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bgrep14 wrote:Vando and Knecht for Strus
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Rui + Knecht for Strus + 2ND. RUI is expiring. Strusunder contract next season when payroll is super high for CLE.babyjax13 wrote:bgrep14 wrote:Vando and Knecht for Strus
I don't see the appeal for Cleveland. Strus is just better than Knecht - I love Vando, but he has been hurt so much. Maybe if he is healthy and playing well half way through the year, he is a monster defender and a good passer + his corner three is starting to look passable. Wish Utah had just kept him.
scoobs07 wrote:Rui + Knecht for Strus + 2ND. RUI is expiring. Strusunder contract next season when payroll is super high for CLE.babyjax13 wrote:bgrep14 wrote:Vando and Knecht for Strus
I don't see the appeal for Cleveland. Strus is just better than Knecht - I love Vando, but he has been hurt so much. Maybe if he is healthy and playing well half way through the year, he is a monster defender and a good passer + his corner three is starting to look passable. Wish Utah had just kept him.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:bgrep14 wrote:Vando and Knecht for Strus
I don't see the appeal for Cleveland. Strus is just better than Knecht - I love Vando, but he has been hurt so much. Maybe if he is healthy and playing well half way through the year, he is a monster defender and a good passer + his corner three is starting to look passable. Wish Utah had just kept him.
gswhoops wrote:jayjaysee wrote:It’s just unrealistic because of Nike.. But Gafford and Martin for Vincent, Maxi, Dalton and second(s) would seem to make sense for both sides.
Dallas using the second(s) with maybe 1-2 of their own to dump one of Maxi/Vincent to save a fortune. Maybe look to dump the other one if possible::
But Dalton comes in and has a small role for Dallas this season but could grow into an important piece..
LAL gets a decent bench two way wing and a strong rotation center..
Unless Dallas is really looking to cut salary and doesn't care about the on-court impact this year, I can't see them being interested in this.
babyjax13 wrote:scoobs07 wrote:Rui + Knecht for Strus + 2ND. RUI is expiring. Strusunder contract next season when payroll is super high for CLE.babyjax13 wrote:I don't see the appeal for Cleveland. Strus is just better than Knecht - I love Vando, but he has been hurt so much. Maybe if he is healthy and playing well half way through the year, he is a monster defender and a good passer + his corner three is starting to look passable. Wish Utah had just kept him.
Then I don't see it for LAL. Vincent + Knecht could make sense and Cleveland could waive or keep Vincent.
jbk1234 wrote:babyjax13 wrote:scoobs07 wrote: Rui + Knecht for Strus + 2ND. RUI is expiring. Strusunder contract next season when payroll is super high for CLE.
Then I don't see it for LAL. Vincent + Knecht could make sense and Cleveland could waive or keep Vincent.
I suspect the Cavs would prefer that Vincent and Knecht go to a third team and the Cavs just realize the cap savings, but I don't think the Cavs F.O. is all that open to trading players who gave them solid minutes in the playoffs because they had a single bad shooting night in an elimination game. That's more of a fan thing.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:Someone probably suggested any or all of these, but just looking at names at salaries that could match Vincent + Knecht or Knecht + other filler and may have a reason to do the trade (move off of long-term money, get a little younger, etc.). Some may require filler, a third team, etc.
- Corey Kispert
- Josh Green
- Brandon Clarke
- Isaiah Joe
- Kelly Olynyk
- Isaac Okoro
- Sam Hauser
- Ousmane Dieng
- Zach Collins
- Kevin Huerter
- Nikola Vucevic
- Trayce Jackson Davis
I think Clarke is actually a really fun one. Small ball center, should really thrive off of Luka and LeBron's passing, could allow them to run a switching scheme. Green makes sense as a solid defender who can sometimes hit open shots (same for Okoro). Lots of bench shooters - Joe if OKC wants to reign in their spending a bit, Kispert if Washington isn't sold on keeping him long term and is happy to cut the salary + get a decent swing at a potential bench shooter in Knecht.
I am super skeptical of Ayton, so I'd be trying to get a center now. It is actually hard to find one in that range that could be available for Knecht + Vincent + maybe 2nd(s). Clarke and TJD seem like the possibilities for that.
zimpy27 wrote:Knecht was 23 points per 100 at 59.4% TS as a rookie last season. He is a plus rebounder from the 2. He looked better than expected on defense but still has a way to go.
Yes he's older but he's also under 25 and has 3 years on deal at under $5m a season.
I understand few preseason games can confuse some people because it looks like NBA players on a basketball court, but it's not NBA basketball. Perhaps wait until ASB if you're hoping for a dip but based on his actual NBA experience he has decent value.
SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Knecht was 23 points per 100 at 59.4% TS as a rookie last season. He is a plus rebounder from the 2. He looked better than expected on defense but still has a way to go.
Yes he's older but he's also under 25 and has 3 years on deal at under $5m a season.
I understand few preseason games can confuse some people because it looks like NBA players on a basketball court, but it's not NBA basketball. Perhaps wait until ASB if you're hoping for a dip but based on his actual NBA experience he has decent value.
It's not exactly a new narrative based upon just two preseason games though:
"Ultimately, teams aren’t going to look away from Knecht because of Summer League, but it’s also not like he was playing all that well at the end of the season. After peaking in November, Knecht struggled more and more as the season went on. His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started."
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/lakers-analysis/93136/dalton-knecht-lakers-trade-value-summer-league-las-vegas-california-classic
"Lakers reporter Jovan Buha claims that league sources on the ground at the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas told him that Knecht is no longer considered worthy of a first-round pick in a potential swap.
“Summer League has not helped Knecht's stock, and I don't think at this point he is valued as a first-round pick, in terms of an asset valuation. That was what I heard in Vegas from talking to multiple people, non-Lakers people, just gauging what would you give for Dalton Knecht? Or if the Lakers are putting Dalton Knecht in a trade, what is he worth? And the feedback I got was, no longer worth a first-round valuation,” Buha said."
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/tennessee/news/lakers-dangling-ex-vol-dalton-knecht-trade-talks-wont-get-first-round-pick-value-tanks-summer-league/a2f7d7591b5d241b1c247d40
zimpy27 wrote:SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Knecht was 23 points per 100 at 59.4% TS as a rookie last season. He is a plus rebounder from the 2. He looked better than expected on defense but still has a way to go.
Yes he's older but he's also under 25 and has 3 years on deal at under $5m a season.
I understand few preseason games can confuse some people because it looks like NBA players on a basketball court, but it's not NBA basketball. Perhaps wait until ASB if you're hoping for a dip but based on his actual NBA experience he has decent value.
It's not exactly a new narrative based upon just two preseason games though:
"Ultimately, teams aren’t going to look away from Knecht because of Summer League, but it’s also not like he was playing all that well at the end of the season. After peaking in November, Knecht struggled more and more as the season went on. His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started."
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/lakers-analysis/93136/dalton-knecht-lakers-trade-value-summer-league-las-vegas-california-classic
"Lakers reporter Jovan Buha claims that league sources on the ground at the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas told him that Knecht is no longer considered worthy of a first-round pick in a potential swap.
“Summer League has not helped Knecht's stock, and I don't think at this point he is valued as a first-round pick, in terms of an asset valuation. That was what I heard in Vegas from talking to multiple people, non-Lakers people, just gauging what would you give for Dalton Knecht? Or if the Lakers are putting Dalton Knecht in a trade, what is he worth? And the feedback I got was, no longer worth a first-round valuation,” Buha said."
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/tennessee/news/lakers-dangling-ex-vol-dalton-knecht-trade-talks-wont-get-first-round-pick-value-tanks-summer-league/a2f7d7591b5d241b1c247d40
Yeah this is just Lakers media nonsense. Headline grabbing.
No one judges any value of a player from preseason or summer league. Maybe he will be watched more closely in the first few NBA games.
SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:SkyHook wrote:It's not exactly a new narrative based upon just two preseason games though:
"Ultimately, teams aren’t going to look away from Knecht because of Summer League, but it’s also not like he was playing all that well at the end of the season. After peaking in November, Knecht struggled more and more as the season went on. His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started."
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/lakers-analysis/93136/dalton-knecht-lakers-trade-value-summer-league-las-vegas-california-classic
"Lakers reporter Jovan Buha claims that league sources on the ground at the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas told him that Knecht is no longer considered worthy of a first-round pick in a potential swap.
“Summer League has not helped Knecht's stock, and I don't think at this point he is valued as a first-round pick, in terms of an asset valuation. That was what I heard in Vegas from talking to multiple people, non-Lakers people, just gauging what would you give for Dalton Knecht? Or if the Lakers are putting Dalton Knecht in a trade, what is he worth? And the feedback I got was, no longer worth a first-round valuation,” Buha said."
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/tennessee/news/lakers-dangling-ex-vol-dalton-knecht-trade-talks-wont-get-first-round-pick-value-tanks-summer-league/a2f7d7591b5d241b1c247d40
Yeah this is just Lakers media nonsense. Headline grabbing.
No one judges any value of a player from preseason or summer league. Maybe he will be watched more closely in the first few NBA games.
Again, from the first article (in July)... "His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started."
zimpy27 wrote:SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah this is just Lakers media nonsense. Headline grabbing.
No one judges any value of a player from preseason or summer league. Maybe he will be watched more closely in the first few NBA games.
Again, from the first article (in July)... "His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started."
Both articles you linked are after summer league.. Did you mean to post something different?
Yeah his trade value peaked last November, he was putting up like 67% TS and looked amazing. Since then it has dipped. First 2 months he looked like a top 5 draft pick.
Judging Knecht off actual basketball games is fine. His stats before and after ASB are similar. His first 2 months were stellar, the final 5 months were ok.
SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:SkyHook wrote:Again, from the first article (in July)... "His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started."
Both articles you linked are after summer league.. Did you mean to post something different?
Yeah his trade value peaked last November, he was putting up like 67% TS and looked amazing. Since then it has dipped. First 2 months he looked like a top 5 draft pick.
Judging Knecht off actual basketball games is fine. His stats before and after ASB are similar. His first 2 months were stellar, the final 5 months were ok.
That's not me stating that. The quote from the first article, which—yes—was written immediately following Summer League literally says, "His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started." This isn't some brand new valuation of Knecht... that's all I'm saying. Don't shoot the messenger.
zimpy27 wrote:SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Both articles you linked are after summer league.. Did you mean to post something different?
Yeah his trade value peaked last November, he was putting up like 67% TS and looked amazing. Since then it has dipped. First 2 months he looked like a top 5 draft pick.
Judging Knecht off actual basketball games is fine. His stats before and after ASB are similar. His first 2 months were stellar, the final 5 months were ok.
That's not me stating that. The quote from the first article, which—yes—was written immediately following Summer League literally says, "His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started." This isn't some brand new valuation of Knecht... that's all I'm saying. Don't shoot the messenger.
Ok well it seemed in your first post that you were disagreeing with me but actually you agree that Knecht is still valuable. Not as valuable as he was in November last year but still valuable and not impacted by non-NBA games like preseason and summer league.
SkyHook wrote:zimpy27 wrote:SkyHook wrote:That's not me stating that. The quote from the first article, which—yes—was written immediately following Summer League literally says, "His trade value was already dipping well before Summer League started." This isn't some brand new valuation of Knecht... that's all I'm saying. Don't shoot the messenger.
Ok well it seemed in your first post that you were disagreeing with me but actually you agree that Knecht is still valuable. Not as valuable as he was in November last year but still valuable and not impacted by non-NBA games like preseason and summer league.
I agree in that the Lakers shouldn't need to pay anyone to take him; he could return an SRP or another player of similar marginal value. I wouldn't necessarily call that "valuable", but I don't think he's devoid of value. How's that?
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