BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[yosemiteben]

Miller can be a star, but we have to trust him with the ball. Right now he's just a shooter. What happened to his mid range game last year?


Lee has to do a better of getting him involved and not just chucking 3's.

I've pointed this out before, but his shot diet changed only by shifting 10% of his midrange shots to 3s.

This narrative that he had a radical change to his shot diet last season doesn't seem to be accurate.

You just said his shot diet changed by 10% from midrange to 3's.

It changed doesn't matter if it's radical or not. It's fine to disagree but you're basically proving my point by noticing the minimal change.

I think you'll have a hard time making the argument that shifting 10% of his shots from long 2s to 3s is a detriment to his game or represents the difference between him having a mid range game vs just chucking threes.

[JustBuzzin]

I hope Lee doesn't ruin this kid. He's been a spot up 3pt shooter for the most part under Lee.

At least Clifford ran some plays for him. Lee is turning him into a role player. We need him to handle the ball more and create. If not this team is going nowhere.

Kon already looks more comfortable with the ball than Miller ever has. That's concerning for his development.

[yosemiteben]

I don't know why you keep repeating this, Brandon's shot profile was not much different under Lee than Clifford. Look like one post up, I just pointed this out to you.

Also, I don't get criticizing Lee for Brandon's lack of development when he only played 27 games last year under Lee and then was out until recently.

[JustBuzzin]

I don't know why you keep repeating this, Brandon's shot profile was not much different under Lee than Clifford. Look like one post up, I just pointed this out to you.

Also, I don't get criticizing Lee for Brandon's lack of development when he only played 27 games last year under Lee and then was out until recently.

I watch games. You're a stats guy.


I'm not the only person noticing this. The system is 3pt heavy. Miller wasn't handling the ball in the little time he played last year. You can downplay it all you want unless Miller takes that next step this team is going nowhere.

Saying that if Kon playmaking skills are legit and I think it will be then I think he's going to be that sidekick for LaMelo moving forward. I'm a big Miller fan, but if he can't handle and create for himself he's not going to develop into the player I thought he would be.

It will be interesting to watch who becomes our secondary playmaker this season. That's the biggest thing im watching this season. We can't just put the entire offense on LaMelo.

[GoBobs]

I don't know why you keep repeating this, Brandon's shot profile was not much different under Lee than Clifford. Look like one post up, I just pointed this out to you.

Also, I don't get criticizing Lee for Brandon's lack of development when he only played 27 games last year under Lee and then was out until recently.

I watch games. You're a stats guy.


I'm not the only person noticing this. The system is 3pt heavy. Miller wasn't handling the ball in the little time he played last year. You can downplay it all you want unless Miller takes that next step this team is going nowhere.

Saying that if Kon playmaking skills are legit and I think it will be then I think he's going to be that sidekick for LaMelo moving forward. I'm a big Miller fan, but if he can't handle and create for himself he's not going to develop into the player I thought he would be.

It will be interesting to watch who becomes our secondary playmaker this season. That's the biggest thing im watching this season. We can't just put the entire offense on LaMelo.

We don't need Brandon Miller trying to dribble vs a set defense. When the ball is swinging and his guy closes out to hard is when he needs to put the ball on the deck.

Running the offense through a mid range jump shooter is not a winning formula.

Miller is going to get his chances. He took 10 shots in 16 min the other night, he just happened to miss most of them including all 5 threes.

[Braggins]

I bet Yosemiteben has never watched a Hornets game in his entire life.

[Liver_Pooty]

I bet Yosemiteben has never watched a Hornets game in his entire life.

lol yea I never liked the I watch the games counterpoint. We all watch the games and suffer.

[yosemiteben]

I don't know why you keep repeating this, Brandon's shot profile was not much different under Lee than Clifford. Look like one post up, I just pointed this out to you.

Also, I don't get criticizing Lee for Brandon's lack of development when he only played 27 games last year under Lee and then was out until recently.

I watch games. You're a stats guy.

You don't know how many games I watch, but I assure you I watch 95% of games we play.

If you want to critique shot diet, you should look up where the shots come from. Saying there's been a massive shift in shot diet when the tracking data says there hasn't means you are wrong.

I'm not the only person noticing this. The system is 3pt heavy. Miller wasn't handling the ball in the little time he played last year.

This is a good example of your eyeballs not telling you what's happening. Brandon Miller was the PNR ball handler on 6 possessions per game last year, which is more than the 5 possessions per game he was the PNR handler the prior year.

For context Melo played that role on 10 possessions per game last year, and 11 possessions per game the prior year. So the number of times Brandon handled the ball in PNR actions actually increased under Lee, while Melo's actually decreased.

You can downplay it all you want unless Miller takes that next step this team is going nowhere.

I'm not downplaying anything, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to say (1) his shot diet massively changed when the tracking data says it hasn't, and (2) Lee is at fault for Miller's perceived lack of development when Miller only played 27 games and then took a 8 month vacation due to injury that he only recently returned from.

[JustBuzzin]

I don't know why you keep repeating this, Brandon's shot profile was not much different under Lee than Clifford. Look like one post up, I just pointed this out to you.

Also, I don't get criticizing Lee for Brandon's lack of development when he only played 27 games last year under Lee and then was out until recently.

I watch games. You're a stats guy.

You don't know how many games I watch, but I assure you I watch 95% of games we play.

If you want to critique shot diet, you should look up where the shots come from. Saying there's been a massive shift in shot diet when the tracking data says there hasn't means you are wrong.

I'm not the only person noticing this. The system is 3pt heavy. Miller wasn't handling the ball in the little time he played last year.

This is a good example of your eyeballs not telling you what's happening. Brandon Miller was the PNR ball handler on 6 possessions per game last year, which is more than the 5 possessions per game he was the PNR handler the prior year.

For context Melo played that role on 10 possessions per game last year, and 11 possessions per game the prior year. So the number of times Brandon handled the ball in PNR actions actually increased under Lee, while Melo's actually decreased.

You can downplay it all you want unless Miller takes that next step this team is going nowhere.

I'm not downplaying anything, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to say (1) his shot diet massively changed when the tracking data says it hasn't, and (2) Lee is at fault for Miller's perceived lack of development when Miller only played 27 games and then took a 8 month vacation due to injury that he only recently returned from.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FnBYKKPcW2s?si=t0Isv2cVAYt1xMEe

I thought I wasn't crazy. I swear I just came across this on my YT feed. Hopefully his explanation will make you understand what I'm trying to say.

[JustBuzzin]

[youtube]https://youtube.com/shorts/FnBYKKPcW2s?si=93HrWE4328SQZ6iX[/youtube]

[JustBuzzin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FnBYKKPcW2s?si=ZyZMYlUQCURARxj1

[fatlever]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FnBYKKPcW2s?si=ZyZMYlUQCURARxj1

And like 5 minutes later in the episode Doug says, It doesn't matter how much you're shooting in the mid range, what matters is how much you're getting to the rim and how much you're getting fouled. Point being, points and percentages won't be consistently better until Miller Is taking more shots at the rim and taking more free throws.

[Bassman]

I think Brandon will need a little time to get completely comfortable in the offense and confident with his wrist. Having said that, his first game he was trying to dribble drive on occasions against bench players. Looked a little better but not ready for prime time. I love his skill set and his potential…just not sure he will ever develop a killer handle to regularly get him to the rim.

[JustBuzzin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FnBYKKPcW2s?si=ZyZMYlUQCURARxj1

And like 5 minutes later in the episode Doug says, It doesn't matter how much you're shooting in the mid range, what matters is how much you're getting to the rim and how much you're getting fouled. Point being, points and percentages won't be consistently better until Miller Is taking more shots at the rim and taking more free throws.

And who's job is to help him with that?

[Liver_Pooty]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FnBYKKPcW2s?si=ZyZMYlUQCURARxj1

And like 5 minutes later in the episode Doug says, It doesn't matter how much you're shooting in the mid range, what matters is how much you're getting to the rim and how much you're getting fouled. Point being, points and percentages won't be consistently better until Miller Is taking more shots at the rim and taking more free throws.

And who's job is to help him with that?

His. Same as Lamelos. Get stronger. Miller could probably not lift much this offseason

Regardless it’s too early for this **** over a preseason game.

[JustBuzzin]

And like 5 minutes later in the episode Doug says, It doesn't matter how much you're shooting in the mid range, what matters is how much you're getting to the rim and how much you're getting fouled. Point being, points and percentages won't be consistently better until Miller Is taking more shots at the rim and taking more free throws.

And who's job is to help him with that?

His. Same as Lamelos. Get stronger. Miller could probably not lift much this offseason

Regardless it’s too early for this **** over a preseason game.

How can he do that when the HC has him camped out at the 3pt line waiting for catch n shoot shots. It's on the HC to also make him improve as a player.

Clifford was actually running plays for him in his rookie season. All I'm asking is to run something for him that makes him uncomfortable. He can't get better if he's just chucking 3's.

Miller and Lee have to meet in the middle together.

[yosemiteben]

And who's job is to help him with that?

His. Same as Lamelos. Get stronger. Miller could probably not lift much this offseason

Regardless it’s too early for this **** over a preseason game.

How can he do that when the HC has him camped out at the 3pt line waiting for catch n shoot shots. It's on the HC to also make him improve as a player.

Clifford was actually running plays for him in his rookie season.

Compared to when he played under Cliff, Brandon attempted 2 more C&S threes per game (5.1 under Cliff, 7.1 under Lee) and 2.4 more pull up threes per game (1.4 under Cliff, 3.8 under Lee). So Miller actually increased his pull up threes under Lee more than his C&S threes.

And like I pointed out before, Miller was put into PNR actions as the handler more under Lee than under Cliff.

Also Brandon had more drives per game under Lee last year (8.0) compared to the year before under Cliff (7.4).

Under Lee and Cliff he also had basically the same number of elbow touches (0.5 under Cliff vs. 0.6 under Lee), paint touches (1.3 under Cliff vs. 1.4 under Lee), and post ups (practically none under either).

You're just wrong.

[JustBuzzin]

His. Same as Lamelos. Get stronger. Miller could probably not lift much this offseason

Regardless it’s too early for this **** over a preseason game.

How can he do that when the HC has him camped out at the 3pt line waiting for catch n shoot shots. It's on the HC to also make him improve as a player.

Clifford was actually running plays for him in his rookie season.

Compared to when he played under Cliff, Brandon attempted 2 more C&S threes per game (5.1 under Cliff, 7.1 under Lee) and 2.4 more pull up threes per game (1.4 under Cliff, 3.8 under Lee). So Miller actually increased his pull up threes under Lee more than his C&S threes.

And like I pointed out before, Miller was put into PNR actions as the handler more under Lee than under Cliff.

Also Brandon had more drives per game under Lee last year (8.0) compared to the year before under Cliff (7.4).

Under Lee and Cliff he also had basically the same number of elbow touches (0.5 under Cliff vs. 0.6 under Lee), paint touches (1.3 under Cliff vs. 1.4 under Lee), and post ups (practically none under either).

You're just wrong.

There is no right or wrong.

This is a opinion based board. You're a mod you should know this sir.

[yosemiteben]

How can he do that when the HC has him camped out at the 3pt line waiting for catch n shoot shots. It's on the HC to also make him improve as a player.

Clifford was actually running plays for him in his rookie season.

Compared to when he played under Cliff, Brandon attempted 2 more C&S threes per game (5.1 under Cliff, 7.1 under Lee) and 2.4 more pull up threes per game (1.4 under Cliff, 3.8 under Lee). So Miller actually increased his pull up threes under Lee more than his C&S threes.

And like I pointed out before, Miller was put into PNR actions as the handler more under Lee than under Cliff.

Also Brandon had more drives per game under Lee last year (8.0) compared to the year before under Cliff (7.4).

Under Lee and Cliff he also had basically the same number of elbow touches (0.5 under Cliff vs. 0.6 under Lee), paint touches (1.3 under Cliff vs. 1.4 under Lee), and post ups (practically none under either).

You're just wrong.

There is no right or wrong.

This is a opinion based board. You're a mod you should know this sir.

When your opinion is about objective facts, then you can be wrong.

Now if you were saying an opinion just about Brandon, then fine knock yourself. But when you say under Lee Brandon handled the ball less and only stood around to take C&S 3s, and that he was much less on ball than under Cliff, that is objectively verifiable. And it's objectively wrong.

That's like saying all opinions about whether or not we won a game are valid and none are right or wrong.

[JustBuzzin]

Fine you win. I was wrong.