

look at this way,

The starters are figuring out their chemistry, but they are a high level.
The 2nd unit, has a lot of cohesion, with Mamu's spacing spacing.


When he plays with the 2nd unit (For Gradey, or Ochai) he's blending in, tilting more offense . 55 offense 45 defnese energy level

Then when he joins the 1st unit (for RJ), he defending the lead ball handler, and being connective on offence. 30 offense 70 defense energy level

There's no way he's on the trade block, with such a small salary.