Does this Kobe stance have real merit

[One_and_Done]

It's almost like the SRS of a team isn't always a reliable indicator for how good they are as a team, especially come playoff time. The playoffs are almost a different sport in some ways. Guys who thrived in the RS become unplayable.

It always worked that way when LeBron was beating eastern teams with high srs such as the 60 win Hawks, Bulls, Pacers or Raptors. It just doesn't work like that when it comes to some other players and the teams they beat. Then srs becomes the true strength of any team.

I'm all for using context for every situation. I think those Pacers teams were pretty good, both in the RS and PS. The Raptors or the other hand were a RS paper tiger.

[Cavsfansince84]

I'm all for using context for every situation. I think those Pacers teams were pretty good, both in the RS and PS. The Raptors or the other hand were a RS paper tiger.

They sort of were but my point is that a lot of people pick and choose when srs should matter.

[falcolombardi]

I'm all for using context for every situation. I think those Pacers teams were pretty good, both in the RS and PS. The Raptors or the other hand were a RS paper tiger.

They sort of were but my point is that a lot of people pick and choose when srs should matter.

SRS gerrymandering

[Primedeion]

Good we both agree kobe is better than gasol and is judged in a different standard than him, for a moment i thought you may disagree



But he was there in their 09 and 10 runs was not he? and wether you see him as his team 3rd or 4th best player there is no non-boston team in the league with a better player at that 3rd spot in those seasons and most likely no team with a "4th best player" comparable in 09-10

For a guy who was arguanly not even in their top 3, he was incredibly good of a 4th best player to have (while missing 08 playoffs*)



The best teans they beat were a +5 spurs and +6 utah both of which are very fringe contenders those years. Is beating two good teams more impressive for you than beating a great team?

If that is goat level competition what is lebron beating the 16 warriors? Or okc fscing 73 win warriors and 67 win spurs that same year?

Goat +?, Goatest?

Like the pacers/haliburton in 2025 faced (and lost like kobe too) to a +13 srs team in 7.

what does that make them with this reasoking, they beat a circs +9 srs cavs team and a +5 srs knicks team too btw so technicslly more impressibe than lakers run in 08 by your own reasoning

The 08 Jazz had a 6.86 SRS. That's a clear contender level mark and that was their SECOND round opponent. That is insane.

And LOL @ rounding them down to +6. You aren't slick bruh

If you want to die on the hill of how impressive the deron williams jazz is be my guest i guess?

Yeah, a 6.86 SRS isn't impressive at all. Making the Finals and playing a +6 SRS team ON AVERAGE isn't notable at all.

Great post bro.

[Primedeion]

Good we both agree kobe is better than gasol and is judged in a different standard than him, for a moment i thought you may disagree



But he was there in their 09 and 10 runs was not he? and wether you see him as his team 3rd or 4th best player there is no non-boston team in the league with a better player at that 3rd spot in those seasons and most likely no team with a "4th best player" comparable in 09-10

For a guy who was arguanly not even in their top 3, he was incredibly good of a 4th best player to have (while missing 08 playoffs*)



The best teans they beat were a +5 spurs and +6 utah both of which are very fringe contenders those years. Is beating two good teams more impressive for you than beating a great team?

If that is goat level competition what is lebron beating the 16 warriors? Or okc fscing 73 win warriors and 67 win spurs that same year?

Goat +?, Goatest?

Like the pacers/haliburton in 2025 faced (and lost like kobe too) to a +13 srs team in 7.

what does that make them with this reasoking, they beat a circs +9 srs cavs team and a +5 srs knicks team too btw so technicslly more impressibe than lakers run in 08 by your own reasoning

The 08 Jazz had a 6.86 SRS. That's a clear contender level mark and that was their SECOND round opponent. That is insane.

And LOL @ rounding them down to +6. You aren't slick bruh

But instead of engaging the argument being made, you avoided it by being disingenous about rounded numbers

Your "argument" is nonsense and what was the point of rounding their 6.87 SRS to +6? Nice try tho.

[homecourtloss]

I'm all for using context for every situation. I think those Pacers teams were pretty good, both in the RS and PS. The Raptors or the other hand were a RS paper tiger.

They sort of were but my point is that a lot of people pick and choose when srs should matter.

SRS gerrymandering

I’ve seen a +6.53 team and a +7.29 team and a +4.75 team labeled as “weak competition,” while a +2.75 team labeled obviously really good with the hindsight bias. Some teams’ respective SRSs are contextualized while other teams’ are not.

[One_and_Done]

The point is the 08 Jazz were not that great, regardless of their SRS. It waa a bit of a fluke they made the WCFs once the year before, and in today's West I doubt they even make the playoffs.

[lessthanjake]

The point is the 08 Jazz were not that great, regardless of their SRS. It waa a bit of a fluke they made the WCFs once the year before, and in today's West I doubt they even make the playoffs.

That era’s Jazz do have a lot of the hallmarks of a playoff paper tiger, and I do think their SRS overrates how good they were. That said, I think it’s worth noting that they did actually beat a good team in the playoffs at least once. The 2007 Rockets had McGrady and Yao both playing in the playoffs, and they’d won at a 60-win pace with a +7.04 net rating in games that those guys both played in that year. That was actually a good opponent, and the Jazz did beat them. The Rockets were still probably not more than a dark-horse title contender and the Jazz only beat them in 7 games, but I’d say that that series win was more impressive than the best series win from a lot of history’s biggest playoff paper tigers.

[One_and_Done]

The point is the 08 Jazz were not that great, regardless of their SRS. It waa a bit of a fluke they made the WCFs once the year before, and in today's West I doubt they even make the playoffs.

That era’s Jazz do have a lot of the hallmarks of a playoff paper tiger, and I do think their SRS overrates how good they were. That said, I think it’s worth noting that they did actually beat a good team in the playoffs at least once. The 2007 Rockets had McGrady and Yao both playing in the playoffs, and they’d won at a 60-win pace with a +7.04 net rating in games that those guys both played in that year. That was actually a good opponent, and the Jazz did beat them. The Rockets were still probably not more than a dark-horse title contender and the Jazz only beat them in 7 games, but I’d say that that series win was more impressive than the best series win from a lot of history’s biggest playoff paper tigers.

The 07 Jazz were a little different from the 08 Jazz. That's a minor point though. The bigger point is that even by 07, McGrady had been visibly eroding before our eyes. By the playoffs he was a shadow of his former prime. I just don't know how much you can read into beating such an injury compromised team like the Rockets.