BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[fatlever]

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[fatlever]

lee moved some of his long mid range "lmr" to 3pters... rightfully so
short mid range "smr" stayed same

[JMAC3]

I would tend to agree that schemed up sets to get Brandon midrange shots on the move seemed to be lower. I don't doubt that Brandon still attempted similar volume but how he was shooting them was not the same.

I think Clifford offense was more deliberate and you could see certain sets were designed for certain guys to get the ball and score. With Lee I think it is more so a flow of actions that are designed to create potential advantages but it is not as black and white...

[EmpireFalls]

Man… I remain completely unconvinced that this guy is even above average, let alone a foundational superstar piece.

He is a mid defender, passer, dribbler, finisher, and overall contributor. He gets bullied inside and gets put on skates by quick guards so he doesn’t really have a position to guard. He can do a pop-a-shot and he looks aesthetically good but his efficiency is trash.

He is effectively just like a tall Duncan Robinson right now. He doesn’t do anything for us as a creator or penetrator and he’s so so bad in the paint.

Idk if it’s our player development or what but I’m just not seeing it at all with him. It remains to be seen if he can improve but he is wildly overrated right now imo. He’s so unexceptional, for a star you need to see something tangibly great. In every respect he just lacks it, and I don’t see it getting much better.

[fatlever]

I think it's fair to give Miller a bit of a pass for a month or two as he works back from that wrist injury. Not being able to use his dominant shooting and dribbling hand for that long would impact pretty much anyone. But I think people expecting some kind of 3rd year leap from him really underestimated the impact of the injury.

[fatlever]

Miller's handles have always been a weakness. Two schools of thought here.
1. Let miller Handle the ball and try to build himself into more of a creator for himself and others, even if it's a weakness today, even if it results in some ugly turnovers
2. Scheme to get Miller shots that don't rely on him handling the ball. What Will Hardy did for Ace in that first Utah game is the blueprint for this. I saw somewhere that Ace had four half court dribbles on his Made baskets in that game. Hardy did a great job of designing ways to get ace shots that didn't require him pounding the ball. This is something we've never really seen Lee be able to design in a Hornet's offense, to date.

Try to build his weakness into his strength or turn one of his strengths into something elite? for now its probably worth trying to see if Miller can improve this weakness and turn it into a strength because when he does make passes he actually has a pretty good knack for finding teammates and is genuinely unselfish with the basketball. But the handles are rough and losing his right hand for eight months certainly didn't help that. Really not sure what the best answer is for getting the best out of Miller offensively.

[GoBobs]

Man… I remain completely unconvinced that this guy is even above average, let alone a foundational superstar piece.

He is a mid defender, passer, dribbler, finisher, and overall contributor. He gets bullied inside and gets put on skates by quick guards so he doesn’t really have a position to guard. He can do a pop-a-shot and he looks aesthetically good but his efficiency is trash.

He is effectively just like a tall Duncan Robinson right now. He doesn’t do anything for us as a creator or penetrator and he’s so so bad in the paint.

Idk if it’s our player development or what but I’m just not seeing it at all with him. It remains to be seen if he can improve but he is wildly overrated right now imo. He’s so unexceptional, for a star you need to see something tangibly great. In every respect he just lacks it, and I don’t see it getting much better.

No he isn't above average right now, but he still could be a foundational piece.

Dude is 22 years old, with an elite 3pt shot for a 6'9'' guy. He should just be a catch and shoot guy right now because that is all he is really elite at.

He should be in some off ball screens in the half court to get him some looks. He can be the roll man in a pick and roll where he can either pop or create in the short roll.

Most guys at 22 years old are not average starters.

Also, he is going to be fine. Shooters go through slumps. We have a big enough sample size on him to feel good about his shot.

[JustBuzzin]

Main reason I wanted Ace Bailey

I'm not sure Miller is going to develop into the player I thought he would be from his rookie season. He hasn't really improved since his rookie year. Weak handle, lack of shot creating, no playmaking skills.

We take Ace we could have used Miller in a significant trade down the line if Ace proved to be a superstar.

[yosemiteben]

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[JustBuzzin]

Lee is going to turn Miller into Mike Miller.

[EmpireFalls]

Main reason I wanted Ace Bailey

I'm not sure Miller is going to develop into the player I thought he would be from his rookie season. He hasn't really improved since his rookie year. Weak handle, lack of shot creating, no playmaking skills.

We take Ace we could have used Miller in a significant trade down the line if Ace proved to be a superstar.

You were right all along.

Ace looks like a bona fide superstar, just a stud in all aspects. He would probably have taken Miller’s starting spot this year

[KingCat]

Kinda weird to be turning on Brandom at this particular time. His hand injury probably made it so he could not do much basketball activity for half a year. Anyone expecting a big jump or noticeable improvement right away will be disappointed

[JMAC3]

Main reason I wanted Ace Bailey

I'm not sure Miller is going to develop into the player I thought he would be from his rookie season. He hasn't really improved since his rookie year. Weak handle, lack of shot creating, no playmaking skills.

We take Ace we could have used Miller in a significant trade down the line if Ace proved to be a superstar.

You were right all along.

Ace looks like a bona fide superstar, just a stud in all aspects. He would probably have taken Miller’s starting spot this year

Can you imagine if we had both him and Ace and both deserved to start on this team? What a disaster that would be...

This is a big part I didn't understand the anti-Ace takes, which team in the NBA is against having two 6-8 wings that can shoot, defend and score.

[wilson115]

This is a big part I didn't understand the anti-Ace takes, which team in the NBA is against having two 6-8 wings that can shoot, defend and score.

You mean like the ones we drafted #2 and #6 two years straight? Begs the question if you aren't trying to oversimplify things for your agenda.

[JMAC3]

This is a big part I didn't understand the anti-Ace takes, which team in the NBA is against having two 6-8 wings that can shoot, defend and score.

You mean like the ones we drafted #2 and #6 two years straight? Begs the question if you aren't trying to oversimplify things for your agenda.

I can't even tell what this sentence is trying to say

[JustBuzzin]

Main reason I wanted Ace Bailey

I'm not sure Miller is going to develop into the player I thought he would be from his rookie season. He hasn't really improved since his rookie year. Weak handle, lack of shot creating, no playmaking skills.

We take Ace we could have used Miller in a significant trade down the line if Ace proved to be a superstar.

You were right all along.

Ace looks like a bona fide superstar, just a stud in all aspects. He would probably have taken Miller’s starting spot this year

Can you imagine if we had both him and Ace and both deserved to start on this team? What a disaster that would be...

This is a big part I didn't understand the anti-Ace takes, which team in the NBA is against having two 6-8 wings that can shoot, defend and score.

Yeah not sure why people were against it as if having 2 scoring wings is a bad thing.

Sucks we didn't draft him, but it is what it is you live and you learn lol

[JMAC3]

You were right all along.

Ace looks like a bona fide superstar, just a stud in all aspects. He would probably have taken Miller’s starting spot this year

Can you imagine if we had both him and Ace and both deserved to start on this team? What a disaster that would be...

This is a big part I didn't understand the anti-Ace takes, which team in the NBA is against having two 6-8 wings that can shoot, defend and score.

Yeah not sure why people were against it as if having 2 scoring wings is a bad thing.

Sucks we didn't draft him, but it is what it is you live and you learn lol

I'm not even saying Kon will be a terrible pick, but so far if you look at Bailey vs Kon to me it is very evident the ceilings as players is very different. Drafting for fit in the top 5 of the draft is just such a bad process and I think we will pay the price, but you just hope the front office is smarter moving forward.

[JustBuzzin]

Can you imagine if we had both him and Ace and both deserved to start on this team? What a disaster that would be...

This is a big part I didn't understand the anti-Ace takes, which team in the NBA is against having two 6-8 wings that can shoot, defend and score.

Yeah not sure why people were against it as if having 2 scoring wings is a bad thing.

Sucks we didn't draft him, but it is what it is you live and you learn lol

I'm not even saying Kon will be a terrible pick, but so far if you look at Bailey vs Kon to me it is very evident the ceilings as players is very different. Drafting for fit in the top 5 of the draft is just such a bad process and I think we will pay the price, but you just hope the front office is smarter moving forward.

Especially when we were already lacking in talent. You 100% take the BPA. If we had concerns about Miller/Ace fitting together you deal with that down the line.

I agree Kon will be a solid pick no worries about him, but the ceiling is just higher with Ace. It was clear as day.

[yosemiteben]

Please keep the Ace talk in the Around the NBA thread, no reason for him to be brought up here.

[JustBuzzin]

Yes sir boss