Update: It is time to trade Scottie Barnes before it's too late!

[Raptors_Dynasty]

We should learn from the Scottie experience.

CMB needs to create his own opportunities, and command playing time through evident and consistent growth.

Show us clear growth -> increased playing time, responsibilities and money.

Not the inverse.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If he just doesn't work on his game in the off season, that doesn't explain why he was better than expected in year 1 and 3 while worse than expected in year 2 and 4.

He got more touches, it's that simple.

He had his highest USG rate last season, so that doesn't make sense?

Yeah it does, that's why I used the word plateaued. You can't give him more minutes and expect more production going forward. He's not growing. He's skill capped.

[PushDaRock]

He got more touches, it's that simple.

He had his highest USG rate last season, so that doesn't make sense?

Yeah it does, that's why I used the word plateaued. You can't give him more minutes and expect more production going forward. He's not growing. He's skill capped.

But, he had his biggest jump in USG in year 3 from year 2 and had his best season. At least for that one year he improved no?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He had his highest USG rate last season, so that doesn't make sense?

Yeah it does, that's why I used the word plateaued. You can't give him more minutes and expect more production going forward. He's not growing. He's skill capped.

But, he had his biggest jump in USG in year 3 from year 2 and had his best season. At least for that one year he improved no?

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

[bballsparkin]

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

Are you basing this not putting in the work thing due to the roller blade video of Scottie?

I mean I don't know if he's putting in the effort or not. I hope he is. He desperately needs some form of mid range game. Was DeMar trying on defence or did he not care? Dunno.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

Are you basing this not putting in the work thing due to the roller blade video of Scottie?

I mean I don't know if he's putting in the effort or not. I hope he is. He desperately needs some form of mid range game. Was DeMar trying on defence or did he not care? Dunno.

I mean, partially. Really it's based off of all his off seasons. Ever notice we don't see him working out much?

[bballsparkin]

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

Are you basing this not putting in the work thing due to the roller blade video of Scottie?

I mean I don't know if he's putting in the effort or not. I hope he is. He desperately needs some form of mid range game. Was DeMar trying on defence or did he not care? Dunno.

I mean, partially. Really it's based off of all his off seasons. Ever notice we don't see him working out much?

I don't really pay attention to the off season stuff. I've read comments about his trainer. It's a big season for Scottie. Time for him to shine so we shall see.

[M3tro]

I'd be open to trading him for a star guard if CMB proves he can fill those shoes.

[PushDaRock]

Yeah it does, that's why I used the word plateaued. You can't give him more minutes and expect more production going forward. He's not growing. He's skill capped.

But, he had his biggest jump in USG in year 3 from year 2 and had his best season. At least for that one year he improved no?

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

The point is you're saying he doesn't put in any work in the offseason but there's been years where he has come into the season improved from the offseason (rookie year and year 3). Nobody really knows how hard he actually works and endless reps doesn't mean you automatically become a good shooter. Curry isn't Curry only because he takes a ton of shots and works hard.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

They can try starting him with Barnes

Ingram
Quickley
Barnes
Murray-Boyles
Poeltl

[Boogie!]

scottie barnes: max player, hasn't developed since year 2, limited offensive game, horrible scoring efficiency
trade suggested: "stupid idea, you're nuts, ban the poster."

norman powell: role player money, elite shooter and offensive efficiency which he's shown for the last 3 years, in the best year of his career, finally breaks out as a starter and has great chemistry next to "core"
trade suggested: MEDIA IS OUTRIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, fans say trade him he's not worth the money in free agency, one dimensional, blame all the raptors defensive weakness solely on him, everyone can't wait to get rid of him.

the above norman powell example can also apply to siakam in some ways.

you guys are all sheeple that just continuously fall for the media talking points and general brainwashing from the public. can't think for yourselves. as soon as the media starts pushing the anti-scottie propaganda, watch how many of you start agreeing with the "haters." again always so behind the times and confidently arrogant.

[Yallbecrazy]

They can try starting him with Barnes

Ingram
Quickley
Barnes
Murray-Boyles
Poeltl

No, he can play with Barnes or with Poeltl, but not both. I expect him to get 20-25 minutes a game in the front court. He may end up finishing games in a 'death' lineup with Barnes, but you have 96 minutes in the PF/C spots and he will get a chunk alongside Poeltl and Barnes with Sandro getting the remainder at 10-15.

[Clutch0z24]

On another note so many people on this board were so wrong about Ace Bailey.....He looks like he will be great

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

But, he had his biggest jump in USG in year 3 from year 2 and had his best season. At least for that one year he improved no?

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

The point is you're saying he doesn't put in any work in the offseason but there's been years where he has come into the season improved from the offseason (rookie year and year 3). Nobody really knows how hard he actually works and endless reps doesn't mean you automatically become a good shooter. Curry isn't Curry only because he takes a ton of shots and works hard.

Rookie year, he's just the most NBA ready and he gets a ton of minutes. Year three, they clear out people. It's not meaningful growth that stays.

Growth is his game developing, I don't see that. He's not out there balling like Fred or Siakam or Derozan etc. Maybe he does that in private, but we can't see the results. I'm just not expecting growth any more at this point. It's a desire thing, he's not after it.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

The point is you're saying he doesn't put in any work in the offseason but there's been years where he has come into the season improved from the offseason (rookie year and year 3). Nobody really knows how hard he actually works and endless reps doesn't mean you automatically become a good shooter. Curry isn't Curry only because he takes a ton of shots and works hard.

Rookie year, he's just the most NBA ready and he gets a ton of minutes. Year three, they clear out people. It's not meaningful growth that stays.

Growth is his game developing, I don't see that. He's not out there balling like Fred or Siakam or Derozan etc. Maybe he does that in private, but we can't see the results. I'm just not expecting growth any more at this point. It's a desire thing, he's not after it.

Also, Curry is indeed one of the hardest workers.

[bballsparkin]

scottie barnes: max player, hasn't developed since year 2, limited offensive game, horrible scoring efficiency
trade suggested: "stupid idea, you're nuts, ban the poster."

What trade was suggested? Specifics, with who? Otherwise it's a meaningless sentence. I would never call you nuts. We ain't gonna survive unless, we get a little crazy

norman powell: role player money, elite shooter and offensive efficiency which he's shown for the last 3 years, in the best year of his career, finally breaks out as a starter and has great chemistry next to "core"
trade suggested: MEDIA IS OUTRIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, fans say trade him he's not worth the money in free agency, one dimensional, blame all the raptors defensive weakness solely on him, everyone can't wait to get rid of him.

In the swap, the Clippers deal Norman Powell to the Miami Heat, the Utah Jazz send John Collins to the Clippers and the Heat send Kevin Love, Kyle Anderson and a future Draft pick to Utah.

Not that big a deal. Most of us liked Norm. He's not a game changer. Sure, if you wanted a more competitive team he would have been better than taking a flyer on Gary. Congrats,... I guess.


the above norman powell example can also apply to siakam in some ways.

you guys are all sheeple that just continuously fall for the media talking points and general brainwashing from the public. can't think for yourselves. as soon as the media starts pushing the anti-scottie propaganda, watch how many of you start agreeing with the "haters." again always so behind the times and confidently arrogant.

you guys is a bad approach to posting online me thinks. have a nice summer!

[Reeko]

On another note so many people on this board were so wrong about Ace Bailey.....He looks like he will be great

Why? Because he scored well in two pre season games? lol.

[PushDaRock]

He wasn't able to hold it. That and they cleared everybody out, made him the first option.

Going forward, he's got to put the work in. That's what we're not seeing. Effort.

The point is you're saying he doesn't put in any work in the offseason but there's been years where he has come into the season improved from the offseason (rookie year and year 3). Nobody really knows how hard he actually works and endless reps doesn't mean you automatically become a good shooter. Curry isn't Curry only because he takes a ton of shots and works hard.

Rookie year, he's just the most NBA ready and he gets a ton of minutes. Year three, they clear out people. It's not meaningful growth that stays.

Growth is his game developing, I don't see that. He's not out there balling like Fred or Siakam or Derozan etc. Maybe he does that in private, but we can't see the results. I'm just not expecting growth any more at this point. It's a desire thing, he's not after it.

Why was he NBA ready though when he wasn't a star in college and every projection for him was as more of a long term project?

[Appostis]

People already ready to call him injury prone based off the team playing it safe during preseason

[Appostis]

On another note so many people on this board were so wrong about Ace Bailey.....He looks like he will be great

Why? Because he scored well in two pre season games? lol.

It's bad hot take season