Update: It is time to trade Scottie Barnes before it's too late!

[mademan]

They are a small market team, in the West, in middle America. They are absolutely going to get squeezed by the tax, and in the West, that will eliminate their ability to compete, as their core (SGA, JDub & Chet) are not physical enough to withstand the grind of multiple playoff rounds.

The most obvious guy to keep would be IH, but Dort is probably the player closest to SGA. And keeping one is still going to cost them significant tax dollars.

Also, as much as Durant talked about how much he enjoyed OKC, that didn't stop him from jumping ship when he had the chance.

Their best chance to compete will be this season. After that, it will all start to fall apart.

The tax implications are serious. Even owners with deep pockets are avoiding it (Warriors, Celtics, etc.).

They would still be a good team, just not a true contender.

I could see a SGA for Barnes & Quickley swap, with more salary filler on the OKC side. Premise of the deal though is SGA demands a trade out 2 years from now, and pushes for a trade home.

Barnes and IQ would complement JDub and Chet.

So worried about the tax implications, OKC would trade for 70mill in contracts? Raps dont have the cheap young talent or picks if, for some crazy reason, Shai left the best situation in basketball

They would be breaking SGA’s supermax deal into two players (Barnes and IQ). They save the tax payments by cutting IH & Dort after next season, when both players are on team options.

Again, premise is OKC is not willing to pay $184M in tax, and starts to strip down the team eliminating them from being contenders. They compete this season, start the strip down the following season, and after that season SGA asks for a trade.

If you are worried about tax, the last thing you do is trade for 2 overpaid players. If and when OKC feels the tax crunch, you can be damn sure that Shai will not be the one hitting the market. They'll retool by trading one of Chet/Jdub for cheap rookie contracts and picks and decide against trading the MVP/FMVP who brought their first title and is still only 26. This is a fanciful idea

[Jeremy Lin 7]

Only for a true star

This is valid.

In the right context anyone can be traded.

Outside of getting a Superstar back, talking about trading Scottie is just redonkulous.

We finally have the primary scorer to pair with Scottie and now people want make changed. So f'ing dumb. How about we actually let our players play before we turn on them.

Nah this fanbase would rather be miserable and find the next player to be traded. After Barnes is gone, CMB is next to be traded.

[anotherhomer]

Only for a true star

This is valid.

In the right context anyone can be traded.

Outside of getting a Superstar back, talking about trading Scottie is just redonkulous.

We finally have the primary scorer to pair with Scottie and now people want make changed. So f'ing dumb. How about we actually let our players play before we turn on them.

Nah this fanbase would rather be miserable and find the next player to be traded. After Barnes is gone, CMB is next to be traded.

i wouldn't trade scottie, he helps the team win, he's the kyle lowry minus shooting and scoring

but for 50M, he's not untouchable and available for the right price

[mademan]

Only for a true star

This is valid.

In the right context anyone can be traded.

Outside of getting a Superstar back, talking about trading Scottie is just redonkulous.

We finally have the primary scorer to pair with Scottie and now people want make changed. So f'ing dumb. How about we actually let our players play before we turn on them.

Nah this fanbase would rather be miserable and find the next player to be traded. After Barnes is gone, CMB is next to be traded.

Scottie is going into his 5th year and is currently not worth his contract. All the criticism at this point is fair.

[LoveMyRaps]

This is valid.

In the right context anyone can be traded.

Outside of getting a Superstar back, talking about trading Scottie is just redonkulous.

We finally have the primary scorer to pair with Scottie and now people want make changed. So f'ing dumb. How about we actually let our players play before we turn on them.

Nah this fanbase would rather be miserable and find the next player to be traded. After Barnes is gone, CMB is next to be traded.

Scottie is going into his 5th year and is currently not worth his contract. All the criticism at this point is fair.

His extension kicks in this season, and the regular season hasn't even began. So no, you can't just conclude that he's not worth his contract at this point.

[S.W.A.N]

Nah this fanbase would rather be miserable and find the next player to be traded. After Barnes is gone, CMB is next to be traded.

Scottie is going into his 5th year and is currently not worth his contract. All the criticism at this point is fair.

His extension kicks in this season, and the regular season hasn't even began. So no, you can't just conclude that he's not worth his contract at this point.

Hey, don't bring logic into this conversation. That isn't what the people want!!

[mademan]

Scottie is going into his 5th year and is currently not worth his contract. All the criticism at this point is fair.

His extension kicks in this season, and the regular season hasn't even began. So no, you can't just conclude that he's not worth his contract at this point.

Hey, don't bring logic into this conversation. That isn't what the people want!!

What do you guys mean? He was paid before last year then had a disappointing season. Paid mostly on potential and didnt improve (and actually was worse). He's overpaid because he wouldnt get this contract on the open market for his current play. Scottie has not shown for more than a small stretch that he's capable of giving 40mill/year worth of value. If i cant critique that, what can i critique?

[tsherkin]

His extension kicks in this season, and the regular season hasn't even began. So no, you can't just conclude that he's not worth his contract at this point.

Hey, don't bring logic into this conversation. That isn't what the people want!!

What do you guys mean? He was paid before last year then had a disappointing season. Paid mostly on potential and didnt improve (and actually was worse). He's overpaid because he wouldnt get this contract on the open market for his current play. Scottie has not shown for more than a small stretch that he's capable of giving 40mill/year worth of value. If i cant critique that, what can i critique?

I think evaluating him based on a preseason game where he played 20 minutes probably isn't the right move. Especially since the whole team looked like a dumpster fire on offense in this one. He certainly didn't look great last year, but let's get him a few games in the actual season before we care too much, you know? Legit minutes, a normal rotation, etc, etc.

[tsherkin]

It took 2 pre season games.

We should probably be chilling on that one until we see real games. Scottie didn't dress in the first one and he played 20 minutes against Washington on a night where the whole team looked like a JV squad. I know we all have our opinions about Scottie, and Lord knows I'm not a fan of him in any kind of scoring role, but the season hasn't even started.

[tsherkin]

Aces jumper looks smoooooooth. Moves so well for a 6’10 athlete.

He isn't 6'10.

He was 6'7.5" at the Combine without shoes. He's a classically-sized wing, and he moves reasonably well for one.

On another note so many people on this board were so wrong about Ace Bailey.....He looks like he will be great

Lots of guys have looked good and/or bad during the preseason. These games aren't worth caring about any more than the Summer League. We need 20-40 games into the season before we'll have any kind of semi-reasonable notion of what's going on with Ace... and there's still a good chance he'll be ass if they feature him prominently through his rookie season... and might still turn out well after that, depending on the particulars. Neither Lebron nor Durant were lighting the world up with the efficacy of their scoring as rookies, and both were considerably better prospects than Bailey, you know?

Too early. Every year. Every season, for ever, people try to draw inferences way too early, and it's hasty and premature every time.

[mademan]

Hey, don't bring logic into this conversation. That isn't what the people want!!

What do you guys mean? He was paid before last year then had a disappointing season. Paid mostly on potential and didnt improve (and actually was worse). He's overpaid because he wouldnt get this contract on the open market for his current play. Scottie has not shown for more than a small stretch that he's capable of giving 40mill/year worth of value. If i cant critique that, what can i critique?

I think evaluating him based on a preseason game where he played 20 minutes probably isn't the right move. Especially since the whole team looked like a dumpster fire on offense in this one. He certainly didn't look great last year, but let's get him a few games in the actual season before we care too much, you know? Legit minutes, a normal rotation, etc, etc.

I have no problem waiting and I havent even said we should trade him. I just said he shouldnt be untouchable anymore and that he's currently overpaid. Players always have a chance to turn it around. Im pessimistic, but im pessimistic on the roster as a whole (Ingram, CMB and a few other bit players excluded), so waiting is fine.

[Son Goku 25]

Won't happen this early but we should be looking at all options at this point.

[tsherkin]

I have no problem waiting and I havent even said we should trade him. I just said he shouldnt be untouchable anymore and that he's currently overpaid. Players always have a chance to turn it around. Im pessimistic, but im pessimistic on the roster as a whole (Ingram, CMB and a few other bit players excluded), so waiting is fine.

Sure, the idea that he was untouchable was always fairly daft to begin with, of course. He's presently overpaid, I agree, but if nothing else, we need time to establish his actual value in regular season play with his regular rotation around him so he can put his best foot forward, etc.

We aren't a title contender, this is known. I think a particularly good season would be anything from 45 wins and up, you know? So we do need to keep that in mind. But yeah, my comment was less about you and more for the thread as a whole

[Kobe Anunoby]

Aces jumper looks smoooooooth. Moves so well for a 6’10 athlete.

He isn't 6'10.

He was 6'7.5" at the Combine without shoes. He's a classically-sized wing, and he moves reasonably well for one.

On another note so many people on this board were so wrong about Ace Bailey.....He looks like he will be great

Lots of guys have looked good and/or bad during the preseason. These games aren't worth caring about any more than the Summer League. We need 20-40 games into the season before we'll have any kind of semi-reasonable notion of what's going on with Ace... and there's still a good chance he'll be ass if they feature him prominently through his rookie season... and might still turn out well after that, depending on the particulars. Neither Lebron nor Durant were lighting the world up with the efficacy of their scoring as rookies, and both were considerably better prospects than Bailey, you know?

Too early. Every year. Every season, for ever, people try to draw inferences way too early, and it's hasty and premature every time.

Just looked at his combine measurements and you are right he is 6’7. But at the same time he’s 19 and still likely growing.
It is pretty early to declare him a stud or bust right now, but the kid doesn’t look out of place. I find it funny how people talk like he’s the next thon maker.

[dballislife]

he struggled dribbling by defenders and hitting the 3 last season, and now, hes struggling to dribble by defenders and hit the 3

after last season i kissed a 25ppg player goodbye...was hoping he could still be a 20ppg player...but now just hoping for efficient 15 with great d

[PushDaRock]

he struggled dribbling by defenders and hitting the 3 last season, and now, hes struggling to dribble by defenders and hit the 3

after last season i kissed a 25ppg player goodbye...was hoping he could still be a 20ppg player...but now just hoping for efficient 15 with great d

If he could be 15 ppg at 60 TS%, sign me up.

[dballislife]

he struggled dribbling by defenders and hitting the 3 last season, and now, hes struggling to dribble by defenders and hit the 3

after last season i kissed a 25ppg player goodbye...was hoping he could still be a 20ppg player...but now just hoping for efficient 15 with great d

If he could be 15 ppg at 60 TS%, sign me up.

if cmb and barnes can give us around 15 ppg on high true shooting percentages, to go along with great defense, we should be super happy

[CPT]

If not for the extension, are people thinking he'd have gotten the Kuminga/Giddey treatment as an RFA?

I think Brooklyn would have thrown a max at him, and maybe some other teams would have tried to move things around to make an offer.

RFA is weird though, so who knows.

[Thaddy]

If not for the extension, are people thinking he'd have gotten the Kuminga/Giddey treatment as an RFA?

I think Brooklyn would have thrown a max at him, and maybe some other teams would have tried to move things around to make an offer.

RFA is weird though, so who knows.

No way. He has far too much floor impact from his defense and transition play. The offense isn't great but he's still a strong floor impact player.

He was the best player on the team today and a big reason why we won. He's worth his deal and would get it again. This is also preseason.

Casual fans look at scoring and think some players are great. Barnes is the opposite of empty calories.

[Darkseid]

Think we gotta give it some time. See how the team looks together.

If same result and no progress then next season I would explore it.