Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Yallbecrazy]

Posted this 3 months ago. After u read this you'll be 100x more hyped about CMB

This post from a Raptors fan who predicted we'd draft CMB got me hyped. Masai has done it again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/s/XI7BROSr8F

That guy sure is smart, but it's kind of hard to take his opinions seriously when he has such an ugly face.

[HumbleRen]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

[TheDunc]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Hes still a kid so im curious to see how his body develops, seems like he has a chance at becoming a better vertical athlete once he gets his body in legit shape. Right now he still seems to have a kids body even if hes stronger then most players already

[tsherkin]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

He’s got the touch, that’s a great start.

The super wide base on his distance shooting is the only thing I’ve seen from him that I came away questioning, but he’s splashing then at a higher rate than I anticipated.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

He didn't seem all that confident in summer league shooting from outside 3 feet. I'm sure the Raptors will have clamps on him in terms of what they'll let him do in the regular season. I doubt we'll get to see what he's capable of as a scorer until year 2.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[HumbleRen]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

Not when you don’t have a jumpshot.

If Scottie had vertical pop, he’d be a much better scorer. It’s only overrated if you have a lot of technical ability.

[wegotthabeet]

Just a matter of time before he’s in the starting lineup.

[Thaddy]

Just a matter of time before he’s in the starting lineup.

Barnes and CMB works great on defense. That would be top 5 in the league. The big difference with them that we didn't have before is the help defense they bring.

I'm hoping we eventually see CMB as a starter instead of Dick, Walter, or Agbaji. It gives us a completely different look.

[lolwut]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

It's probably the most overrated element in basketball, in general, outside of the dunk contest.

[Basketball_Jones]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

Not when you don’t have a jumpshot.

If Scottie had vertical pop, he’d be a much better scorer. It’s only overrated if you have a lot of technical ability.

True, if you’re Zion or Giannis it’s a huge boost. He’s gonna need a jump shot for sure.

[Basketball_Jones]

It’s absurd how strong he is at his age.

I think his vertical limitations will hold him back from being a great scorer but I’m very interested in his driving game.

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

Not when you don’t have a jumpshot.

If Scottie had vertical pop, he’d be a much better scorer. It’s only overrated if you have a lot of technical ability.

True, if you’re Zion or Giannis it’s a huge boost. He’s gonna need a jump shot for sure.

[tsherkin]

He didn't seem all that confident in summer league shooting from outside 3 feet. I'm sure the Raptors will have clamps on him in terms of what they'll let him do in the regular season. I doubt we'll get to see what he's capable of as a scorer until year 2.

I suspect you're correct. He doesn't project as a major scoring threat, and I don't see any real need to force it... because that's exactly what we've been doing with Scottie, and it's been sinfully stupid. Only it'd be worse with Ingram inbound, after all.

Not when you don’t have a jumpshot.

If Scottie had vertical pop, he’d be a much better scorer. It’s only overrated if you have a lot of technical ability.

No, none of that is correct. Vertical isn't nearly as useful as most people seem to believe. You need to get to your spots. Quickness is of CONSIDERABLY more value. And then skill beyond that. Most guys don't really get up much more than 30-36 inches during the course of regular game play. There are diminishing returns on vertical, and it matters only much in some very specific situations. It's literally the most overrated physical tool in the game.

Scottie needs not to be an incompetent boob more than 10 feet from the rim, and he needs a better middle game. He needs a lot more skill. Or he needs more quickness, which obviously isn't going to happen, because you can lean on first step and speed a LOT for a decade or so. But another 6 inches of vert wouldn't really change anything about his game, because his issues center around shooting and actually getting to spots, not vertical clearance compared to defender.

[dballislife]

mid 30s vert is pretty solid, and hes lifting up 240 which makes it even better, a lot of high 30s or more guys weigh 190-220

speed, strength, and vertical measures a persons athleticism...for sure speed agility ranks first, other 2 are a tie to me, he has elite speed and strength for his size which makes up for his good not elite vertical

[HumbleRen]

He didn't seem all that confident in summer league shooting from outside 3 feet. I'm sure the Raptors will have clamps on him in terms of what they'll let him do in the regular season. I doubt we'll get to see what he's capable of as a scorer until year 2.

I suspect you're correct. He doesn't project as a major scoring threat, and I don't see any real need to force it... because that's exactly what we've been doing with Scottie, and it's been sinfully stupid. Only it'd be worse with Ingram inbound, after all.

Not when you don’t have a jumpshot.

If Scottie had vertical pop, he’d be a much better scorer. It’s only overrated if you have a lot of technical ability.

No, none of that is correct. Vertical isn't nearly as useful as most people seem to believe. You need to get to your spots. Quickness is of CONSIDERABLY more value. And then skill beyond that. Most guys don't really get up much more than 30-36 inches during the course of regular game play. There are diminishing returns on vertical, and it matters only much in some very specific situations. It's literally the most overrated physical tool in the game.

Scottie needs not to be an incompetent boob more than 10 feet from the rim, and he needs a better middle game. He needs a lot more skill. Or he needs more quickness, which obviously isn't going to happen, because you can lean on first step and speed a LOT for a decade or so. But another 6 inches of vert wouldn't really change anything about his game, because his issues center around shooting and actually getting to spots, not vertical clearance compared to defender.

Completely disagree lol.

Lebron, MJ, Kobe, etc all had that vertical pop, it helped them paper over their lack of technical ability for their first several years into the league and bought them time to hone their craft and skills so that it was a seamless transition from being a vertical threat to being a crafty offensive player.

Regardless of what you believe, having that explosion/vertical pop helps mask the lack of refinement a player may have in their technical ability.

[HumbleRen]

Vertical is probably the single most overrated element of scoring. We'll have to see what his handle and quickness look like during the season more than anything else.

Not when you don’t have a jumpshot.

If Scottie had vertical pop, he’d be a much better scorer. It’s only overrated if you have a lot of technical ability.

True, if you’re Zion or Giannis it’s a huge boost. He’s gonna need a jump shot for sure.

Yep.

[wegotthabeet]

Just a matter of time before he’s in the starting lineup.

Barnes and CMB works great on defense. That would be top 5 in the league. The big difference with them that we didn't have before is the help defense they bring.

I'm hoping we eventually see CMB as a starter instead of Dick, Walter, or Agbaji. It gives us a completely different look.

They’ll be great next to one another on D. No one should question that. Offensively they will both have to make the leap, but I’m confident they’ll figure it out.

I heard the Raptors had him at number 1 on their 2024 board and may have even drafted him in the top 5 this year too if they had a top 5 pick. They think he’ll be special.

[anotherhomer]

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kinda concerning that scottie barnes handle still looks pretty loose, and according to reports from reddit, his 3-ball still looks bad


If i were the raptors, i look to trade him while we can

[ATLTimekeeper]

CMB is kinda a nightmare match-up for him because not only can't be bullied and he has great hands. Also, Scottie is a vet in the pre-season now. He doesn't need to show anything.