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[giberish]

This sounds painful

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testicular torsion pain is similar to childbirth (if thats what he had), so i agree with you..

How many people have felt both to make the comparison???

[SkyHook]

Instantaneous no from the Jazz.

Yeah that sucks for the Jazz.
Shepard seems like he won’t live up to his rookie contract to me.
Would the Jazz have interest in Pritchard for Kessler?
I don’t know that he fits thier goals but that seems closer in a value sense

I like Pritchard, but I wouldn't trade Kessler for him and don't believe the Jazz FO would either. I don't think that it's remotely close in terms of value.

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[ReggiesKnicks]

Giannis finishing his career in New York for the Knicks is certainly going to be polarizing. I would enjoy that.

[Ell Curry]

I wonder if some team with one star and some young talent could pull a 2008 Celtics and get Giannis and another star with him. The Pistons and Grizzlies are unlikely markets, but they both make a ton of sense basketball-wise. Cade + Giannis would be tremendous and Ausar and Ron Holland would be a good start to a deal. For the Grizzlies, Jaren Jackson and Aldama are quality shooting bigs, and if you have four 3pt shooters and Giannis out there and your 3rd best player is better than KPJ, you're probably in business.

[theBigLip]

I wonder if some team with one star and some young talent could pull a 2008 Celtics and get Giannis and another star with him. The Pistons and Grizzlies are unlikely markets, but they both make a ton of sense basketball-wise. Cade + Giannis would be tremendous and Ausar and Ron Holland would be a good start to a deal. For the Grizzlies, Jaren Jackson and Aldama are quality shooting bigs, and if you have four 3pt shooters and Giannis out there and your 3rd best player is better than KPJ, you're probably in business.

Ausar and Holland? That’s not trivial. Pistons are better to not trade for Giannis, unless the Bucks wanted a ton of draft picks. Would probably need to start w Tobias just to get salary matching, as well as Duncan or LaVert. Then 3 picks and a couple of swaps?

[JRoy]

Giannis finishing his career in New York for the Knicks is certainly going to be polarizing. I would enjoy that.

Me too.

[Ell Curry]

I wonder if some team with one star and some young talent could pull a 2008 Celtics and get Giannis and another star with him. The Pistons and Grizzlies are unlikely markets, but they both make a ton of sense basketball-wise. Cade + Giannis would be tremendous and Ausar and Ron Holland would be a good start to a deal. For the Grizzlies, Jaren Jackson and Aldama are quality shooting bigs, and if you have four 3pt shooters and Giannis out there and your 3rd best player is better than KPJ, you're probably in business.

Ausar and Holland? That’s not trivial. Pistons are better to not trade for Giannis, unless the Bucks wanted a ton of draft picks. Would probably need to start w Tobias just to get salary matching, as well as Duncan or LaVert. Then 3 picks and a couple of swaps?

Agreed on the veterans being in the deal, but 3 picks and a swap seems low for Giannis. Typically these types of guys go for like the equivalent of 10 or so 1sts (I wrote a long thing about this I can't find but the big deals seem to come in around there like KD for Bridges + Cam + 4 firsts and later Bridges + Cam went for around 6 picks combined off the top of my head, value-wise), so even if Giannis asks out and has a short list, I think you're still looking at like 3 picks and players worth another 4-5 first rounders in value type assets, so say 2 of Ausar, Ivey, Holland, Duren.

I could definitely see Duren in the deal. Lots of potential, doesn't fit well with Giannis (Beef Stew as a spacing big makes more sense).

The Bucks won a title with 5 guys of note, really: Giannis, Middleton, Jrue, Lopez and Portis. Connaughton and PJ Tucker (at that age, not prime anymore) are gettable guys. Say Duren and Ausar are in the deal with Tobias Harris and Duncan Robinson and 2 firsts and you get back Gary Trent as a cheap rotation option and shooter. Still leaves you : Stewart-Giannis-Cade-Trent-Ivey with Levert as 6th man, Sasser as 4th guard, Holland getting backup forward minutes and you'd need another big but Paul Reed for now and some firsts.

I think in the end, if a Giannis to Detroit deal happened, the Pistons would part with their young talent that doesn't shoot well and therefore isn't a good fit around Giannis. If the Pistons win the deal, those guys go to a 3rd team and shooting win-now talent comes back to Detroit. If Milwaukee can eke out 80 cents on the dollar (with dollar not being Giannis' value but a superstar trade piece) they end up in Milwaukee.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I wonder if some team with one star and some young talent could pull a 2008 Celtics and get Giannis and another star with him. The Pistons and Grizzlies are unlikely markets, but they both make a ton of sense basketball-wise. Cade + Giannis would be tremendous and Ausar and Ron Holland would be a good start to a deal. For the Grizzlies, Jaren Jackson and Aldama are quality shooting bigs, and if you have four 3pt shooters and Giannis out there and your 3rd best player is better than KPJ, you're probably in business.

This is an intriguing thought exercise!

I think Giannis wants to be in New York because of proximity to life outside of basketball, which is primarily in Greece.

[SkyHook]

I wonder if some team with one star and some young talent could pull a 2008 Celtics and get Giannis and another star with him. The Pistons and Grizzlies are unlikely markets, but they both make a ton of sense basketball-wise. Cade + Giannis would be tremendous and Ausar and Ron Holland would be a good start to a deal. For the Grizzlies, Jaren Jackson and Aldama are quality shooting bigs, and if you have four 3pt shooters and Giannis out there and your 3rd best player is better than KPJ, you're probably in business.

This is an intriguing thought exercise!

I think Giannis wants to be in New York because of proximity to life outside of basketball, which is primarily in Greece.

Nonstop flights to Athens from eight US metros: New York (JFK & Newark), DC, Boston, Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Los Angeles. (Of course he can fly private which would open up a few more, but it might still be limited based on the max range of smaller jets.)

Of these, Atlanta might have the best shot given the composition of their team combined with their draft assets. Personally, I have massive doubts about Young, but is he enough of a "star" for others? Or do you try to move him in a deal for someone better?

[Kiss of Death]

Update: Giannis is looking at teams other than the Knicks, per Shams.

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[ReggiesKnicks]

I wonder if some team with one star and some young talent could pull a 2008 Celtics and get Giannis and another star with him. The Pistons and Grizzlies are unlikely markets, but they both make a ton of sense basketball-wise. Cade + Giannis would be tremendous and Ausar and Ron Holland would be a good start to a deal. For the Grizzlies, Jaren Jackson and Aldama are quality shooting bigs, and if you have four 3pt shooters and Giannis out there and your 3rd best player is better than KPJ, you're probably in business.

This is an intriguing thought exercise!

I think Giannis wants to be in New York because of proximity to life outside of basketball, which is primarily in Greece.

Nonstop flights to Athens from eight US metros: New York (JFK & Newark), DC, Boston, Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Los Angeles. (Of course he can fly private which would open up a few more, but it might still be limited based on the max range of smaller jets.)

Of these, Atlanta might have the best shot given the composition of their team combined with their draft assets. Personally, I have massive doubts about Young, but is he enough of a "star" for others? Or do you try to move him in a deal for someone better?

Atlanta is an interesting landing spot.

1) Atlanta has an intriguing package headlined by Jalen Johnson, Dyson Daniels, and Zaccharie Risacher with plenty of picks. (Note: Atlanta doesn't need to part with all 3 of the names mentioned)
2) Atlanta has floor-spacing 5's in Okongwu/Porzingis to give Giannis 4-out spacing next to him.

Would Trae Young re-sign with Atlanta for less than the Max if Atlanta acquires Giannis? Would Giannis want to play with Trae? (I think he would)

[ReggiesKnicks]

Update: Giannis is looking at teams other than the Knicks, per Shams.

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Giannis spent a week at training camp and said, "This ain't it."

[babyjax13]

The Hawks just have a truckload of assets, and I love the Young-Giannis-KP fit. My guess is we see something at the deadline if the Bucks falter, and they trade Turner, too.

[enzino]

Instantaneous no from the Jazz.

Yeah that sucks for the Jazz.
Shepard seems like he won’t live up to his rookie contract to me.
Would the Jazz have interest in Pritchard for Kessler?
I don’t know that he fits thier goals but that seems closer in a value sense

I like Pritchard, but I wouldn't trade Kessler for him and don't believe the Jazz FO would either. I don't think that it's remotely close in terms of value.

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[brackdan70]

Yeah that sucks for the Jazz.
Shepard seems like he won’t live up to his rookie contract to me.
Would the Jazz have interest in Pritchard for Kessler?
I don’t know that he fits thier goals but that seems closer in a value sense

I like Pritchard, but I wouldn't trade Kessler for him and don't believe the Jazz FO would either. I don't think that it's remotely close in terms of value.

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-4 wins and potential good pick for the Celtics.
I think this swings the value a little high to Utahs benefit. Seems solid for the Rockets.
From Celtics pov I think make it the 2027 pick lotto protected and it’s closer.
Maybe the Rockets pay more as they get the best player.
For the Celtics I think if Queta is looking solid then they probably don’t need to do anything like this .

[jbk1234]

Update: Giannis is looking at teams other than the Knicks, per Shams.

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Giannis spent a week at training camp and said, "This ain't it."

This is what front offices do when they don't intend on trading a player that season, but they don't want to be the foil: Send the agent on a fool's errand of finding a deal that works for all parties involved and is CBA compliant mid season.

[gswhoops]

The Hawks just have a truckload of assets, and I love the Young-Giannis-KP fit. My guess is we see something at the deadline if the Bucks falter, and they trade Turner, too.

As much as I'd obviously love it, Warriors don't have the assets to be competitive for Giannis. But if Turner becomes available I'd love to make a move around Kuminga + other assets for Turner

[babyjax13]

The Hawks just have a truckload of assets, and I love the Young-Giannis-KP fit. My guess is we see something at the deadline if the Bucks falter, and they trade Turner, too.

As much as I'd obviously love it, Warriors don't have the assets to be competitive for Giannis. But if Turner becomes available I'd love to make a move around Kuminga + other assets for Turner

I think that would be a great fit.

[babyjax13]

ATL trades: Jalen Johnson, Onyeka Okongwu, Zaccharie Rissacher, Luke Kennard, Asa Newell, 2026 NOP/MIL 1st (most favorable), 2026 ATL 1st (several swaps are on this, so it will be low), 2027 NOP/MIL 1st (MIL 1-4 protected, less favorable - if MIL pick falls within its protected range NOP 1st does not convey), 2028 ATL/UTA/CLE 1st (effectively, least favorable), 2030 ATL 1st, 2032 ATL 1st
MIL trades: Giannis Antetekounmpo, Myles Turner, Cole Anthony

An absolute haul of picks + really promising young players + some level of control over their own draft. Seems clear Atlanta is gearing up for a Giannis offer and they are a perfect fit as a team. The Turner for Okongwu/Kennard piece of this (salary wise) doesn't have to be here, but I think it would reflect well on Milwaukee to keep them together.

ATL depth chart:
Turner/Porzingis
Giannis/Turner/Gueye
NAW/Djurisic/Daniels
Daniels/Krecji
Young/Anthony/Wallace

Some shortcomings in the backcourt, but this is a monster of a core. I am sure this can all be fine-tuned to make a bit more sense.

MIL depth chart:
Okongwu/Portis/Newell
Johnson/Smith/Portis
Rissacher/Green/Kuzma
Porter Jr./Kennard/Trent
Rollins/Porter Jr./???

They actually have some promising players on the roster after this + a bunch of picks recovered in the deal. I think this gives both teams a future.