Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[Daver]

It’s moot anyways because this team is going to be much better than expected at the start of the season. Giannis is super competitive and is not asking out unless the team is god awful for a long time period. He’s going to like this squad.

Absolutely he will already made comments on that

[Ron Swanson]

Also precisely why a lot of us were begging the organization to dump Doc's worthless carcass at the unemployment line as soon as the playoff clock hit zero. You basically have one more shot at convincing Giannis this team can be even a fringe contender with this scrappy but uninspiring roster, and yet we're banking on an old, bottom-tier re-tread coach to actually exceed expectations and make this roster greater than the sum of its parts?

Just lays bare the complete degradation of the infrastructure/culture and decision-making of a franchise that was, just a few years ago, considered one of the gold standards of the league under the Bud/Horst regime. You can paper over a lot of the margins failure stuff as long as you have talent, but the second that talent well starts to run dry, this is usually what happens when you don't have an upper tier coach/GM combo. This organization got arrogant and outside of the Dame trade, complacent.

[Reddeye]

Home game against the Knicks 10/28on NBC. Would be nice if the Bucks win that game.

[emunney]

Just wanted to add that if this ends in a Giannis trade and the Bucks pull a Nico and only negotiate with one team they deserve the backlash and boycotts they receive. Love Giannis, but no one gets to force that action.

To be fair to how insane Nico is, to truly pull a Nico you have to do this against the wishes of your god-level talent.

[jakecronus8]

If Giannis is truly planting the seeds for asking out it's very reminiscent of Lebron leaving Cleveland the first time and really both times when you think about it. While you're not the de facto GM per se, every roster and coaching move goes through you so you'd be abandoning the sinking ship that you yourself put the hole in.

I've said it many times over the years but I always wished we had a well established vet GM that could protect Giannis from himself. Not many great players are great evaluators of coaching and talent.

Alas, most of this is avoided if the Bucks aren't the worst drafting team in the nba and we hit on say 2 of our first rounders in the Giannis era.

[jakecronus8]

Also precisely why a lot of us were begging the organization to dump Doc's worthless carcass at the unemployment line as soon as the playoff clock hit zero. You basically have one more shot at convincing Giannis this team can be even a fringe contender with this scrappy but uninspiring roster, and yet we're banking on an old, bottom-tier re-tread coach to actually exceed expectations and make this roster greater than the sum of its parts?

Unfortunately Giannis seems to have a mindset of if you played in the NBA you're already a tier above any head coaching candidate in the league. Keep in mind, this is the guy who tried to beg ownership to "unfire" the dumpster fire that was Jason Kidd in Milwaukee.

[Ron Swanson]

Lebron has always been an absolute snake and left each of his teams high-and-dry with no ability to recoup value on their investment in him. Giannis playing this year out and then saying "not gonna sign the extension" on October 1st of next year is nothing like pulling a Lebron. He's doing the franchise a favor by making the decision for you, and if the organization is too dumb not to take advantage of that, then that's on them.

[DingleJerry]

I still don't have any worry about Giannis leaving.

I'd phrase it as I have no more worry than I did 4 days ago. I've always had they "hey I get it if we fall out of real contention and you only have 3ish megastar years left to get a title" type mindset. I know he's always been a bit vague on comments, but that's the summary/paraphrase of them imo over the years. He doesn't wanna say the fully homer thing because then he looks bad going back on it later. he'd prefer to stay and be the hero here, but leaves the crack open in case he just has to do it due to team having no chance anymore while he's still elite of elite.

I'd also note that in spite of the ridiculous dollar amounts, he would not surprise me to be an early retire guy after like 3-4 more years rather than drag out to his late 30s like so many. His body has to be hurting already and he's made so much money that nothing matters anymore on that end. To me this news is about setting up their life post career, which at most has what 7 years and could be as little as 3-4. and with the current state of the US they'd rather not be here

[ShootingtheJ]

Like what is actually new in that article that changes anything from yesterday to today?

You have to add in Mariah moving to Greece with the kids to get the full context. As I said when Porschla Kidd left Fox Point for LA, if Momma isn’t happy, no one is happy.

And Giannis knows that if he asks out, he does NOT want his wife and kids to be living in Milwaukee and subjected to a small handful of angry fans and angry sports talk shows going 24/7 on the topic. Getting the wife and kids out to a neutral place ahead of time is a smart move.

nailed it. damn

Giannis gave Mariah the choice of Milwaukee or Athens. No other US choices, which is telling. He could move his family immediately if getting traded was a option, there's no financial limitations here. He's not going anywhere. If he was considering a trade, Milwaukee wouldn't have been 1 of just 2 choices.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You have to add in Mariah moving to Greece with the kids to get the full context. As I said when Porschla Kidd left Fox Point for LA, if Momma isn’t happy, no one is happy.

And Giannis knows that if he asks out, he does NOT want his wife and kids to be living in Milwaukee and subjected to a small handful of angry fans and angry sports talk shows going 24/7 on the topic. Getting the wife and kids out to a neutral place ahead of time is a smart move.

nailed it. damn

If the argument that his family is moved to Greece because he doesn't want them to be subject to a angry fans then you must believe a trade is imminent. Cause otherwise that idea falls flat on its face

And still not an answer to the my question of what changed from before this article to cause a fuss cause litterally everything Shams wrote is just regurgitating previous "reports" from him.

We mocked those reports before but not now apparently

Giannis mocked those reports before but now that his family moved now we believe them?

Ill believe Giannis asks out when he does. People are just druving themselves nuts based on no new information but rather because the same nothing got thrown into their faces enough times

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there is NOTHING about previous reports or what we now know to be the most recent facts that has any bearing whatsoever to the current state of his mindset.

absolute best case at this point is we come roaring out of the gates with a bunch of minimum contract dudes, completely tapped payroll structure and this total reset mentality under doc and maybe buy a new mentality for the ENTIRE PLANET and how they view this **** we got going on.

worst case we bang around like any other team while hes playing wait and see being just another lockerrom ready to expode and hes texting his agent and wife back in greece how the **** he gets out of this situation without tarnishing his legacy for being captain obvious about how much of a waste of his time this seems to be all of a sudden.

even before dame went down, and we mortgaged all hell for this season....the obvious transition was an agreed upon trade that benefitted both parties. the homer versions of us look up 5 man rotation horse **** while the rest of the planet looks at literally who the **** is on each squad.

this is on its last leg man. this is when Bogut went awol to australia for personal reasons level of being the end man.

i say we start the season with as much optimism as possible but if he keeps this duplicity up we deal him asap for as best a decent dude and picks we can. this isnt like all the other "reports" man. but we can still have a fun team. that i believe.

but this thing about the entire family pulling the plug on wisconsin with giannis just trying to figure out what comes next and a casual lets see what we got thing without being a dick about it.....thats new entirely. we havent seen ANYTHING like this before

[Matches Malone]

lol

Keep riding that fence big man

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[paulpressey25]

this is pretty much the whole family pulling the plug and giannis just trying to figure out what comes next without being a dick about it

In fairness he's still got his place here. And his mother is coming back from Greece to live here with Thanasis this season. So he hasn't pulled up all stakes yet.

But, he did feel that it wasn't important for his wife and his children to be near him in Milwaukee this season. That's a huge move and one where he's emotionally letting got a a huge anchor to Milwaukee. No more ringing the bell during the season.

This is all a normal human part of emotionally disengaging or preparing to disengage.

Our only hope is Myles kicks ass and those no name guards (KPJ, Dairy, Rollins and even Cole Anthony) can somehow step up and form an effective unit.

[MickeyDavis]

Same stuff Giannis was saying before he signed his last extension.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

this is pretty much the whole family pulling the plug and giannis just trying to figure out what comes next without being a dick about it

In fairness he's still got his place here. And his mother is coming back from Greece to live here with Thanasis this season. So he hasn't pulled up all stakes yet.

But, he did feel that it wasn't important for his wife and his children to be near him in Milwaukee this season. That's a huge move and one where he's emotionally letting got a a huge anchor to Milwaukee. No more ringing the bell during the season.

This is all a normal human part of emotionally disengaging or preparing to disengage.

Our only hope is Myles kicks ass and those no name guards (KPJ, Dairy, Rollins and even Cole Anthony) can somehow step up and form an effective unit.

we need to pray were a bad ass team and he reinvests.

but there is no man on this planet that sends his family away because of **** preschool options to another country half a world away if he is committed to where hes at

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Same stuff Giannis was saying before he signed his last extension.

two things....

his family didnt just decide to ALL dip milwaukee
and
kyle kuzma wasnt our third highest paid player and part of his "big 3"

this team is the last hoorah man. when this thing fails hes out....thats the end. we have a fun squad but we aint "that squad". if we hit the skids we need to use him to go get a lesser bucket getter and some picks and just make this the end instead of being all neurotic about it

[MikeIsGood]

this team is the last hoorah man.

Did anyone ever expect it not to be? We don't have future assets until after Giannis' prime. Is anything different than a week ago?

[Ron Swanson]

He doesn't owe anybody any answers on his future until this time next year. It really is this simple. If he's visibly loafing out there in mid-December with this team hovering around .500 and then asks for a trade? Then fine, he deserves **** for putting everyone through the ringer when he had all the time in the world to make up his mind this offseason. Would still be dumb not to wait until next offseason though.

[aboveAverage]

Same stuff Giannis was saying before he signed his last extension.

two things....

his family didnt just decide to ALL dip milwaukee
and
kyle kuzma wasnt our third highest paid player and part of his "big 3"

this team is the last hoorah man. when this thing fails hes out....thats the end. we have a fun squad but we aint "that squad". if we hit the skids we need to use him to go get a lesser bucket getter and some picks and just make this the end instead of being all neurotic about it

Again, has this story been confirmed? Have they really moved to Greece? No one has been able to confirm that.

[StickeeFingaz]

It would be odd for Giannis to do all this legacy talk during the offseason and then decide he wants to go somewhere else.

Let me tell ya dude, your legacy will take a big hit. You’re no longer Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, etc.

[aboveAverage]

lol

Keep riding that fence big man

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Sounds to me like it’s clear Giannis will give his all for this rag tag Bucks team this season, and then he’ll evaluate his options next summer.

Not really a surprise.

Let’s hope we overachieve and Horst is able to pull off some good deals at the deadline or next summer.