Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Blazing_royale]

he just made Scottie expendable

[WuTang_CMB]

I know its pre-season but you can clearly see the impact he has on both ends. The high IQ passing, the screening, rebounding, defending, finishing at the rim. The high effort and activity. He's just all over the court. CMB will be getting heavy minutes this year and will be in our a top 6 rotation.

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[ConSarnit]

2 things I think he’ll struggle with:

As others have said, his finishing. He’ll need to get used to going up against NBA level rim protection. I don’t think it will be a problem long term.

Fouling. He plays defense really aggressively. I think he’s going to pick up cheap fouls because he’s a rookie. I think the aggression will pay off long term as he becomes a “can’t call everything a foul” guy (ala Draymond).

I think if he can avoid picking up fouls he’s a legit rotation guy right away. He has the feel, athleticism and size to compete right away.

[MEDIC]

he just made Scottie expendable

100%. Should we trade Scottie? Only if there is a deal available to get a star. Other than that, you keep him & try to figure out how to win with him. There will be pressure on Scottie now to step up. I think that's a good thing. He was given too much too fast.

Having CMB basically gives us a bigger trade chip that was previously untouchable.

[MEDIC]

2 things I think he’ll struggle with:

As others have said, his finishing. He’ll need to get used to going up against NBA level rim protection. I don’t think it will be a problem long term.

Fouling. He plays defense really aggressively. I think he’s going to pick up cheap fouls because he’s a rookie. I think the aggression will pay off long term as he becomes a “can’t call everything a foul” guy (ala Draymond).

I think if he can avoid picking up fouls he’s a legit rotation guy right away. He has the feel, athleticism and size to compete right away.

Yeah, the fouling is a given. All high calibre NCAA defenders have to deal with this. Shead was the same.

The media try to attribute it to NBA players being so much better, but we all know it's because the NBA neuters elite defenders (because they allow a lot less physicality). You always see these guys get extremely frustrated. They look like they are thinking "how the hell am I supposed to play defense"? Eventually they settle in & adjust their play style, but it usually takes them a season to make the adjustment.

[Yallbecrazy]

There was a 3 on 1 I think in the Nuggets game where CMB slid into the guys way took contact chest to chest and then stole the ball, but the ref called a foul because he's a rookie and shouldn't be able to take the ball from a NBA player that way on a fast break.

[MEDIC]

There was a 3 on 1 I think in the Nuggets game where CMB slid into the guys way took contact chest to chest and then stole the ball, but the ref called a foul because he's a rookie and shouldn't be able to take the ball from a NBA player that way on a fast break.

Yeah. Reputation calls are also an issue. The NBA wants their stars to shine. The NBA is not a pure form of basketball.

I think CMB should continue to be aggressive. Who cares if he fouls out. Keep being aggressive until he earns that defensive reputation with the refs.

[ConSarnit]

2 things I think he’ll struggle with:

As others have said, his finishing. He’ll need to get used to going up against NBA level rim protection. I don’t think it will be a problem long term.

Fouling. He plays defense really aggressively. I think he’s going to pick up cheap fouls because he’s a rookie. I think the aggression will pay off long term as he becomes a “can’t call everything a foul” guy (ala Draymond).

I think if he can avoid picking up fouls he’s a legit rotation guy right away. He has the feel, athleticism and size to compete right away.

Yeah, the fouling is a given. All high calibre NCAA defenders have to deal with this. Shead was the same.

The media try to attribute it to NBA players being so much better, but we all know it's because the NBA neuters elite defenders (because they allow a lot less physicality). You always see these guys get extremely frustrated. They look like they are thinking "how the hell am I supposed to play defense"? Eventually they settle in & adjust their play style, but it usually takes them a season to make the adjustment.

Huge disagreement here.

His first 2 games he’s had to guard Jokic and Sabonis. Go look at our first 15 games and tell me it’s not a massive jump in talent compared to some average SEC big man.

[B3auu]

he just made Scottie expendable

??? They do totally different things, if anything, pairing him Scottie and BI would be favourable

[MEDIC]

2 things I think he’ll struggle with:

As others have said, his finishing. He’ll need to get used to going up against NBA level rim protection. I don’t think it will be a problem long term.

Fouling. He plays defense really aggressively. I think he’s going to pick up cheap fouls because he’s a rookie. I think the aggression will pay off long term as he becomes a “can’t call everything a foul” guy (ala Draymond).

I think if he can avoid picking up fouls he’s a legit rotation guy right away. He has the feel, athleticism and size to compete right away.

Yeah, the fouling is a given. All high calibre NCAA defenders have to deal with this. Shead was the same.

The media try to attribute it to NBA players being so much better, but we all know it's because the NBA neuters elite defenders (because they allow a lot less physicality). You always see these guys get extremely frustrated. They look like they are thinking "how the hell am I supposed to play defense"? Eventually they settle in & adjust their play style, but it usually takes them a season to make the adjustment.

Huge disagreement here.

His first 2 games he’s had to guard Jokic and Sabonis. Go look at our first 15 games and tell me it’s not a massive jump in talent compared to some average SEC big man.

100% there is a massive jump in talent & it is part of it to a degree.

NCAA plays by similar rules as FIBA & games are managed in a similar way.

All you have to do is watch the olympics. NBA players have to deal with more physical defense & benefit a lot less from bail out callls. Superstar calls don't exist there.

[Spates]

Yeah, the fouling is a given. All high calibre NCAA defenders have to deal with this. Shead was the same.

The media try to attribute it to NBA players being so much better, but we all know it's because the NBA neuters elite defenders (because they allow a lot less physicality). You always see these guys get extremely frustrated. They look like they are thinking "how the hell am I supposed to play defense"? Eventually they settle in & adjust their play style, but it usually takes them a season to make the adjustment.

Huge disagreement here.

His first 2 games he’s had to guard Jokic and Sabonis. Go look at our first 15 games and tell me it’s not a massive jump in talent compared to some average SEC big man.

100% there is a massive jump in talent & it is part of it to a degree.

NCAA plays by similar rules as FIBA & games are managed in a similar way.

All you have to do is watch the olympics. NBA players have to deal with more physical defense & benefit a lot less from bail out callls. Superstar calls don't exist there.

I don't know. The 2025 playoffs had some of the most physical games I've seen.

[ConSarnit]

Yeah, the fouling is a given. All high calibre NCAA defenders have to deal with this. Shead was the same.

The media try to attribute it to NBA players being so much better, but we all know it's because the NBA neuters elite defenders (because they allow a lot less physicality). You always see these guys get extremely frustrated. They look like they are thinking "how the hell am I supposed to play defense"? Eventually they settle in & adjust their play style, but it usually takes them a season to make the adjustment.

Huge disagreement here.

His first 2 games he’s had to guard Jokic and Sabonis. Go look at our first 15 games and tell me it’s not a massive jump in talent compared to some average SEC big man.

100% there is a massive jump in talent & it is part of it to a degree.

NCAA plays by similar rules as FIBA & games are managed in a similar way.

All you have to do is watch the olympics. NBA players have to deal with more physical defense & benefit a lot less from bail out callls. Superstar calls don't exist there.

Is there any actual evidence supporting this? FTA per48:

NBA: 21.7
NCAA: 25.9

NCAA teams are fouling more on a per minute basis. If the refs are “letting them play” that doesn’t really line up with these stats.

You might have more of a point regarding international ball but if you look at team USA’s free throw rate was around 22%. The NBA league average FTR is 24%. That’s not a huge difference. Most of team USA had similar FTR’s in the Olympics compared to their NBA FTR. FTR for Team USA’s top scorers vs their recent NBA FTR:

Lebron: 28%/26%
Durant: 32%/32%
Steph: 12%/24%

Only Curry fell off in terms of drawing fouls but that because 77% of his FG were 3’s. Canada’s top 3 scorers (SGA, RJ and Brooks) all saw big jumps in their foul drawing at the Olympics. Wemby had the same FTR in the Olympics as he did in the NBA. Giannis had almost exactly the same Olympic FTR as he did in the ‘24 NBA season. Jokic increased his FTR in the Olympics.

It seems like NBA stars are doing just fine drawing fouls at the international level.

[MEDIC]

Huge disagreement here.

His first 2 games he’s had to guard Jokic and Sabonis. Go look at our first 15 games and tell me it’s not a massive jump in talent compared to some average SEC big man.

100% there is a massive jump in talent & it is part of it to a degree.

NCAA plays by similar rules as FIBA & games are managed in a similar way.

All you have to do is watch the olympics. NBA players have to deal with more physical defense & benefit a lot less from bail out callls. Superstar calls don't exist there.

Is there any actual evidence supporting this? FTA per48:

NBA: 21.7
NCAA: 25.9

NCAA teams are fouling more on a per minute basis. If the refs are “letting them play” that doesn’t really line up with these stats.

You might have more of a point regarding international ball but if you look at team USA’s free throw rate was around 22%. The NBA league average FTR is 24%. That’s not a huge difference. Most of team USA had similar FTR’s in the Olympics compared to their NBA FTR. FTR for Team USA’s top scorers vs their recent NBA FTR:

Lebron: 28%/26%
Durant: 32%/32%
Steph: 12%/24%

Only Curry fell off in terms of drawing fouls but that because 77% of his FG were 3’s. Canada’s top 3 scorers (SGA, RJ and Brooks) all saw big jumps in their foul drawing at the Olympics. Wemby had the same FTR in the Olympics as he did in the NBA. Giannis had almost exactly the same Olympic FTR as he did in the ‘24 NBA season. Jokic increased his FTR in the Olympics.

It seems like NBA stars are doing just fine drawing fouls at the international level.

It would be interesting to see if there is a difference in where the fouls are occuring & what positions are getting the most fouls.

When I watched Shead's defensive highlights from College, he was an absolute beast defensively. His on ball pressure was very aggressive & physical. It was impressive, but my first thought was "he won't be allowed to play like that in the NBA" & sure enough, that was the case.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

cmb injured not playing in 2nd half tonight.

[ConSarnit]

100% there is a massive jump in talent & it is part of it to a degree.

NCAA plays by similar rules as FIBA & games are managed in a similar way.

All you have to do is watch the olympics. NBA players have to deal with more physical defense & benefit a lot less from bail out callls. Superstar calls don't exist there.

Is there any actual evidence supporting this? FTA per48:

NBA: 21.7
NCAA: 25.9

NCAA teams are fouling more on a per minute basis. If the refs are “letting them play” that doesn’t really line up with these stats.

You might have more of a point regarding international ball but if you look at team USA’s free throw rate was around 22%. The NBA league average FTR is 24%. That’s not a huge difference. Most of team USA had similar FTR’s in the Olympics compared to their NBA FTR. FTR for Team USA’s top scorers vs their recent NBA FTR:

Lebron: 28%/26%
Durant: 32%/32%
Steph: 12%/24%

Only Curry fell off in terms of drawing fouls but that because 77% of his FG were 3’s. Canada’s top 3 scorers (SGA, RJ and Brooks) all saw big jumps in their foul drawing at the Olympics. Wemby had the same FTR in the Olympics as he did in the NBA. Giannis had almost exactly the same Olympic FTR as he did in the ‘24 NBA season. Jokic increased his FTR in the Olympics.

It seems like NBA stars are doing just fine drawing fouls at the international level.

It would be interesting to see if there is a difference in where the fouls are occuring & what positions are getting the most fouls.

When I watched Shead's defensive highlights from College, he was an absolute beast defensively. His on ball pressure was very aggressive & physical. It was impressive, but my first thought was "he won't be allowed to play like that in the NBA" & sure enough, that was the case.

I’ve always been of the mindset that college defense only looks better because most of the guys they are guarding suck. The type of pressure you can apply against sh*tty NCAA players doesn’t work against legit NBA players. Everyone’s defense looks better against worse players.

[Yallbecrazy]

cmb injured not playing in 2nd half tonight.

Saw him pump fake and finish and then Celtics called timeout and he didn't return. Where did he hurt his elbow?

[YogurtProducer]

Is there any actual evidence supporting this? FTA per48:

NBA: 21.7
NCAA: 25.9

NCAA teams are fouling more on a per minute basis. If the refs are “letting them play” that doesn’t really line up with these stats.

You might have more of a point regarding international ball but if you look at team USA’s free throw rate was around 22%. The NBA league average FTR is 24%. That’s not a huge difference. Most of team USA had similar FTR’s in the Olympics compared to their NBA FTR. FTR for Team USA’s top scorers vs their recent NBA FTR:

Lebron: 28%/26%
Durant: 32%/32%
Steph: 12%/24%

Only Curry fell off in terms of drawing fouls but that because 77% of his FG were 3’s. Canada’s top 3 scorers (SGA, RJ and Brooks) all saw big jumps in their foul drawing at the Olympics. Wemby had the same FTR in the Olympics as he did in the NBA. Giannis had almost exactly the same Olympic FTR as he did in the ‘24 NBA season. Jokic increased his FTR in the Olympics.

It seems like NBA stars are doing just fine drawing fouls at the international level.

It would be interesting to see if there is a difference in where the fouls are occuring & what positions are getting the most fouls.

When I watched Shead's defensive highlights from College, he was an absolute beast defensively. His on ball pressure was very aggressive & physical. It was impressive, but my first thought was "he won't be allowed to play like that in the NBA" & sure enough, that was the case.

I’ve always been of the mindset that college defense only looks better because most of the guys they are guarding suck. The type of pressure you can apply against sh*tty NCAA players doesn’t work against legit NBA players. Everyone’s defense looks better against worse players.

This is exactly it.

Shead is the most athletic guy on the floor by a mile most nights in the NCAA and can beat guys to the spots and be physical.

In the NBA everyone is athletic, and being a tenth of a second late now is a foul.

[MEDIC]

Is there any actual evidence supporting this? FTA per48:

NBA: 21.7
NCAA: 25.9

NCAA teams are fouling more on a per minute basis. If the refs are “letting them play” that doesn’t really line up with these stats.

You might have more of a point regarding international ball but if you look at team USA’s free throw rate was around 22%. The NBA league average FTR is 24%. That’s not a huge difference. Most of team USA had similar FTR’s in the Olympics compared to their NBA FTR. FTR for Team USA’s top scorers vs their recent NBA FTR:

Lebron: 28%/26%
Durant: 32%/32%
Steph: 12%/24%

Only Curry fell off in terms of drawing fouls but that because 77% of his FG were 3’s. Canada’s top 3 scorers (SGA, RJ and Brooks) all saw big jumps in their foul drawing at the Olympics. Wemby had the same FTR in the Olympics as he did in the NBA. Giannis had almost exactly the same Olympic FTR as he did in the ‘24 NBA season. Jokic increased his FTR in the Olympics.

It seems like NBA stars are doing just fine drawing fouls at the international level.

It would be interesting to see if there is a difference in where the fouls are occuring & what positions are getting the most fouls.

When I watched Shead's defensive highlights from College, he was an absolute beast defensively. His on ball pressure was very aggressive & physical. It was impressive, but my first thought was "he won't be allowed to play like that in the NBA" & sure enough, that was the case.

I’ve always been of the mindset that college defense only looks better because most of the guys they are guarding suck. The type of pressure you can apply against sh*tty NCAA players doesn’t work against legit NBA players. Everyone’s defense looks better against worse players.

Could be. It would be interesting to hear a players perspective on it.

I know some European players have stated that it's easier to score in the NBA because defenders are allowed to be more physical in Euroleague.

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[Basketball_Jones]

Damn, looked like he could have a big night again. Ah well let’s get ready for the season.