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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#81 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Oct 13, 2025 2:15 pm

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kenwood3333 wrote:Likely get exposed on the offensive end. He is a poor man's og anunoby.


I would rather have him than OG.

Thompson can actually dribble.


and og can shoot...

If your point is, you want him to handle the ball a lot okay, you have a fair point. If we talking about potential and how you personally envision him as a player he might end up being a better player, we all dont have magic 8balls that predict the future.

But amen thompson right now is a poor mans OG. Thats just a fact. And i know amen is the guy everybody thinks is gonna explode this season (which are fair expectations) and that im supporting the unpopular opinion. but i think you guys need to hold your horses. Players like kawhi, PG, etc. needed 5-6 years to become the players they ended up becomming.


OG can play a super functional role in any playoff offense. Amen we still don't really know what to do with.

Obviously Amen has a universe of potential, and OG is what he is (super solid shooter who also adds value with his athleticism and toughness). If I needed to win a playoff series tomorrow, OG is a nice safe bet, while Amen is a wild card.

Defensively, they're both as good as it gets. Arguably the 2-best non-big defenders in the NBA.
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#82 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Oct 13, 2025 2:36 pm

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FrodoBaggins wrote:What's his potential offensive upside more in line with? Westbrook, Wade, or Butler? Those are the similar-sized high-end athletic slashers & playmakers with questionable jump shots. I see that he likes to use jump stops, which is more Jimmy & Dwyane. He's also smoother/more fluid and agile than Westbrook; not as linear/line-drive. The key to his offensive potential is the on-ball rim pressure and interior passing, IMO.


All those guys had better jumpers though. Russ/Wade/Jimmy were all taking a decent volume of midrange shots and long 2s. They weren't all amazingly efficient right away, but they demonstrated functional pull up shooting off the dribble. Amen hasnt shown that at all. His offense is all inside 10 feet, or catch and shoot 3s. He shot 34% on 1.4 pull ups per game (any distance).

Even though these players didn't start off as good midrange shooters (and Russ fell off completely, right in the middle of his prime), they all still had it in their game, basically from the get go. They were never non-shooters like Amen.

I can see plenty of Jimmy or Russ potential, for sure, but we can't realistically project that if Amen doesn't show us any glimpses of pull up ability. Without the pull up, it's a different archetype of player. He really is more of a 4/5 on offense right now, albeit one who can mix in dribble drives into the paint and drive and kick like a point guard. That dribble drive game get walled off because teams don't even have to worry about him firing a shot off a screen, even if he's 14 feet away from the basket. That's why we saw the Rockets completely shelf Amen's pick & roll possessions in the playoffs, because they don't work against a defense that plans to stop it.

Right now, Amen is a screener, a cutter, and a transition player. Houston gave him pick & roll reps in the regular season, but it wasn't good.
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I haven't seen Amen take a pull up in preseason either. He's hit some catch & shoot corner 3s, and his shot still has that ugly hitch.

Fair assessment. Does he have to have the pull-up three? What about a reliable mid-range counter when the rim is shut off?

If you remove the pull-up threes, Amen shot 31/82 (37.8%). About 1.2 2pa/g. What if he gets to somewhere within reach of 45%? 2022-23 regular season Butler was at 87/193 (45.1%). About 3.0 2pa/g. 43.3% on 3.65 2pa/g in 2021-22. Raw FG% probably undersells Jimmy as I'm sure he drew some fouls with his love of jump stops and pump fakes.

No data for Prime Wade, but he did 46.1% on 4.5 2pa/g in 2013-14 and 40.5% on 7.2 2pa/g in 2014-15.

If he becomes a monster downhill threat, and the playmaking fleshes out, is a pull-up mid-range game hovering around or near 45% enough? I guess it depends on what team he's on. You wouldn't want him creating a large amount of shots and taking that shot on a high-end, high-ceiling offense. But what about a middling Houston Rockets?
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#83 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Oct 13, 2025 3:25 pm

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FrodoBaggins wrote:What's his potential offensive upside more in line with? Westbrook, Wade, or Butler? Those are the similar-sized high-end athletic slashers & playmakers with questionable jump shots. I see that he likes to use jump stops, which is more Jimmy & Dwyane. He's also smoother/more fluid and agile than Westbrook; not as linear/line-drive. The key to his offensive potential is the on-ball rim pressure and interior passing, IMO.


All those guys had better jumpers though. Russ/Wade/Jimmy were all taking a decent volume of midrange shots and long 2s. They weren't all amazingly efficient right away, but they demonstrated functional pull up shooting off the dribble. Amen hasnt shown that at all. His offense is all inside 10 feet, or catch and shoot 3s. He shot 34% on 1.4 pull ups per game (any distance).

Even though these players didn't start off as good midrange shooters (and Russ fell off completely, right in the middle of his prime), they all still had it in their game, basically from the get go. They were never non-shooters like Amen.

I can see plenty of Jimmy or Russ potential, for sure, but we can't realistically project that if Amen doesn't show us any glimpses of pull up ability. Without the pull up, it's a different archetype of player. He really is more of a 4/5 on offense right now, albeit one who can mix in dribble drives into the paint and drive and kick like a point guard. That dribble drive game get walled off because teams don't even have to worry about him firing a shot off a screen, even if he's 14 feet away from the basket. That's why we saw the Rockets completely shelf Amen's pick & roll possessions in the playoffs, because they don't work against a defense that plans to stop it.

Right now, Amen is a screener, a cutter, and a transition player. Houston gave him pick & roll reps in the regular season, but it wasn't good.
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I haven't seen Amen take a pull up in preseason either. He's hit some catch & shoot corner 3s, and his shot still has that ugly hitch.

Fair assessment. Does he have to have the pull-up three? What about a reliable mid-range counter when the rim is shut off?

If you remove the pull-up threes, Amen shot 31/82 (37.8%). About 1.2 2pa/g. What if he gets to somewhere within reach of 45%? 2022-23 regular season Butler was at 87/193 (45.1%). About 3.0 2pa/g. 43.3% on 3.65 2pa/g in 2021-22. Raw FG% probably undersells Jimmy as I'm sure he drew some fouls with his love of jump stops and pump fakes.

No data for Prime Wade, but he did 46.1% on 4.5 2pa/g in 2013-14 and 40.5% on 7.2 2pa/g in 2014-15.

If he becomes a monster downhill threat, and the playmaking fleshes out, is a pull-up mid-range game hovering around or near 45% enough? I guess it depends on what team he's on. You wouldn't want him creating a large amount of shots and taking that shot on a high-end, high-ceiling offense. But what about a middling Houston Rockets?


I'm more concerned that there's a near complete lack of attempts outside 10 feet, and then you watch the footage and see why. With Butler/Wade/Russ, the percentages weren't great, but the raw tool was somewhat there. With Amen, I'm not sure yet. If it was 37.8% and some of that was long 2s, I'd see the potential more.

I watched a ton of his midrange makes. It's almost entirely in the short midrange. A lot of them are runners, or things that start as jumpers then turn into one-handed floaters or push shots. He does have this one side step, one-legged shot that looks smooth, but he mostly takes it from 6-7 feet as a counter. The actual pull up is messy. He often shoots on the way down, and he has a hitch. Almost the entirety of his "midrange" and pull up game comes very close to the basket. 12-13 feet is long range for him. His corner threes have a bit of a heave motion.

I don't think the playmaking will matter (against high end defenses) when they can just wall off the paint on screening action where Amen is the ball handler. The defense can set a conservative shell, Amen can't take the open shot, he'll barrel into the lane and only find tough shots there. When the defense is bad or scrambled, he can find edges and make plays, but in the playoffs (and this was very much the case with the Warriors), there was no functional way to use Amen as a playmaker or on-ball guy.

I'm not doubting the guy, I'm just saying there's still a very important missing piece to the puzzle. Without that piece, it's too soon to predict any of these scoring/playmaking stars. He's firmly in Iguodala, Marion, Pippen archetype space in terms of having star potential or all-NBA ceiling right now.
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#84 » by Shock Defeat » Mon Oct 13, 2025 4:50 pm

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kenwood3333 wrote:Likely get exposed on the offensive end. He is a poor man's og anunoby.


I would rather have him than OG.

Thompson can actually dribble.


and og can shoot...

If your point is, you want him to handle the ball a lot okay, you have a fair point. If we talking about potential and how you personally envision him as a player he might end up being a better player, we all dont have magic 8balls that predict the future.

But amen thompson right now is a poor mans OG. Thats just a fact. And i know amen is the guy everybody thinks is gonna explode this season (which are fair expectations) and that im supporting the unpopular opinion. but i think you guys need to hold your horses. Players like kawhi, PG, etc. needed 5-6 years to become the players they ended up becomming.

Amen is not a poor man's OG they are not even the same type of player. Amen is a slashing guard that can rebound and is crazy quick with elite second and third jumping.

OG is a 3&D guy, a great one at that, but is paid like a star.
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#85 » by NoStatsGuy » Mon Oct 13, 2025 11:43 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:
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JRoy wrote:
I would rather have him than OG.

Thompson can actually dribble.


and og can shoot...

If your point is, you want him to handle the ball a lot okay, you have a fair point. If we talking about potential and how you personally envision him as a player he might end up being a better player, we all dont have magic 8balls that predict the future.

But amen thompson right now is a poor mans OG. Thats just a fact. And i know amen is the guy everybody thinks is gonna explode this season (which are fair expectations) and that im supporting the unpopular opinion. but i think you guys need to hold your horses. Players like kawhi, PG, etc. needed 5-6 years to become the players they ended up becomming.

Amen is not a poor man's OG they are not even the same type of player. Amen is a slashing guard that can rebound and is crazy quick with elite second and third jumping.

OG is a 3&D guy, a great one at that, but is paid like a star.


yea, totally fair. OG is not the comparison for amen as a player right now. I just thought the notion of amen being better because he "can actually dribble" is kinda laughable. And my comment and the point i was making supports what you said aswell, considering slashing and attacking the rim is the only optioon he has of course thats his playstyle. if he could actually shoot, who knows what he would be doing. soooo :dontknow:

hopefully he develops a shot then we can talk about whos better and whos not. at this point its not really a debate. The disrespect OG gets from fans and media needs to stop.
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#87 » by JRoy » Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:44 am

NoStatsGuy wrote:
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NoStatsGuy wrote:
and og can shoot...

If your point is, you want him to handle the ball a lot okay, you have a fair point. If we talking about potential and how you personally envision him as a player he might end up being a better player, we all dont have magic 8balls that predict the future.

But amen thompson right now is a poor mans OG. Thats just a fact. And i know amen is the guy everybody thinks is gonna explode this season (which are fair expectations) and that im supporting the unpopular opinion. but i think you guys need to hold your horses. Players like kawhi, PG, etc. needed 5-6 years to become the players they ended up becomming.

Amen is not a poor man's OG they are not even the same type of player. Amen is a slashing guard that can rebound and is crazy quick with elite second and third jumping.

OG is a 3&D guy, a great one at that, but is paid like a star.


yea, totally fair. OG is not the comparison for amen as a player right now. I just thought the notion of amen being better because he "can actually dribble" is kinda laughable. And my comment and the point i was making supports what you said aswell, considering slashing and attacking the rim is the only optioon he has of course thats his playstyle. if he could actually shoot, who knows what he would be doing. soooo :dontknow:

hopefully he develops a shot then we can talk about whos better and whos not. at this point its not really a debate. The disrespect OG gets from fans and media needs to stop.


OG has weak handles. Makes it harder for him to generate his own offense. Guys at his age rarely improve much in that skill.

Much more likely Amen becomes a competent shooter than OG becomes an on ball creator.
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#88 » by Sane » Tue Oct 14, 2025 4:45 am

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FrodoBaggins wrote:What's his potential offensive upside more in line with? Westbrook, Wade, or Butler? Those are the similar-sized high-end athletic slashers & playmakers with questionable jump shots. I see that he likes to use jump stops, which is more Jimmy & Dwyane. He's also smoother/more fluid and agile than Westbrook; not as linear/line-drive. The key to his offensive potential is the on-ball rim pressure and interior passing, IMO.


All those guys had better jumpers though. Russ/Wade/Jimmy were all taking a decent volume of midrange shots and long 2s. They weren't all amazingly efficient right away, but they demonstrated functional pull up shooting off the dribble. Amen hasnt shown that at all. His offense is all inside 10 feet, or catch and shoot 3s. He shot 34% on 1.4 pull ups per game (any distance).

Even though these players didn't start off as good midrange shooters (and Russ fell off completely, right in the middle of his prime), they all still had it in their game, basically from the get go. They were never non-shooters like Amen.

I can see plenty of Jimmy or Russ potential, for sure, but we can't realistically project that if Amen doesn't show us any glimpses of pull up ability. Without the pull up, it's a different archetype of player. He really is more of a 4/5 on offense right now, albeit one who can mix in dribble drives into the paint and drive and kick like a point guard. That dribble drive game get walled off because teams don't even have to worry about him firing a shot off a screen, even if he's 14 feet away from the basket. That's why we saw the Rockets completely shelf Amen's pick & roll possessions in the playoffs, because they don't work against a defense that plans to stop it.

Right now, Amen is a screener, a cutter, and a transition player. Houston gave him pick & roll reps in the regular season, but it wasn't good.
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I haven't seen Amen take a pull up in preseason either. He's hit some catch & shoot corner 3s, and his shot still has that ugly hitch.


Can you back up your claims with the numbers please? Show us Wade, Butler and Westbrook's midrange jumper was better in their first two years.
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Post#89 » by threethehardway » Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:19 am

Sane wrote:Can you back up your claims with the numbers please? Show us Wade, Butler and Westbrook's midrange jumper was better in their first two years.



You can literally look it up on basketball reference.

Amen Thompson from 16-3PT line made 33% his rookie year and 26% his sophomore year. He also took less than 10% of his shots from 16-3PT both years.

Wade, in his rookie year from 16-3PT made 29% his rookie year and 43% his sophomore year. Wade took 14% of his shots from 16-3PT his rookie year. He took 24% of his shots from 16-3PT his sophomore year.

Russell Westbrook, from 16-3PT made 38% his rookie year and 39% his sophomore. WB took 20% of his shots from 16-3PT his rookie year. He took 22% of his shots from 16-3PT his sophomore year.

Amen Thompson has the range of a center. He's basically does not have a jumper or shot creation potential.

What we would want to see is volume from the 16-3PT.
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Post#90 » by iggymcfrack » Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:40 am

I bet on him for Most Improved Player. I think his offense will really pop playing on ball more as the Rockets' starting PG to begin the year and he's already one of the best defenders in the league. There's nowhere to go but up for him at such a young age. I think he should definitely be all-NBA this year with a very good chance to make second team.
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Post#91 » by FrodoBaggins » Tue Oct 14, 2025 10:24 am

Is the long two (16ft+ 2pa) really needed when the short mid-range is there? It constitutes such a small amount of Shai's and MIA Butler's games.

2023-2025 Shai: 7.8% of FGAs
2021-2023 Jimmy: 6.6% of FGAs

They operated most in the short mid-range (3-16ft):

2023-2025 Shai: 24.2% of FGAs from 3-10ft; 24.2% of FGAs from 10-16ft
2021-2023 Jimmy: 30.7% of FGAs from 3-10ft; 17.1% of FGAs from 10-16ft

You can define short mid-range differently. 3-16ft, 5-14ft, 8-16ft, etc.

2024-25 Amen shot 45/101 (44.6%) from 8-16ft. About 1.46 attempts per game. 68.9% unassisted. Five of those attempts were blocked, so he shot 45/96 (46.9%) on non-blocked attempts. 75/164 (45.7%) from 5-14ft. 2.38 attempts per game. 69.3% unassisted. 75/152 (49.3%) on non-blocked attempts.

NBA.com had Amen at 80/176 (45.5%) on two-point "jump shots" last season. 2.55 per game. I know its shot classification can be wonky.

2022-23 Jimmy:
- 97/199 (48.7%) from 8-16 ft. 3.11 attempts per game. 79.4% unassisted.
- 151/302 (50.0%) from 5-14ft. 4.72 attempts per game. About 79.4% unassisted.
- 151/304 (49.7%) on two-point "jump shots."
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Post#92 » by Sane » Tue Oct 14, 2025 10:45 am

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Sane wrote:Can you back up your claims with the numbers please? Show us Wade, Butler and Westbrook's midrange jumper was better in their first two years.



You can literally look it up on basketball reference.

Amen Thompson from 16-3PT line made 33% his rookie year and 26% his sophomore year. He also took less than 10% of his shots from 16-3PT both years.

Wade, in his rookie year from 16-3PT made 29% his rookie year and 43% his sophomore year. Wade took 14% of his shots from 16-3PT his rookie year. He took 24% of his shots from 16-3PT his sophomore year.

Russell Westbrook, from 16-3PT made 38% his rookie year and 39% his sophomore. WB took 20% of his shots from 16-3PT his rookie year. He took 22% of his shots from 16-3PT his sophomore year.

Amen Thompson has the range of a center. He's basically does not have a jumper or shot creation potential.

What we would want to see is volume from the 16-3PT.


Thanks for showing half the midrange. The 10-16 is obviously midrange and after having a look Amen's sophomore season from 10-16 is best in the group (49%) which is very promising. His jumper is not awkward at all from midrange, he rises up pretty easily for those just needs a bit of repetition. His floater is exceptional.

You forgot to include Jimmy Butler who's only a hair better than Amen on those metrics.

Seems exaggerated to say this is some major obstacle.
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Post#93 » by cupcakesnake » Tue Oct 14, 2025 11:05 am

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FrodoBaggins wrote:What's his potential offensive upside more in line with? Westbrook, Wade, or Butler? Those are the similar-sized high-end athletic slashers & playmakers with questionable jump shots. I see that he likes to use jump stops, which is more Jimmy & Dwyane. He's also smoother/more fluid and agile than Westbrook; not as linear/line-drive. The key to his offensive potential is the on-ball rim pressure and interior passing, IMO.


All those guys had better jumpers though. Russ/Wade/Jimmy were all taking a decent volume of midrange shots and long 2s. They weren't all amazingly efficient right away, but they demonstrated functional pull up shooting off the dribble. Amen hasnt shown that at all. His offense is all inside 10 feet, or catch and shoot 3s. He shot 34% on 1.4 pull ups per game (any distance).

Even though these players didn't start off as good midrange shooters (and Russ fell off completely, right in the middle of his prime), they all still had it in their game, basically from the get go. They were never non-shooters like Amen.

I can see plenty of Jimmy or Russ potential, for sure, but we can't realistically project that if Amen doesn't show us any glimpses of pull up ability. Without the pull up, it's a different archetype of player. He really is more of a 4/5 on offense right now, albeit one who can mix in dribble drives into the paint and drive and kick like a point guard. That dribble drive game get walled off because teams don't even have to worry about him firing a shot off a screen, even if he's 14 feet away from the basket. That's why we saw the Rockets completely shelf Amen's pick & roll possessions in the playoffs, because they don't work against a defense that plans to stop it.

Right now, Amen is a screener, a cutter, and a transition player. Houston gave him pick & roll reps in the regular season, but it wasn't good.
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I haven't seen Amen take a pull up in preseason either. He's hit some catch & shoot corner 3s, and his shot still has that ugly hitch.


Can you back up your claims with the numbers please? Show us Wade, Butler and Westbrook's midrange jumper was better in their first two years.


In year 2 of their careers, their percentage of FGA between 10 feet and the 3-point line, i'll also list the ft%
- Wade took 37% of his FGA between 10 feet and the 3-point line.
- Butler took 31%
- Russ took 39%
- Amen took 13%
I'm using midrange volume because it's the most likely type of shot to be a pull up. A few of these 10-11 feet shots could be floaters (they certainly are in Amen's case. I just watched video of all his midrange attempts from last season), and some of the long 2s could be catch and shoot, but it's still mostly a territory you have to pull up off the dribble from. I also think, even if a player is inefficient at these shots early in their career, they at least show it's a shot they can take. My contention is that Amen currently does not have any demonstrated pull game outside the short midrange.

Amen shot a good percentage from 10-16 feet, but film review shows almost all those shots are coming at 10 feet. I outline those shots somewhere else in this thread. He has a nice little 1-footed side step he can use as a counter. The rest of his shots are extended floaters.

It's not a matter of era based shot selection. 2005 Wade is the only one taking less 3s than Amen.
In addition to the pull up shooting volume, in terms of pure shooting touch, I'd mention that Amen isn't anywhere near these guys as a free throw shooter. In their 2nd years:
- Wade 76%
- Jimmy 80%
- Russ 78%
- Amen 68%
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#94 » by cupcakesnake » Tue Oct 14, 2025 11:20 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:Is the long two (16ft+ 2pa) really needed when the short mid-range is there? It constitutes such a small amount of Shai's and MIA Butler's games.

2023-2025 Shai: 7.8% of FGAs
2021-2023 Jimmy: 6.6% of FGAs

They operated most in the short mid-range (3-16ft):

2023-2025 Shai: 24.2% of FGAs from 3-10ft; 24.2% of FGAs from 10-16ft
2021-2023 Jimmy: 30.7% of FGAs from 3-10ft; 17.1% of FGAs from 10-16ft

You can define short mid-range differently. 3-16ft, 5-14ft, 8-16ft, etc.

2024-25 Amen shot 45/101 (44.6%) from 8-16ft. About 1.46 attempts per game. 68.9% unassisted. Five of those attempts were blocked, so he shot 45/96 (46.9%) on non-blocked attempts. 75/164 (45.7%) from 5-14ft. 2.38 attempts per game. 69.3% unassisted. 75/152 (49.3%) on non-blocked attempts.

NBA.com had Amen at 80/176 (45.5%) on two-point "jump shots" last season. 2.55 per game. I know its shot classification can be wonky.

2022-23 Jimmy:
- 97/199 (48.7%) from 8-16 ft. 3.11 attempts per game. 79.4% unassisted.
- 151/302 (50.0%) from 5-14ft. 4.72 attempts per game. About 79.4% unassisted.
- 151/304 (49.7%) on two-point "jump shots."


I really think you have to pair this with the film and see what those shots actually are. Huge difference between a 10 ft shot and a 16 ft one in terms of how they function in the game. The stats don't sound too bad for Amen, but when you see the footage, you can see his actual pull up doesn't have any touch once he's a step or two outside the painted area.

Jimmy and Shai may not be taking a ton of long 2s now- and this is a good thing for other reasons- but they can take that shot, and defenses don't dare them to. (Well... Jimmy has fallen off badly as a shooter the last couple seasons, but we're talking about his development from an Amen perspective). The problem for Amen is that we want to project him as a drive and kick playmaker, but it's really hard to do that when a defense can stay in an exaggerated shell against you.

Shai is literally the best short midrange guard scorer in the play tracking era, so sure, if Amen can be that in the short midrange, we can care less about his shooting range. However, you can't sag off Shai at all, as he's knockdown on long 2s if you leave him open. Prime Jimmy murdered people in the playoffs with his long midrange scoring. I'll also note both these guys shot 12% better from the line than Amen early in their career.

Amen has a chance to get there, but we cannot pretend he's on a shooting trajectory similar to any of these players. He's a barely functional shooter right now. Wide open corner 3s is his only outside shot. He's in the 9th percentile in % on wide open 3s. 8th percentile on pull up 3s and c&s 3s. 15th percentile from the line. 5th percentile in "shooting quality".
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#95 » by pushfloater » Tue Oct 14, 2025 11:15 pm

I just hope they don’t put him at PG
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#96 » by ocelot17 » Yesterday 12:25 am

That’s his third made three in the preseason.

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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#97 » by threethehardway » Yesterday 2:38 am

Sane wrote:Thanks for showing half the midrange. The 10-16 is obviously midrange and after having a look Amen's sophomore season from 10-16 is best in the group (49%) which is very promising. His jumper is not awkward at all from midrange, he rises up pretty easily for those just needs a bit of repetition. His floater is exceptional.

You forgot to include Jimmy Butler who's only a hair better than Amen on those metrics.

Seems exaggerated to say this is some major obstacle.


Have you watched Amen Thompson shoot? It's ugly. it's painful. It's borderline unrepeatable. He reminds me of Ben Simmons when he attempts any sort of jump shot.

16-3PT is midrange for a guard that is coming off of pick and roll and getting perimeter isolations.

It excludes a lot of floaters and push shots. I was doing a short cursory look on basketball reference, not going deep into his numbers.

When a young player is developing, you don't care about percentages, you care about volume. The more volume a player puts in, the better off you can project actual ability.

Amen Thompson doesn't shoot at all from the midrange area compared to other young guards that had questionable jumpers.

Amen's jumper isn't questionable, it's non-existent. You are projecting something that doesn't fundamentally exist. He legitimately can't shoot, he doesn't have a simulacrum of a midrange game. Shooting 49 percent on 10-16 mostly push shots, floaters and baby jumpers don't mean anything.

We can look at a player that De'Aron Fox who had a shaky jumper coming into the league and by his second year he was shooting 37 percent on 3 attempts a game. Fox's rookie year, 20 percent of his shot attempts came from 16-3PT.

Most guards with shaky and broken jumpers, when developing their shot-creation ability, take a lot of shots from 16-3PT. They don't do short midrange shots. It makes sense, most defenses are going to give you 16-3PT, it's an open shot. It gives a young player practice with taking pullups and step-backs in space, going down hill.

Amen can't even shoot that and he's 22 year's old.

We can look at SGA who came in as a rookie and took 11 percent of his shots from 16-3PT and made 43.6%. So he had legitimate shot creation potential from the midrange. He also could only consistently hit from the corner 3s with his janky set shot as a rookie to the tune of 40.6%

Amen at least as shown the ability to hit corner 3s despite his lack of shooting prowess everywhere else.

Saying every single guard/forward that is athletic, with some ball-handling skills with a broken or non-existent jump shot, has a chance to get a shot just because they can hit a couple floaters and the occasional turnaround jumper when they have no evidence of being able to shoot, is wishful thinking.

I doubt Amen will turn into a consistent shooter. I think he'll basically be 6'6 Giannis at best, where eventually is able to hit wide open 16 foot jumpers that the defense gives up and the occasional turnaround jumper.
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#98 » by ocelot17 » Yesterday 3:49 am

Amen is 4/6 from 3 this preseason…
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Re: What do you expect from Amen Thompson this season? 

Post#99 » by Sane » Yesterday 6:12 am

threethehardway wrote:
Sane wrote:Thanks for showing half the midrange. The 10-16 is obviously midrange and after having a look Amen's sophomore season from 10-16 is best in the group (49%) which is very promising. His jumper is not awkward at all from midrange, he rises up pretty easily for those just needs a bit of repetition. His floater is exceptional.

You forgot to include Jimmy Butler who's only a hair better than Amen on those metrics.

Seems exaggerated to say this is some major obstacle.


Have you watched Amen Thompson shoot? It's ugly. it's painful. It's borderline unrepeatable. He reminds me of Ben Simmons when he attempts any sort of jump shot.

16-3PT is midrange for a guard that is coming off of pick and roll and getting perimeter isolations.

It excludes a lot of floaters and push shots. I was doing a short cursory look on basketball reference, not going deep into his numbers.

When a young player is developing, you don't care about percentages, you care about volume. The more volume a player puts in, the better off you can project actual ability.

Amen Thompson doesn't shoot at all from the midrange area compared to other young guards that had questionable jumpers.

Amen's jumper isn't questionable, it's non-existent. You are projecting something that doesn't fundamentally exist. He legitimately can't shoot, he doesn't have a simulacrum of a midrange game. Shooting 49 percent on 10-16 mostly push shots, floaters and baby jumpers don't mean anything.

We can look at a player that De'Aron Fox who had a shaky jumper coming into the league and by his second year he was shooting 37 percent on 3 attempts a game. Fox's rookie year, 20 percent of his shot attempts came from 16-3PT.

Most guards with shaky and broken jumpers, when developing their shot-creation ability, take a lot of shots from 16-3PT. They don't do short midrange shots. It makes sense, most defenses are going to give you 16-3PT, it's an open shot. It gives a young player practice with taking pullups and step-backs in space, going down hill.

Amen can't even shoot that and he's 22 year's old.

We can look at SGA who came in as a rookie and took 11 percent of his shots from 16-3PT and made 43.6%. So he had legitimate shot creation potential from the midrange. He also could only consistently hit from the corner 3s with his janky set shot as a rookie to the tune of 40.6%

Amen at least as shown the ability to hit corner 3s despite his lack of shooting prowess everywhere else.

Saying every single guard/forward that is athletic, with some ball-handling skills with a broken or non-existent jump shot, has a chance to get a shot just because they can hit a couple floaters and the occasional turnaround jumper when they have no evidence of being able to shoot, is wishful thinking.

I doubt Amen will turn into a consistent shooter. I think he'll basically be 6'6 Giannis at best, where eventually is able to hit wide open 16 foot jumpers that the defense gives up and the occasional turnaround jumper.


The thing is, it's obvious you haven't watched any of this because his corner 3's look broken (although he makes more of them). His midrange jumper looks good. His above break 3 was terrible last season and looks good this season. You can't put him in the corner haha. Any time you put him at the center of things on offense or defense, good things miraculously happen. He breaks up the play, gets a steal, gets a block, gets an offensive rebound, cuts to the basket at the perfect time, something. That's the whole reason we're elevating him as a playmaker and signed ANOTHER wing defender in DFS. We need to put Amen at the center of things. You can't put him in the corner, that's not who he is.

You act like we're talking about OG Anunoby. This guy hit a smooth game winning snatch-back midrange jumper against the defending champions at the buzzer. I don't know why you guys are not pairing the stats with some actual film.

Let's just agree to disagree here. I say you're exaggerating this hurdle. It's already in the preseason looking like another big improvement in shot mechanics. Remember our entire staff come from the Spurs and our shooting coach worked directly for Chip Engeland. Amen literally laughed at the notion that he'd let his 3pter be a hurdle in his career and these guys are nerds. They are obsessed with basketball. lol He did nothing but work on his game the entire summer.

Going to be a total non-issue. He'll have a better jumper than at least Jimmy Butler by the time he hits his mid 20's and that's plenty to become a major playmaker. The moment he's making 36% on wide open attempts it will be impossible to stop him from exploding to the basket without putting a wall in front of him. That's what our opponent's coach was talking about last week semi-comparing him to Giannis in his post game interview.

I think you guys don't realize what he's capable of outside of the jumper. He might be the living breathing answer to the question: what if you suck at jumpers for the wing position but are elite at literally every other major category in basketball? Defense (half the game), transition, assists, blocks, steals, cuts, clutchness, getting to the line, putbacks, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, hard work, coachability, on and on.

He's a fun player to root for. Will be exciting seeing how he turns out. IMO even Ausar projects better than you're describing. These two are going to be stars even with barely-passable jumpers. If they don't develop that, they'll be more like super role players, like a rich man's Draymond Green. If you do a tiny bit of digging into the twins' characters and history though, you'd be a fool to bet against them.

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