The 1 and only Giannis trade thread until he decides what to do?.

[Wolveswin]

He lives in Milwaukee because he was drafted there, and because Euro guys tend to be pretty loyal. I'm sure it wouldn't have been his first choice, which is why that now that he's considering leaving he's been rumoured to be interested in one of the marquee destinations that players actually do choose. Not Portland.

Who said anything about Portland????

Excuse me, alot of untenable cities are getting brought up so I went with the main one I was criticising.

Boston isn't liked by most players because it's cold and has a troubling history with minorities, which some players continue to cite to this day. In Giannis case they were also a rival l, don't have the scratch, and just started cost cutting so can't even afford him.

Orlando? Well, they used to be seen as an intriguing destination; warm weather and no taxes. I'd say they'd be in the top half of destination cities. The thing is Giannis list, if he demands a trade, is going to be like 5-7 teams tops. It's not so much that players hate Orlando, it's just not going to make the cut.

Giannis list is going to look like most stars; one of the LA/NY teams, Golden State, and maybe Miami (now that Butler is gone it probably won't feel so weird). Then he'll add a few more realistic teams like Houston & SA (warm weather, no taxes, amd good situations for him to win), and that'll probably be it.

I disagree. Giannis seems like the last guy to care about weather and night life - at this stage in career. Knicks are a great team in the East and would be better with Giannis. Just so happens to be ‘Big Apple’ - it’s a two’fer for him and why his requested destination.

[One_and_Done]

Who said anything about Portland????

Excuse me, alot of untenable cities are getting brought up so I went with the main one I was criticising.

Boston isn't liked by most players because it's cold and has a troubling history with minorities, which some players continue to cite to this day. In Giannis case they were also a rival l, don't have the scratch, and just started cost cutting so can't even afford him.

Orlando? Well, they used to be seen as an intriguing destination; warm weather and no taxes. I'd say they'd be in the top half of destination cities. The thing is Giannis list, if he demands a trade, is going to be like 5-7 teams tops. It's not so much that players hate Orlando, it's just not going to make the cut.

Giannis list is going to look like most stars; one of the LA/NY teams, Golden State, and maybe Miami (now that Butler is gone it probably won't feel so weird). Then he'll add a few more realistic teams like Houston & SA (warm weather, no taxes, amd good situations for him to win), and that'll probably be it.

I disagree. Giannis seems like the last guy to care about weather and night life - at this stage in career. Knicks are a great team in the East and would be better with Giannis. Just so happens to be ‘Big Apple’ - it’s a two’fer for him and why his requested destination.

I'll believe it when I start seeing stars demand trades to places like Orlando, Portland and Boston.

Note that no Euro star has ever actually demanded a trade. Like ever.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

AD got traded for real value (both times!) Dame got traded for real value. Durant got traded for real value when he went to the Suns.

Also, Horst is reportedly not interested in trading him for anything less than real value.

Real value or true value. This board firmly said lakers underpaid believing other teams had better offers.

Luka wasn’t traded for true value.

The idea stars get traded for 3 to 5 first rounders rarely happens.

In addition to the examples I already cited, Mitchell, Gobert, and even Bridges all returned that. I'd argue it's pretty much the market unless it's an older star attached to a contract that they might not be worth in the end or there's other baggage like Kyrie and Butler.

There's no chance the Bucks sell low on Giannis.

I wasn’t talking about the Mitchell , Gobert or bridges. Tier above that. Two tiers above bridges.

[Wolveswin]

Outside of Giannis demand trade to NY, I see two primary trades…

1) Celtics
This is NY-lite: on East coast - for quicker trips to Greece, weaker Eastern conference, and Celtics have assets to acquire Giannis - assuming locked-in Tatum to 3rd team for assets Bucks want. Giannis in Boston 25/26 season is instant title favorites year one.

2) Magic
On East coast, weaker Eastern conference, and roster around Giannis is best fit in entire NBA - assuming Banchero is centerpiece of trade. Problem with Magic is Banchero, his PPP, but also Giannis flight risk makes trading a young budding superstar tough pill to swallow for Orlando.

Lakers: not enough assets.
Same for Clippers, Warriors, and other west coast teams.
Spurs and Rockets have assets but not a Giannis destination which escalates the flight risk and lessen the assets willing to push in middle of Giannis trade.

I just don't see Giannis having any interest playing for either of those teams.

Dame only wanted to play in Miami. Butler only wanted to play in Phoenix. Neither got their wish. The Bucks will work with him, but they're not going to take a bad offer, and once that becomes clear, lists have a way of expanding.

That is somewhat true.

If trade is happening today, with two years Giannis control, maybe teams still give top end true value for Giannis (despite what might be a Giannis destination list). Teams will have their own risk tolerance for flight risk Giannis. I doubt two years control is enough for teams to backup the brinks truck (who aren’t on Giannis’s list or after meeting with Giannis and his people aren’t X% convinced he would re-sign).

*Now if destination is on Giannis destination list AND said destination has the top end assets/package Bucks are looking for, this is the Goldilocks situation both parties would love.

I think the trade is happening next offseason. Bucks seem ready to ride out this season. Next offseason Giannis trade offers will be much less, and probably only from teams on his destination list. One year team control is very risky proposition for teams not on Giannis list. That would be the Kawhi to Toronto situation (DDR/Poeltl/protected 1st level package).

[One_and_Done]

I just don't see Giannis having any interest playing for either of those teams.

Dame only wanted to play in Miami. Butler only wanted to play in Phoenix. Neither got their wish. The Bucks will work with him, but they're not going to take a bad offer, and once that becomes clear, lists have a way of expanding.

That is somewhat true.

If trade is happening today, with two years Giannis control, maybe teams still give top end true value for Giannis (despite what might be a Giannis destination list). Teams will have their own risk tolerance for flight risk Giannis. I doubt two years control is enough for teams to backup the brinks truck (who aren’t on Giannis’s list or after meeting with Giannis and his people aren’t X% convinced he would re-sign).

*Now if destination is on Giannis destination list AND said destination has the top end assets/package Bucks are looking for, this is the Goldilocks situation both parties would love.

I think the trade is happening next offseason. Bucks seem ready to ride out this season. Next offseason Giannis trade offers will be much less, and probably only from teams on his destination list. One year team control is very risky proposition for teams not on Giannis list. That would be the Kawhi to Toronto situation (DDR/Poeltl/protected 1st level package).

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

[Wolveswin]

Dame only wanted to play in Miami. Butler only wanted to play in Phoenix. Neither got their wish. The Bucks will work with him, but they're not going to take a bad offer, and once that becomes clear, lists have a way of expanding.

That is somewhat true.

If trade is happening today, with two years Giannis control, maybe teams still give top end true value for Giannis (despite what might be a Giannis destination list). Teams will have their own risk tolerance for flight risk Giannis. I doubt two years control is enough for teams to backup the brinks truck (who aren’t on Giannis’s list or after meeting with Giannis and his people aren’t X% convinced he would re-sign).

*Now if destination is on Giannis destination list AND said destination has the top end assets/package Bucks are looking for, this is the Goldilocks situation both parties would love.

I think the trade is happening next offseason. Bucks seem ready to ride out this season. Next offseason Giannis trade offers will be much less, and probably only from teams on his destination list. One year team control is very risky proposition for teams not on Giannis list. That would be the Kawhi to Toronto situation (DDR/Poeltl/protected 1st level package).

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

[jbk1234]

That is somewhat true.

If trade is happening today, with two years Giannis control, maybe teams still give top end true value for Giannis (despite what might be a Giannis destination list). Teams will have their own risk tolerance for flight risk Giannis. I doubt two years control is enough for teams to backup the brinks truck (who aren’t on Giannis’s list or after meeting with Giannis and his people aren’t X% convinced he would re-sign).

*Now if destination is on Giannis destination list AND said destination has the top end assets/package Bucks are looking for, this is the Goldilocks situation both parties would love.

I think the trade is happening next offseason. Bucks seem ready to ride out this season. Next offseason Giannis trade offers will be much less, and probably only from teams on his destination list. One year team control is very risky proposition for teams not on Giannis list. That would be the Kawhi to Toronto situation (DDR/Poeltl/protected 1st level package).

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

Cavs won't trade Mobley for Giannis. People can get mad about it if they want, but it's not something they'll entertain.

Edit: Also, why wouldn't the Bucks cut the Suns out of this?

[Wolveswin]

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

Cavs won't trade Mobley for Giannis. People can get mad about it if they want, but it's not something they'll entertain.

If Cleveland is on Giannis’s list and 100% says he will sign extension there, I don’t agree. At worst, it would not be as definitive decision as you are tying to make it seem.

That was my whole point, if Giannis will commit to places where he can win, it opens up a lot of scenarios. If he has a short list, it limits proposals - more so if the trade is next offseason with only one year control. Teams outside of the list will be super cautious in their offers.

[Wolveswin]

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

Edit: Also, why wouldn't the Bucks cut the Suns out of this?

Good question. I am one who thinks Mobley/Garland > Giannis in value. Bucks don’t have anything to up their offer attached to Giannis. Enter Suns. Plus helps with financials due to Cavs $ situation.

Garland > Green (but good value discussion) so Cavs get back some value in Grayson.

[jbk1234]

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

Edit: Also, why wouldn't the Bucks cut the Suns out of this?

Good question. I am one who thinks Mobley/Garland > Giannis in value. Bucks don’t have anything to up their offer attached to Giannis. Enter Suns. Plus helps with financials due to Cavs $ situation.

Garland > Green (but good value discussion) so Cavs get back some value in Grayson.

To answer your first question, no you're not the only one who thinks the Cavs package is worth more than Giannis. I can't believe you have them adding a first.

That aside, the difference between Garland and Green is not Grayson.

That aside, the Bucks should do everything they can to keep Garland so he can set the table for Mobley.

That aside, if the Bucks were dumb enough to trade Garland, the first call should be to Portland for their picks and either Scoot and filler or Jrue back. Those Bucks picks would look very different if the Bucks had Garland, Mobley, and Turner under team control for the duration.

The Suns have no business in this trade. They're stealing all kinds of value.

None of this matters anyway as the Cavs believe Mobley is on his way to becoming a top 10 player in the NBA this season and will continue to improve from there. They won't offer him.

[brackdan70]

The issue with 90% of these trades is going to be that Giannis has to actually want to go there. Like, I just saw someone mention Atlanta. Why is Giannis asking out just to go to Atlanta? Has any star player ever demanded a trade to Atlanta?

Does he have a no trade clause?

[Wolveswin]

Edit: Also, why wouldn't the Bucks cut the Suns out of this?

Good question. I am one who thinks Mobley/Garland > Giannis in value. Bucks don’t have anything to up their offer attached to Giannis. Enter Suns. Plus helps with financials due to Cavs $ situation.

Garland > Green (but good value discussion) so Cavs get back some value in Grayson.

To answer your first question, no you're not the only one who thinks the Cavs package is worth more than Giannis. I can't believe you have them adding a first.

That aside, the difference between Garland and Green is not Grayson.

That aside, the Bucks should do everything they can to keep Garland so he can set the table for Mobley.

That aside, if the Bucks were dumb enough to trade Garland, the first call should be to Portland for their picks and either Scoot and filler or Jrue back. Those Bucks picks would look very different if the Bucks had Garland, Mobley, and Turner under team control for the duration.

The Suns have no business in this trade. They're stealing all kinds of value.

None of this matters anyway as the Cavs believe Mobley is on his way to becoming a top 10 player in the NBA this season and will continue to improve from there. They won't offer him.

From what I am reading, you think Garland >> Green? And Grayson Allen doesn’t close the gap?

I don’t see any possible way Bucks can close the value gap of Mobley/Garland (by themselves). They have zero assets. Impossible scenario.

Blazers would be a nice third team. They are stacked at PG however - but maybe. I just don’t see it likely any team holding Bucks 1sts - and not getting Giannis directly - would trade picks back to Bucks. Said team rather see what a post Giannis world looks like in Milwaukee and see what becomes of those highly leveraged picks (why they valued them at time of trade after all).

For Cavs, if Giannis 100% commits, and Cavs can find perfect 3rd team to give back ++ value for Garland - they would entertain a Mobley trade. Maybe ultimately pass - but should and would entertain.

[Saul Goodman]

I think the Raptors would have the risk tolerance to do a Giannis deal considering how it worked with Kawhi



To Milwaukee
Scottie Barnes
Jakobe Walter
Gradey Dick
2026 raptors 1st
2028 raptors 1st
2030 raptors 1st
2028 Milwaukee 1st returned
2030 Milwaukee 1st returned



To Toronto
Giannis

To Portland
Collin Murray Boyles




The bucks stay slightly competitive with Barnes and get a ton of picks

[One_and_Done]

That is somewhat true.

If trade is happening today, with two years Giannis control, maybe teams still give top end true value for Giannis (despite what might be a Giannis destination list). Teams will have their own risk tolerance for flight risk Giannis. I doubt two years control is enough for teams to backup the brinks truck (who aren’t on Giannis’s list or after meeting with Giannis and his people aren’t X% convinced he would re-sign).

*Now if destination is on Giannis destination list AND said destination has the top end assets/package Bucks are looking for, this is the Goldilocks situation both parties would love.

I think the trade is happening next offseason. Bucks seem ready to ride out this season. Next offseason Giannis trade offers will be much less, and probably only from teams on his destination list. One year team control is very risky proposition for teams not on Giannis list. That would be the Kawhi to Toronto situation (DDR/Poeltl/protected 1st level package).

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

Has any star ever demanded a trade to Cleveland?

[JayMKE]

Giannis isn’t going to demand a trade period and he sure as hell isn’t going to demand a trade to another small market. Cleveland, San Antonio, Portland, wherever are total pipe dreams. His list if he were to leave would be NYC, LA, Miami like literally every other star in history. Those teams don’t have trade assets and aren’t going to sign him in FA either. Giannis will stay a Buck until he retires.

[redslastlaugh]

Lakers fans beg to differ
I've already seen quite a few Austin Reaves, Rui Hachimura, Knetch, expirings and 2031 1st for Giannis

before I say, "yea well Lakers fans are delusional, I remember what they spent for Pau Gasol and even Luka,"
lol, yall better not trade Giannis there, lol

Giannis isn’t going to demand a trade period and he sure as hell isn’t going to demand a trade to another small market. Cleveland, San Antonio, Portland, wherever are total pipe dreams. His list if he were to leave would be NYC, LA, Miami like literally every other star in history. Those teams don’t have trade assets and aren’t going to sign him in FA either. Giannis will stay a Buck until he retires.

[redslastlaugh]

At this point, I think Houston makes the most sense, if Houston wants to go all in, which who knows if they do

Houston trades:
FVV waives his NTC
Jabari
Tari
Reed
3 firsts

Milwaukee trades:
Giannis

and then Houston has
Amen
Holiday
KD
Giannis
Senguin

[LarsV8]

Sengun
FVV or Capela/Reed (less firsts sent out if Reed goes)
2 best picks in 2027 between BK, PHX, and Hou
2 best picks in 2029 between PHX, DAL, and Hou

Route Sengun to the Jazz for a bunch of firsts, which are then routed to NOP / POR to get the Bucks their picks back.

Bucks end up with bad contracts, their own picks back, and then the 4 good firsts via Houston.

That is a very solid jump start to a rebuild.

[Wolveswin]

Butler and Dame tried to force their way to one team, and one team only. If Giannis asks out, he's likely going to have a longer list of prestige destinations.

It depends on who is on Giannis’s list and what his true motivations are. If winning chips are his primary objective, no better landing spot than Cleveland.

To Suns: Garland/Kuzma/AJ Green

To Bucks: Mobley/Jalen Green/Strus/Cavs 1st

To Cavs: Giannis/Grayson/O’Neale
Allen
Giannis
Hunter
Grayson Allen
Mitchell
B: Ball, O’Neale, Merrill, Wade

Not a better team in East than that. Plus, I think, because Cavs save almost 21M (can get to almost 23M need be) in the trade, get below apron, and gain some exceptions back for additional moves?

Has any star ever demanded a trade to Cleveland?

You may want to read the whole exchange - not just the trade suggestion

[Wolveswin]

To Bucks: Brunson/OG/Hart/Knicks Draft Capital

To Blazers: Kuzma (2nds or something from Knicks)

To Knicks: Giannis/Holiday/AJ Green (Bucks filler)

Bucks stay super competitive in East.
Turner
Portis
OG
Hart
Brunson

Giannis lands where he wants to go - not getting paired with Brunson is his cost - but paired awesomely with Towns in Big Apple. For the pain of trading Brunson, Knicks get Giannis and backfill with Holiday.

Robinson
Towns
Giannis
Bridges
Holiday
6th: McBride (Robinson out - everyone slots up).