OKC POR GSW (later in the year) Kuminga/Grant/R.Williams/Dieng

[longfellow44]

The Warriors obviously do, otherwise they wouldn’t have offered him a contract. And “an expiring contract” would be far more valuable than what they’re getting here.

Oh, and Kuminga’s contract has a team option for next year, so his worst-case scenario, he is an expiring contract.

I only value him as an expiring.

Opinions vary.

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

[JRoy]

Oh, and Kuminga’s contract has a team option for next year, so his worst-case scenario, he is an expiring contract.

I only value him as an expiring.

Opinions vary.

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

[Nate the Great]

I only value him as an expiring.

Opinions vary.

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

Kuminga’s FG% last year was .454. Grant’s was .373.

Kuminga averaged 4.6 rebounds last season. Grant averaged 3.5, playing more minutes a game.

Kuminga averaged slightly more assists, despite, again, playing fewer minutes a game.

Defensively, they’re both inconsistent. Kuminga is younger, and more likely to figure it out.

Most significantly (and you seem to be going wildly out of your way to ignore this), Kuminga is owed only $22.5 million, if his team declines the second year. Grant is owed $102.6 million over three years.

Grant is a better 3-point shooter, I guess, although Kuminga was showing growth as a catch-and-shoot perimeter shooter last season. But if you think this is a good deal for the Warriors, well, I don’t know what to tell you. You’re just wrong.

[JRoy]

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

Kuminga’s FG% last year was .454. Grant’s was .373.

Kuminga averaged 4.6 rebounds last season. Grant averaged 3.5, playing more minutes a game.

Kuminga averaged slightly more assists, despite, again, playing fewer minutes a game.

Defensively, they’re both inconsistent. Kuminga is younger, and more likely to figure it out.

Most significantly (and you seem to be going wildly out of your way to ignore this), Kuminga is owed only $22.5 million, if his team declines the second year. Grant is owed $102.6 million over three years.

Grant is a better 3-point shooter, I guess, although Kuminga was showing growth as a catch-and-shoot perimeter shooter last season. But if you think this is a good deal for the Warriors, well, I don’t know what to tell you. You’re just wrong.

I have stated at least twice that Grant is wildly overpaid. He is not worth his contract and in all likelihood never will be.

It is amusing that you compare last year only, the worst year Grant has had in ages.

[gswhoops]

I only value him as an expiring.

Opinions vary.

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

Kuminga scored more points in 8 fewer minutes per game on higher efficiency, so that's one thing.

[JRoy]

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

Kuminga scored more points in 8 fewer minutes per game on higher efficiency, so that's one thing.

Last year? Grants worst year in ages?

[gswhoops]

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

Kuminga scored more points in 8 fewer minutes per game on higher efficiency, so that's one thing.

Last year? Grants worst year in ages?

Are we just supposed to pretend like last year didn’t happen? He’s 31, it’s more reasonable to expect that he’s started to decline than that last year was an aberration and he’s just gonna to back to the way he was 2-3 years ago

[JRoy]

Kuminga scored more points in 8 fewer minutes per game on higher efficiency, so that's one thing.

Last year? Grants worst year in ages?

Are we just supposed to pretend like last year didn’t happen? He’s 31, it’s more reasonable to expect that he’s started to decline than that last year was an aberration and he’s just gonna to back to the way he was 2-3 years ago

Fair enough.

Are we going to pretend that is the new normal or that his body of work over the last couple years is a more realistic baseline?

[Myth]

Oh, and Kuminga’s contract has a team option for next year, so his worst-case scenario, he is an expiring contract.

I only value him as an expiring.

Opinions vary.

Grant has one of the worst contracts in the NBA, it was a bad contract the moment it was offered. If kuminga was only an expiring it would cost a minimum of 1 st to dump grant, but kuminga is an upgrade on a better per year number and would likely cost a.2nd first to turn grant into kuminga.

Totally agree on the value difference given the contracts. Portland shouldn’t pay 2 1sts to make that swap, but that is what it would cost if they were going to.

[Nate the Great]

What exactly does Kuminga do better than Grant?

Shoot? No

Defend? No

Rebound? lol, but barely.

He’s young and the hope is that he can improve. And he’s cheaper.

That’s it.

*** edit***

My almost compulsive impulse to argue has caused me to defend Jerami Grant. I am not a JG fan or apologist. Apologies.

Kuminga’s FG% last year was .454. Grant’s was .373.

Kuminga averaged 4.6 rebounds last season. Grant averaged 3.5, playing more minutes a game.

Kuminga averaged slightly more assists, despite, again, playing fewer minutes a game.

Defensively, they’re both inconsistent. Kuminga is younger, and more likely to figure it out.

Most significantly (and you seem to be going wildly out of your way to ignore this), Kuminga is owed only $22.5 million, if his team declines the second year. Grant is owed $102.6 million over three years.

Grant is a better 3-point shooter, I guess, although Kuminga was showing growth as a catch-and-shoot perimeter shooter last season. But if you think this is a good deal for the Warriors, well, I don’t know what to tell you. You’re just wrong.

I have stated at least twice that Grant is wildly overpaid. He is not worth his contract and in all likelihood never will be.

It is amusing that you compare last year only, the worst year Grant has had in ages.

If he’s wildly overpaid, but you wouldn’t trade him for an expiring contract costing less next year, and less than a quarter of his contract in all, then he must be incredibly valuable. In that case, I wouldn’t deny him from you. Enjoy the greatness that is Jerami Grant.

[JRoy]

Kuminga’s FG% last year was .454. Grant’s was .373.

Kuminga averaged 4.6 rebounds last season. Grant averaged 3.5, playing more minutes a game.

Kuminga averaged slightly more assists, despite, again, playing fewer minutes a game.

Defensively, they’re both inconsistent. Kuminga is younger, and more likely to figure it out.

Most significantly (and you seem to be going wildly out of your way to ignore this), Kuminga is owed only $22.5 million, if his team declines the second year. Grant is owed $102.6 million over three years.

Grant is a better 3-point shooter, I guess, although Kuminga was showing growth as a catch-and-shoot perimeter shooter last season. But if you think this is a good deal for the Warriors, well, I don’t know what to tell you. You’re just wrong.

I have stated at least twice that Grant is wildly overpaid. He is not worth his contract and in all likelihood never will be.

It is amusing that you compare last year only, the worst year Grant has had in ages.

If he’s wildly overpaid, but you wouldn’t trade him for an expiring contract costing less next year, and less than a quarter of his contract in all, then he must be incredibly valuable. In that case, I wouldn’t deny him from you. Enjoy the greatness that is Jerami Grant.

I didn’t say I wouldn’t move Grant for Kuminga. I wouldn’t include FRP and I wouldn’t want to keep Kuminga. I’d move him elsewhere or decline the team option and let him expire.

[DB23]

Last year? Grants worst year in ages?

Are we just supposed to pretend like last year didn’t happen? He’s 31, it’s more reasonable to expect that he’s started to decline than that last year was an aberration and he’s just gonna to back to the way he was 2-3 years ago

Fair enough.

Are we going to pretend that is the new normal or that his body of work over the last couple years is a more realistic baseline?

There is no incentive for a deal like this to get done. Dubs aren’t taking on worse value without an overpay.

[JRoy]

I don’t blame them.

Grant is a terrible value.