Miami/Char/Utah

[pipfan]

This is building on the "Kessler to Char" thread-I think the Hornets should go for it
Miami is always looking to compete
Jazz take a step back, but free up a TON of $ and add more picks

Utah sends Kessler/Lauri to Char
Utah gets Rozier/Salaun/JGreen/Char 2026 unprotected 1st, plus the Dallas 2027 pick and the Miami 2027 pick (now top 10 instead of top 14 protected)

Miami trades Rozier to Utah and makes their 2027 1st top 10 instead of top 14 protected pick (it's unprotected 2028)
Miami gets MBridges

Char trades their 2026 1st plus the Dallas and Miami picks to Jazz, along with Salaun/JGreen
Char gets Lauri/Kessler

Utah has one more full tank year. They would have TONS of picks/cap space/young talent to start over in 2026-27. They make this year about all the young pieces-a tryout year

Miami gets a big talent upgrade cheaply and they save $1.6 million this season, which is more due to the lux tax savings

Char goes for the 2nd round. Melo/Mann/Miller/Lauri/Kessler, with a bench of Sexton, GrantW, Kon, PatC, plus plenty of other pieces

[red4hf]

What are the Jazz going to do with their "TONS" of cap space? Who have the Jazz been able to sign?

That Charlotte pick becomes much less interesting with Laurie and Walker there...... And the rest is "meh" and that's putting it mildly......

In the end, this just doesn't come close for the Jazz......

[pipfan]

Utah adds 3 more picks and has A TON of cap space to play with
They can absorb bad contracts next summer and facilitate deals

They have a young lineup of
Collier/Clayton
George/CWilliams
Ace/Sensabaugh
Henricks/Salaun
Flip/Mo Bamba
They have vets of Anderson, Love, JGreen, Nurkic, Niang, Svi to help lead them

Their picks they would have would be
Utah 2026 pick (top 5), Char 2026 unprotected pick, 2026 Minny/Clev,
2027 Utah, 2027 Minny/Clev, 2027 Laker (top 4), 2027 Dallas (top 2), 2027 Miami (top 10, then unprotected in 2028)
2028 Utah and maybe the Miami unprotected pick (if it doesn't convert in 2027), plus a swap option with Clev (almost for sure useless)
2029 Utah, 2029 Clev/Minny swap option (almost for sure useless)
2030 Utah
2031 Utah, 2031 Suns' unprotected

That's 8 extra picks and all their own (except their 2026 pick is owed to OKC top 8 protected)

With lots of cap space, tons of young talent and all those extra picks-Utah could build something awesome.

[red4hf]

Utah adds 3 more picks and has A TON of cap space to play with
They can absorb bad contracts next summer and facilitate deals

They have a young lineup of
Collier/Clayton
George/CWilliams
Ace/Sensabaugh
Henricks/Salaun
Flip/Mo Bamba
They have vets of Anderson, Love, JGreen, Nurkic, Niang, Svi to help lead them

Their picks they would have would be
Utah 2026 pick (top 5), Char 2026 unprotected pick, 2026 Minny/Clev,
2027 Utah, 2027 Minny/Clev, 2027 Laker (top 4), 2027 Dallas (top 2), 2027 Miami (top 10, then unprotected in 2028)
2028 Utah and maybe the Miami unprotected pick (if it doesn't convert in 2027), plus a swap option with Clev (almost for sure useless)
2029 Utah, 2029 Clev/Minny swap option (almost for sure useless)
2030 Utah
2031 Utah, 2031 Suns' unprotected

That's 8 extra picks and all their own (except their 2026 pick is owed to OKC top 8 protected)

With lots of cap space, tons of young talent and all those extra picks-Utah could build something awesome.

So, the Jazz will use the cap space to take on bad contracts, meaning bad players, then what? Do that again when those contracts expire, and hope we draft someone as good as Laurie and Walker with the picks we got? And what happens with the Charlotte pick if it's not conveyed?

[SA37]

Nothing wrong with this trade from a value standpoint for Miami, but I don't see Miami having much interest in Bridges.

Collin Sexton and/or Grant Williams would be players Miami would have more of an interest in, I think. So maybe a swap where it's Rozier, Fontecchio, pick protection dropped to 10 for Sexton and Williams.

Not sure if Miami wouldn't prefer the cap room vs Williams, but he's only on the books for 1 more year beyond this season and seems like the kind of player who fits Heat culture.

[pipfan]

Utah adds 3 more picks and has A TON of cap space to play with
They can absorb bad contracts next summer and facilitate deals

They have a young lineup of
Collier/Clayton
George/CWilliams
Ace/Sensabaugh
Henricks/Salaun
Flip/Mo Bamba
They have vets of Anderson, Love, JGreen, Nurkic, Niang, Svi to help lead them

Their picks they would have would be
Utah 2026 pick (top 5), Char 2026 unprotected pick, 2026 Minny/Clev,
2027 Utah, 2027 Minny/Clev, 2027 Laker (top 4), 2027 Dallas (top 2), 2027 Miami (top 10, then unprotected in 2028)
2028 Utah and maybe the Miami unprotected pick (if it doesn't convert in 2027), plus a swap option with Clev (almost for sure useless)
2029 Utah, 2029 Clev/Minny swap option (almost for sure useless)
2030 Utah
2031 Utah, 2031 Suns' unprotected

That's 8 extra picks and all their own (except their 2026 pick is owed to OKC top 8 protected)

With lots of cap space, tons of young talent and all those extra picks-Utah could build something awesome.

So, the Jazz will use the cap space to take on bad contracts, meaning bad players, then what? Do that again when those contracts expire, and hope we draft someone as good as Laurie and Walker with the picks we got? And what happens with the Charlotte pick if it's not conveyed?

Char 2026 pick is unprotected-which makes it very valuable. Easily could be a top 8 pick (I think Char would make the playoffs, but the could easily be in the bottom 10)

[Crazy-Canuck]

If Miami is taking bridges, im assuming you have wiggins going out in a separate trade.

[BBallFreak]

This is of no interest to me. I'm not accepting Bridges on this team, and I don't think we should be paying him next year. I'll take the cap space, personally...

[babyjax13]

I would do this. I actually think it is more attractive not adjusting the Miami protections. If they miss the playoffs in 2027 there is a decent chance it happens again in 2028 and we have all the upside.

[babyjax13]

But also, Bridges coming directly to us is not something I want no matter how lopsided a trade might be, so a third team or different filler is needed.

[BBallFreak]

But also, Bridges coming directly to us is not something I want no matter how lopsided a trade might be, so a third team or different filler is needed.

And that's the problem. This trade assumes a value to Bridges that doesn't exist. OP has Miami taking him in exchange for an admittedly bad expiring contract while changing protections on a pick in the other team's favor. That assumes that Bridges has more value than Rozier. I'd, personally, rather the expiring contract than the headache I have to deal with next season. In short, we keep Rozier and take our medicine this year, or take bridges and draw out the pain.

And I'm not sure this deal sees him start. We have Powell, Herro, and Wiggins along with a couple of prospects in Larsson and Jacquez, so we're doing this for a guy who doesn't fit positionally. What about that lineup says we need another starting caliber wing (which assumes he's starting caliber, but I digress)?

[bkohler]

Gets more complicated but looping in a fourth team like LAL to take bridges makes sense here.

[BBallFreak]

Gets more complicated but looping in a fourth team like LAL to take bridges makes sense here.

What are they sending Miami that has them remotely interested?

[GoBobs]

Gets more complicated but looping in a fourth team like LAL to take bridges makes sense here.

What are they sending Miami that has them remotely interested?

The Hornets would rather send out Sexton than Bridges anyway. Miami doesn't need to be in the deal. Jazz are already getting plenty of value.

I would rather not trade for those guys though. If Miami wants to trade Bam I would give ups some picks and stuff. It probably takes a player of at least that level for the Hornets to become buyers.

[BBallFreak]

Gets more complicated but looping in a fourth team like LAL to take bridges makes sense here.

What are they sending Miami that has them remotely interested?

The Hornets would rather send out Sexton than Bridges anyway. Miami doesn't need to be in the deal. Jazz are already getting plenty of value.

I would rather not trade for those guys though. If Miami wants to trade Bam I would give ups some picks and stuff. It probably takes a player of at least that level for the Hornets to become buyers.

I mean no offense but you don't have the assets to get us to give up the guy we're building around.

[GoBobs]

What are they sending Miami that has them remotely interested?

The Hornets would rather send out Sexton than Bridges anyway. Miami doesn't need to be in the deal. Jazz are already getting plenty of value.

I would rather not trade for those guys though. If Miami wants to trade Bam I would give ups some picks and stuff. It probably takes a player of at least that level for the Hornets to become buyers.

I mean no offense but you don't have the assets to get us to give up the guy we're building around.

well you probably need to consider rebuilding or reloading...

hard to see the heat putting a contender together with Bam and Herro as the best players

[BBallFreak]

The Hornets would rather send out Sexton than Bridges anyway. Miami doesn't need to be in the deal. Jazz are already getting plenty of value.

I would rather not trade for those guys though. If Miami wants to trade Bam I would give ups some picks and stuff. It probably takes a player of at least that level for the Hornets to become buyers.

I mean no offense but you don't have the assets to get us to give up the guy we're building around.

well you probably need to consider rebuilding or reloading...

hard to see the heat putting a contender together with Bam and Herro as the best players

We're literally surrounding them with youth and expiring contracts. What do you think we're gearing up for if not a retool?

[mg]

Gets more complicated but looping in a fourth team like LAL to take bridges makes sense here.

What are they sending Miami that has them remotely interested?

The Hornets would rather send out Sexton than Bridges anyway. Miami doesn't need to be in the deal. Jazz are already getting plenty of value.

I would rather not trade for those guys though. If Miami wants to trade Bam I would give ups some picks and stuff. It probably takes a player of at least that level for the Hornets to become buyers.

Disagree. If the Hornets are acquiring Lauri/Kessler for their frontcourt they would prefer to trade out Miles.

With that said this trade is pretty much DOA. FWIW I don't see the Hornets taking Lauri's massive contract and then giving Kessler a $30 mil per season extension on top of it. That would be way too much money tied up in those two.

[Diop]

Markkanen puts up good numbers but the injury history can’t be ignored.

Charlottes front office have made it clear they aren’t in a rush to compete this year. I can’t see them cashing in for this

[babyjax13]

Markkanen puts up good numbers but the injury history can’t be ignored.

Charlottes front office have made it clear they aren’t in a rush to compete this year. I can’t see them cashing in for this

Could be more of a conversation next offseason if Lauri is still in Utah and played well.