Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[PG Graveyard]

I dont know if any one player that we could feasibly acquire makes us a real contender. But Id like to know who people think that could be.

Of guys on (what should be) non contending teams, I think the list begins and ends with Devin Booker. Maybe Ja if Memphis has a bad start.

Of course, matching salary s nearly impossible without giving a huge extension to AJ Green, which diminishes his value.

Other remote possibilities would be guys like Vassell and Herro, but they probably don’t put you on that tier.

We're not the favorites, but we're a contender right now. The upgrade from Lopez to Turner is massive. If we had a Turner clone instead of Lopez in last years playoffs, we beat Indy, and they went to the Finals.

I also think our overall team is better than it was last year at this time and the East is decimated.

[raferfenix]

The Giannis trade chatter is always loudest when we're shopping our future 1sts. I'm guessing a Kuzma and a 1st trade is about to go down.

Not disregarding this theory.

Or he’s upset at a deal that didn’t go down (Kuminga would be my best guess given the timing).

Otherwise what move mid-preseason would theoretically be on the table?

I don’t think Giannis would make a stink about not trading for DeRozan or Malik Monk.

More likely if there’s a guy he’s exerting pressure for us to acquire it’d be a move sometime after Dec. 15 before the deadline.

[Ron Swanson]

Horst better have his best Kuzma plus Bobby and multiple swaps/firsts trade package ready to pull the trigger on at the trade deadline, because outside of this team miraculously starting 30-13 or something, can’t see any other way you’re gonna convince him we have any sort of realistic shot at winning a championship this season.

I wouldn’t waste those future draft picks at this point unless Giannis says he’s re-signing.

Who cares about the picks? This franchise is cooked for the majority of the next decade once Giannis leaves anyways, and you guys care way too much about the 1-2% chance that those picks or swaps end up being a Flagg or Wemby type guy in the draft. Any non-idiot GM is getting a return package that sets the franchise up for the next 5-years if Giannis gets traded next summer, and if the GM's an idiot, then what does it matter anyways?

[aboveAverage]

The Giannis trade chatter is always loudest when we're shopping our future 1sts. I'm guessing a Kuzma and a 1st trade is about to go down.

Not disregarding this theory.

Or he’s upset at a deal that didn’t go down (Kuminga would be my best guess given the timing).

Otherwise what move mid-preseason would theoretically be on the table?

I don’t think Giannis would make a stink about not trading for DeRozan or Malik Monk.

More likely if there’s a guy he’s exerting pressure for us to acquire it’d be a move sometime after Dec. 15 before the deadline.

I was thinking about this as well. It seems like Giannis often has his camp leak vague references of potentially not committing to MKE right before a big trade goes down. Either to pressure ownership, or to drive the perceived value of that future pick way up.

I’d be prepared for a trade for a good player to go down soon.

[MikeIsGood]

I didn't realize we were taking this seriously now. I've been ignoring (very literally) anything Shams has said about Giannis since he joined ESPN. So this time might be for real?

[El Pooch Grande]

I didn't realize we were taking this seriously now. I've been ignoring (very literally) anything Shams has said about Giannis since he joined ESPN. So this time might be for real?

Correct. Giannis continues to not refute these reports. He joined the team late staying in Greece for as long as possible, and now there is the heavy likelihood the family is all moving out of Milwaukee and back to Greece. It's not hard to read the room here.

[ShootingtheJ]

I didn't realize we were taking this seriously now. I've been ignoring (very literally) anything Shams has said about Giannis since he joined ESPN. So this time might be for real?

Correct. Giannis continues to not refute these reports. He joined the team late staying in Greece for as long as possible, and now there is the heavy likelihood the family is all moving out of Milwaukee and back to Greece. It's not hard to read the room here.

Giannis tweeted "I miss Woj" when Shams started this BS. If he refutes every report, he'd be making statements on a daily basis.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Like what is actually new in that article that changes anything from yesterday to today?

You have to add in Mariah moving to Greece with the kids to get the full context. As I said when Porschla Kidd left Fox Point for LA, if Momma isn’t happy, no one is happy.

And Giannis knows that if he asks out, he does NOT want his wife and kids to be living in Milwaukee and subjected to a small handful of angry fans and angry sports talk shows going 24/7 on the topic. Getting the wife and kids out to a neutral place ahead of time is a smart move.

nailed it. damn

[RRyder823]

Like what is actually new in that article that changes anything from yesterday to today?

You have to add in Mariah moving to Greece with the kids to get the full context. As I said when Porschla Kidd left Fox Point for LA, if Momma isn’t happy, no one is happy.

And Giannis knows that if he asks out, he does NOT want his wife and kids to be living in Milwaukee and subjected to a small handful of angry fans and angry sports talk shows going 24/7 on the topic. Getting the wife and kids out to a neutral place ahead of time is a smart move.

nailed it. damn

If the argument that his family is moved to Greece because he doesn't want them to be subject to a angry fans then you must believe a trade is imminent. Cause otherwise that idea falls flat on its face

And still not an answer to the my question of what changed from before this article to cause a fuss cause litterally everything Shams wrote is just regurgitating previous "reports" from him.

We mocked those reports before but not now apparently

Giannis mocked those reports before but now that his family moved now we believe them?

Ill believe Giannis asks out when he does. People are just druving themselves nuts based on no new information but rather because the same nothing got thrown into their faces enough times

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[PG Graveyard]

You have to add in Mariah moving to Greece with the kids to get the full context. As I said when Porschla Kidd left Fox Point for LA, if Momma isn’t happy, no one is happy.

And Giannis knows that if he asks out, he does NOT want his wife and kids to be living in Milwaukee and subjected to a small handful of angry fans and angry sports talk shows going 24/7 on the topic. Getting the wife and kids out to a neutral place ahead of time is a smart move.

nailed it. damn

If the argument that his family is moved to Greece because he doesn't want them to be subject to a angry fans then you must believe a trade is imminent. Cause otherwise that idea falls flat on its face

And still not an answer to the my question of what changed from before this article to cause a fuss cause litterally everything Shams wrote is just regurgitating previous "reports" from him.

We mocked those reports before but not now apparently

Giannis mocked those reports before but now that his family moved now we believe them?

Ill believe Giannis asks out when he does. People are just druving themselves nuts based on no new information but rather because the same nothing got thrown into their faces enough times

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The Shams article is recycled nonsense that is meaningless. The kids going to Greece could mean something if it’s true.

[DingleJerry]

It really could be as simple as they've said so far. Want the kids in school there learning that culture and in safer schools. Not be in MKE during winter while having to live in a big celebrity bubble here and not having to live in what has become daily chaos in the USA which is likely only going to continue and increase for the next 3-4 years. If you have any friends from outside the US you probably realize what we're viewed as at this point. The majority of these problems don't go away by switching cities in the nba.

[Reddeye]

If the family has moved to Greece, is Giannis planning on playing many more years in the NBA? He seems big on family. You would think it would be hard on him to be away from his kids for 7+ months a year.

[Ron Swanson]

Is it really an unpopular opinion that Giannis has actually been entirely, and refreshingly, honest about all of this for years? He's always maintained one thing, and that's "I wanna win". So this all has me wondering why anyone is acting surprised that this might finally be the turning point. Giannis isn't a moron and I never honestly expected him to accept sticking it out for a bunch of re-tooling/re-building or whatever-you-want-to-call-it seasons just out of blind loyalty. Like, at what point do people actually believe the words he says, specifically the "I wanna be here as long as we can compete for championships" stuff?

It's on you guys if you thought everything was going to be all peachy just because we somewhat salvaged a nightmare situation/timeline with the Turner signing and a couple savvy cap moves. The only way I'd be willing to put any of this on him, is if his agent/camp specifically timed it to leak this stuff all right before the season starts as a prelude to a mid-season trade request. But I'll still put the odds of that as close to zero as I can imagine. This coming season really is starting to look like it's it though. He'll make the decision for you the second he decides to (or doesn't) sign the extension 12-months from now.

[Matches Malone]

Has he been completely honest though? I go back and forth on that. Maybe he's not even honest to himself right now because he doesn't know what he wants.

Seems to me this is all heading to a boiling point because he keeps opening the door of possibly leaving while also saying things like I hope to bring the Bucks back to the finals or finish my career with them. Maybe he just doesn't know and that's fair, but then maybe just say I don't know instead of making sweeping statements one way or the other so people are pleased with what he said.

It's clear the Bucks and FO are working under the assumption he is staying with their recent moves, so if something has changed, Giannis should probably tell them instead of stringing the situation along. If he's here to compete for rings, he probably should have asked out a few seasons ago or the second Doc came on board.

Edit: My only frustration in this situation is how much Giannis is a competitor and thinking of going elsewhere to win. He doesn't even work out with fellow players because he competes against them during the season. Why all of a sudden does he want to join another stacked team instead of trying to take them down? He took so much pride carrying that Greek team to a 3rd place finish, you'd think he'd take pride in helping bring up a second wave of Bucks success with him at the helm and carrying this young squad to places not thought possible. That was my wish at least, but doesn't seem plausible now lol

[Dick Tate]

The 4-month countdown clock has started (imo).

Because of the weak supporting cast, Antetokounmpo may have been wise to wait for any sort of trade demand. If the Bucks do sputter out of the gate, he’ll have more justification for asking out. In addition, as ESPN reported Tuesday, his monster $200-million-plus extension can be signed up until October 1, 2026, only if his team has employed him for at least six months. Teams will be motivated to acquire him ahead of the trade deadline rather than wait for this summer.

[BUCKnation]

Edit: My only frustration in this situation is how much Giannis is a competitor and thinking of going elsewhere to win. He doesn't even work out with fellow players because he competes against them during the season. Why all of a sudden does he want to join another stacked team instead of trying to take them down? He took so much pride carrying that Greek team to a 3rd place finish, you'd think he'd take pride in helping bring up a second wave of Bucks success with him at the helm and carrying this young squad to places not thought possible. That was my wish at least, but doesn't seem plausible now lol

This is his best chance to get another mvp, due to the narrative. If they pull off 50+ wins and he's his usual self with maybe more assists, he should be the favorite.

Using notechben's idea, the only good thing about Giannis in NY is that he'll probably finally get his due.

It's very similar to another situation close to me in soccer (you can ignore if you don't follow), but Harry Kane is in Bayern doing insane stuff and is finally getting recognition as the best striker in the world, when as a Tottenham fan, we've been yelling that from the rooftop for years.

[soxperry]

This is so stupid....you had a full off-season to figure out how you felt. A mid season trade?

In or out dude

In or **** out

[emunney]

Is it really an unpopular opinion that Giannis has actually been entirely, and refreshingly, honest about all of this for years? He's always maintained one thing, and that's "I wanna win". So this all has me wondering why anyone is acting surprised that this might finally be the turning point. Giannis isn't a moron and I never honestly expected him to accept sticking it out for a bunch of re-tooling/re-building or whatever-you-want-to-call-it seasons just out of blind loyalty. Like, at what point do people actually believe the words he says, specifically the "I wanna be here as long as we can compete for championships" stuff?

It's on you guys if you thought everything was going to be all peachy just because we somewhat salvaged a nightmare situation/timeline with the Turner signing and a couple savvy cap moves. The only way I'd be willing to put any of this on him, is if his agent/camp specifically timed it to leak this stuff all right before the season starts as a prelude to a mid-season trade request. But I'll still put the odds of that as close to zero as I can imagine. This coming season really is starting to look like it's it though. He'll make the decision for you the second he decides to (or doesn't) sign the extension 12-months from now.

If the team is as bad as the consensus suggests, it's a stretch to think he won't find a new team to extend with next summer. So given how people feel about the team, it's a pretty natural extension that they assume he's on his way out. But if the team works as well as I think it will, this will all be forgotten.

[GoldenAntlers]

I still don't have any worry about Giannis leaving.

[jakecronus8]

Just wanted to add that if this ends in a Giannis trade and the Bucks pull a Nico and only negotiate with one team they deserve the backlash and boycotts they receive. Love Giannis, but no one gets to force that action.