Kat/OG for Giannis/Kuzma

[Toine85]

Knicks don’t have the picks to get Giannis but they could offer up a 2x All-NBA Third Team player and an All-Defensive Second Team player, which would create a formidable frontcourt with Myles Turner, KAT, OG at the C/PF/SF spots.

The Knicks would probably add in their tradeable first and the three available swaps too just to go all-in on a championship this year.

[Godaddycurse]

Milwaukee passes. Who is going to create offense for that team?

[LarsV8]

Don't think it is particularly close.

Towns and OG are both good players, but both fairly overpaid, which diminishes their value quite a bit, in practice. A rebuilding team like the Bucks would have no use for them, so then they would need to route them elsewhere for rebuilding pieces.

And then the question would be, who is bidding on these guys?

Teams who would theoretically want these two two as players, would likely also PROBABLY be cap conscious, so I doubt anyone would spend serious assets on them. Someone might take them for free, or use a pick or two to exchange them for a bad contract, but at the end of the day, I imagine the assets that the Bucks would end up with, when the dust settles, would be fairly underwhelming.

[JRoy]

This is multiple FRP short even if MIL like KAT and OG.

[SNPA]

OG to Sac for picks and trinkets. If that helps.

[QMemphis]

Milwaukee then becomes a playin team likely missing playoffs with no control of their picks or any young talent to sale fanbase on. That’s a brutal situation.

[babyjax13]

I also don't have this as particularly close.

[tmorgan]

Primed to win teams like New York that lack tradable picks and have very good but properly paid players (except perhaps Brunson) just can’t put together a package for a top 5 guy unless that guy puts the squeeze on his current team. Can’t see Giannis doing that, so I doubt GA to NY happens unless it’s free agency.

[Domejandro]

I wonder if there is a way to bridge this through a third team. For example...

MLK: Karl-Anthony Towns and picks
OUT: Giannis Antetokoumnpo

NYK: Giannis Antetokoumnpo and Jerami Grant
OUT: Karl-Anthony Towns, OG Anunoby, and remaining available picks/swaps

POR: OG Anunoby
OUT: Jerami Grant, returned Milwaukee 2028/2030 swaps, and Milwaukee's 2029 FRP

I think that it is a bit light from Portland and not ideal for Milwaukee, but that's an entry-level framework.

[JRoy]

Milwaukee then becomes a playin team likely missing playoffs with no control of their picks or any young talent to sale fanbase on. That’s a brutal situation.

It really is.

Turner would have solid value. Not much else on the roster worth moving.

[JRoy]

I wonder if there is a way to bridge this through a third team. For example...

MLK: Karl-Anthony Towns and picks
OUT: Giannis Antetokoumnpo

NYK: Giannis Antetokoumnpo and Jerami Grant
OUT: Karl-Anthony Towns, OG Anunoby, and remaining available picks/swaps

POR: OG Anunoby
OUT: Jerami Grant, returned Milwaukee 2028/2030 swaps, and Milwaukee's 2029 FRP

I think that it is a bit light from Portland and not ideal for Milwaukee, but that's an entry-level framework.

POR isn’t doing that when we already have Deni and Camara at F. Better to hope those picks pan out and move Grant in a separate deal when/if we can.

[schaffy]

I think you'd have to switch out OG for Bridges and McBride to get Milwaukee some amount of replacement ball handling and offensive creation to even be able to try and run an offensive system.

But as someone else said, I just dont see how a straight deal between these 2 works. Milwaukee doesn't have their own picks -- and at this point they are scattered enough that it would be hard to get them back -- so would need actual young talent to have any type of future since they cant draft them. And the Knicks don't have that - they've got older vets on long-term deals. Dont see Dadiet or Kolek as needle-movers in this situation.

[cgf]

I guess it depends on Milwaukee’s plans, but this doesn’t feel like the right package for them or a move that makes us better.

[wegotthabeet]

If Gianni gets traded it will be for something like this. Yes, the value is off, but it’s realistic for many reasons.

[mademan]

I think you'd have to switch out OG for Bridges and McBride to get Milwaukee some amount of replacement ball handling and offensive creation to even be able to try and run an offensive system.

But as someone else said, I just dont see how a straight deal between these 2 works. Milwaukee doesn't have their own picks -- and at this point they are scattered enough that it would be hard to get them back -- so would need actual young talent to have any type of future since they cant draft them. And the Knicks don't have that - they've got older vets on long-term deals. Dont see Dadiet or Kolek as needle-movers in this situation.

I think they would need moderately equal good picks as to the ones they'd receive if they had their own, and that makes Houston the target. Getting a few of those Suns picks with a building block like Sengun is probably as good as they can get. Spurs are another as they have a lot of picks, though not great ones, but they can give rookie scale contract guys like Bryant and/or Castle as building blocks with those picks.

If he gets traded, i expect it will be to Texas. Hell, if theyre considering KAT/OG, i call them up if im Dallas and I offer the Luka package (AD/Christie/LA 1st) which is think is better too. I think AD has better resale value as teams believe in him being able to help you win in the playoffs more than KAT

[cgf]

If Gianni gets traded it will be for something like this. Yes, the value is off, but it’s realistic for many reasons.

Like I said, depends on what Milwaukee is thinking. They should probably go for the best bluechipper + futures package they can get, trying to swap back for their picks, and sell the fans on going full OKC for a handful of years.

…but if ownership wants a playoff caliber team and they can pull an exciting young guard out of their ass, then a KAT-Turner big man duo with OG or Mikal at the 3, and Deuce next to that other young guard; could leave them with something to get fans in the doors.

[cgf]

I think you'd have to switch out OG for Bridges and McBride to get Milwaukee some amount of replacement ball handling and offensive creation to even be able to try and run an offensive system.

But as someone else said, I just dont see how a straight deal between these 2 works. Milwaukee doesn't have their own picks -- and at this point they are scattered enough that it would be hard to get them back -- so would need actual young talent to have any type of future since they cant draft them. And the Knicks don't have that - they've got older vets on long-term deals. Dont see Dadiet or Kolek as needle-movers in this situation.

I think they would need moderately equal good picks as to the ones they'd receive if they had their own, and that makes Houston the target. Getting a few of those Suns picks with a building block like Sengun is probably as good as they can get. Spurs are another as they have a lot of picks, though not great ones, but they can give rookie scale contract guys like Bryant and/or Castle as building blocks with those picks.

If he gets traded, i expect it will be to Texas. Hell, if theyre considering KAT/OG, i call them up if im Dallas and I offer the Luka package (AD/Christie/LA 1st) which is think is better too. I think AD has better resale value as teams believe in him being able to help you win in the playoffs more than KAT

I’m curious if that’s still true given how long it’s been since AD has actually helped a team win in the playoffs and that KAT was just excellent while taking a second straight team to the conference finals.

Personally I think his defense means he needs to be a 4…even with the improvements we saw down the stretch in games during that run…but in recent years having towns as your #2 has lead to more playoff wins than having AD as your #2.

[giannis and 1]

Knicks don’t have the picks to get Giannis but they could offer up a 2x All-NBA Third Team player and an All-Defensive Second Team player, which would create a formidable frontcourt with Myles Turner, KAT, OG at the C/PF/SF spots.

The Knicks would probably add in their tradeable first and the three available swaps too just to go all-in on a championship this year.

Throw in Bridges and whatever picks you have left.

[Wolveswin]

What Giannis is traded for has nothing to do with what Bucks want. It’s what others are willing to pay, which has a lot to do when Giannis is traded.

Will Bucks have multiple Giannis offers to choose from? Sure. Logical. What they want of those packages from what others are willing to pay is their choice.

But when Giannis is traded alters offers tremendously. Giannis has 2x years team control right now. Then choice is his where he ends up. I don’t think, however, Giannis is being traded this year. Bucks seem set to play season with current roster and see what happens this season - then deal with Giannis next offseason. So…

We are talking trade offers for 1x guaranteed year of Giannis. Then he has all the leverage. One year of Giannis control means the blue chip proposals dry up. No team is trading a rookie contract (or 2nd contract) blue chipper for 1x year Giannis. Offers will be in line with what Spurs got from Raptors for a 1x year Kawhi. With this Knicks offer (OP) probably one of the best on the table.

[jbk1234]

What Giannis is traded for has nothing to do with what Bucks want. It’s what others are willing to pay, which has a lot to do when Giannis is traded.

Will Bucks have multiple Giannis offers to choose from? Sure. Logical. What they want of those packages from what others are willing to pay is their choice.

But when Giannis is traded alters offers tremendously. Giannis has 2x years team control right now. Then choice is his where he ends up. I don’t think, however, Giannis is being traded this year. Bucks seem set to play season with current roster and see what happens this season - then deal with Giannis next offseason. So…

We are talking trade offers for 1x guaranteed year of Giannis. Then he has all the leverage. One year of Giannis control means the blue chip proposals dry up. No team is trading a rookie contract (or 2nd contract) blue chipper for 1x year Giannis. Offers will be in line with what Spurs got from Raptors for a 1x year Kawhi. With this Knicks offer (OP) probably one of the best on the table.

I mean if he's traded to somewhere he wants to go, he can agree to extend as part of the trade. But if KAT and OG is the offer with 2 guaranteed playoff runs, it's not like NYC will pull it next summer. They've got to salary match anyway.

The other thing to consider is that teams like the Knicks have no realistic way of opening up the cap space to sign him outright. If the offers are meh, the Bucks could theoretically keep him on the roster while paying off two seasons of their pick debt and Dame's cap hit. If his preferred destination needs help the summer after next, the Bucks can still extract some value then. I don't think that's a good plan, but it's an option.

You're assuming that blue chip prospects are on the table now for him, but if that's the case, those offers haven't leaked.