Update: It is time to trade Scottie Barnes before it's too late!

[DreamTeam09]

The problem is, he's plateaued. This seems to be it in terms of growth.

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

If you're ok with OG without a three @40M, the future is bright. I guess.

[DreamTeam09]

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

If you're ok with OG without a three @40M, the future is bright. I guess.

he scores just as well as og even without the 3 and dribbles the ball better

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

If you're ok with OG without a three @40M, the future is bright. I guess.

he scores just as well as og even without the 3 and dribbles the ball better

They both have to stand in the corner.

[Ackshun]

Some on Reddit compared him to Rondae Hollis Jefferson and now I can’t get it out of my head.

Not down on the kid but damn we blew the smoke up his azz early around here.

[Pointgod]

We should be open to the idea of it to fill other holes

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

[Pointgod]

"Scottie is holding back CMB" lol

We are going to get a lot of these types of posts because the FO loves drafting the same type of players, that don't compliment each other

Shhh. The front office is flawless and has never made mistakes….

[dballislife]

why only have one potential draymond like player switching 1 through 5 when you can have two??

i mean how many teams right now can say they have 2 players on their roster that can switch 1 through 5

[causal_fan]

"Scottie is holding back CMB" lol

We are going to get a lot of these types of posts because the FO loves drafting the same type of players, that don't compliment each other

To be fair, I don't think Barnes and CMB are the same type of players as Gradey & Walter - all recent FRP

[dballislife]

cmb and barnes are a match made in heaven on defense...and their offense should mesh well enough if both keep improving

[PushDaRock]

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

Can you come up with another player with a similar career development arc as him so far?

[PushDaRock]

He's not working on his game in the offseason, it's painfully obvious at this point.

If he just doesn't work on his game in the off season, that doesn't explain why he was better than expected in year 1 and 3 while worse than expected in year 2 and 4.

He got more touches, it's that simple.

He had his highest USG rate last season, so that doesn't make sense?

[PushDaRock]

We should be open to the idea of it to fill other holes

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

[S.W.A.N]

Only for a true star

This is valid.

In the right context anyone can be traded.

Outside of getting a Superstar back, talking about trading Scottie is just redonkulous.

We finally have the primary scorer to pair with Scottie and now people want make changed. So f'ing dumb. How about we actually let our players play before we turn on them.

[S.W.A.N]

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

I would say Scottie's defense is worth near max alone. If he provides same level of D as last year with modestly better offensive efficiency then he's absolutely a max player.

[DreamTeam09]

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

Can you come up with another player with a similar career development arc as him so far?

what does that have to do with anything? not everyone is put into the same positions. How many top 5 picks get drafted to playoff teams & then have their team rebuilt prior to their rookie extension commencing

[HangTime]

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

I see it other way, He's a super max player, only getting paid the max.
The reason he didn't get there last year is how difficult the were making it on him.

At the same time, he's delayed in his development because of his first 2 years, and the more dynamic the player is, the longer it takes to develop, which he's been rotating through.

Also do people really not want to see a what a Scottie/CMB pairing looks like on defence.

Scottie/CMB/Ingram trio overall?

[PushDaRock]

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

Can you come up with another player with a similar career development arc as him so far?

what does that have to do with anything? not everyone is put into the same positions. How many top 5 picks get drafted to playoff teams & then have their team rebuilt prior to their rookie extension commencing

Hence the original comment that he has had a very odd development arc.

[PushDaRock]

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

I would say Scottie's defense is worth near max alone. If he provides same level of D as last year with modestly better offensive efficiency then he's absolutely a max player.

Is he a better defender than Herb Jones? I would say no.

So, I can't really make that leap to where he can be worth the max on defense alone when someone who defends better than him isn't making close to that.

[PushDaRock]

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

I see it other way, He's a super max player, only getting paid the max.
The reason he didn't get there last year is how difficult the were making it on him.

At the same time, he's delayed in his development because of his first 2 years, and the more dynamic the player is, the longer it takes to develop, which he's been rotating through.

Also do people really not want to see a what a Scottie/CMB pairing looks like on defence.

Scottie/CMB/Ingram trio overall?

The more dynamic the player the longer it takes to develop? Examples?