2025 Training Camp & Preseason Thread

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We don’t have anyone on the payroll that can organize an elite offense from the players to the coaching staff, we’re going to have to continue to lean on grit and defense if we want to win games on most nights, doesn’t matter who’s in or out.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[HeatFanLifer]

We don’t have anyone on the payroll that can organize an elite offense from the players to the coaching staff, we’re going to have to continue to lean on grit and defense if we want to win games on most nights, doesn’t matter who’s in or out.

I think Spo will find a way to get the most out of this team and they over-achieve in the regular season. But that will be it. No saving anything for the playoffs, it’s gonna be likely a sixth seed and first round gentlemen’s sweep.

[Voltron914]

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its crazy with all the praise spo gets from the league and his peers he still doesnt have a COY award

[Shewasfly]

Personally (and most likely most of the Heat fans) I didn't like what I saw in this preseason from the team.

The team, indeed tries to play faster but I don't think this is the correct decision.
It is more like they rush things than playing fast.
When whoever takes the ball first executes, this is not a modern type of play.
This is a disaster.
Especially with this roster.

I don't like the fact that Powel will take the shot whatever the circumstances are. He has to start thinking to pass the ball sometimes.
I don't like Jaquez as a pg, he is not a pg and destroys the offense.
I don't like Adebayo rushing things in offense.
I don't like Wiggins having another one bad preseason (5th time in his career he averages under 10ppg in preseason).

I like what I saw from Ware and Jakucionis.
Jakucionis seems the only one who can make this group look like a team.

Please stop this experiment with fast pace and give the ball to the best players to organize the offense and take the shots.

I know the regular season will be complete different and the starters will play a lot better.

But until now there were some concerning things

This is how it always looks when we try to play fast. It just looks sloppy and rushed. The problem is the lack of a PG. This is why I was so confused about not going after some of the cheap available veteran PG options out there and instead signing Precious, who is basically a much worse Bam. I just don't get wanting to speed things up but having no true PG to direct it.

I honestly don't even trust anybody on the team to dribble the length of the floor against pressure, let alone facilitate a fast, precise offense.

[unowen85]

Is there even a correlation showing that faster pace will lead to more winning? Feeling like Ian Malcolm over here asking myself if Heat coaches were too preoccupied thinking whether or not we could play at a faster pace, and didn’t stop to think if we should.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Team badly needs a pg.

Jaime might actually run the offense better than the actual pgs like davion and dru.

Jak better grow up quickly or riles needs to be on the phone with westbrook.

[twix2500]

Is there even a correlation showing that faster pace will lead to more winning? Feeling like Ian Malcolm over here asking myself if Heat coaches were too preoccupied thinking whether or not we could play at a faster pace, and didn’t stop to think if we should.

Pace doesn't determine quality of offense. It describes the style that best suits that roster.

[Vertical Limit]

We don’t have anyone on the payroll that can organize an elite offense from the players to the coaching staff, we’re going to have to continue to lean on grit and defense if we want to win games on most nights, doesn’t matter who’s in or out.

I think Spo will find a way to get the most out of this team and they over-achieve in the regular season. But that will be it. No saving anything for the playoffs, it’s gonna be likely a sixth seed and first round gentlemen’s sweep.

This team is going to be play in at best.. my prediction for the season is under 40 wins.. and we will have a firesale by the deadline for anyone of value.. powell, wiggins to start.. theyll garner the most interest because of their contract being an expiring.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This team is going to be play in at best.. my prediction for the season is under 40 wins.. and we will have a firesale by the deadline for anyone of value.. powell, wiggins to start.. theyll garner the most interest because of their contract being an expiring.

There's a season prediction thread here ... https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2467496

In case you or others weren't aware of it.

[Wiltside]

How we looking for the final preseason hit out? I presume Bam will be rested to get that knee right, but what about Kas and Niko?

[HeatFanLifer]

We don’t have anyone on the payroll that can organize an elite offense from the players to the coaching staff, we’re going to have to continue to lean on grit and defense if we want to win games on most nights, doesn’t matter who’s in or out.

I think Spo will find a way to get the most out of this team and they over-achieve in the regular season. But that will be it. No saving anything for the playoffs, it’s gonna be likely a sixth seed and first round gentlemen’s sweep.

This team is going to be play in at best.. my prediction for the season is under 40 wins.. and we will have a firesale by the deadline for anyone of value.. powell, wiggins to start.. theyll garner the most interest because of their contract being an expiring.

I like your scenario better for the long term. I think Spo is gonna just outwork himself and somehow pull off a half decent looking season with mediocre talent. Not seeing anything good from Wiggins so far and Riley is putting a lot of trust in the guy to perform. Reminds me of Jamal Mashburn, not one to rise to the occasion. But we’ll see how this season goes.

[Vertical Limit]

I think Spo will find a way to get the most out of this team and they over-achieve in the regular season. But that will be it. No saving anything for the playoffs, it’s gonna be likely a sixth seed and first round gentlemen’s sweep.

This team is going to be play in at best.. my prediction for the season is under 40 wins.. and we will have a firesale by the deadline for anyone of value.. powell, wiggins to start.. theyll garner the most interest because of their contract being an expiring.

I like your scenario better for the long term. I think Spo is gonna just outwork himself and somehow pull off a half decent looking season with mediocre talent. Not seeing anything good from Wiggins so far and Riley is putting a lot of trust in the guy to perform. Reminds me of Jamal Mashburn, not one to rise to the occasion. But we’ll see how this season goes.

Yeah, we will have a moment in the season where we overachieve and go on a streak.. Spoelstra is capable of doing that no matter how low skilled his roster is.

Last year i predicted on this board the win streak after the first win.. we have all seen what those type of wins means for Spoelstra, the Heat.. and they go on an unprecedented run. That one was probably the easiest to predict.. i said it, we are going to play ourselves out of the lottery.. we all know what is comint..

We were in position for a great odds lottery pick.. and spo was able to make chicken **** into chicken salad..

Then, the first round against the cavs happened.. and thats when you realize, there is no “next level” in the playoffs when you have a roster of very limited players, lead by a franchise player who is very limited low skilled un athletic in Tyler Herro..

Thats when you make nba history by having the biggest point differential loss in nba history.

[VaDe255]

Is there even a correlation showing that faster pace will lead to more winning? Feeling like Ian Malcolm over here asking myself if Heat coaches were too preoccupied thinking whether or not we could play at a faster pace, and didn’t stop to think if we should.

There’s a very small correlation between pace and offensive rating so, generally, no, playing faster doesn’t automatically make you more efficient.

But there’s more nuance to why a young team should lean into a quicker tempo:

i) It simplifies the offense. More pace and space means less complex half-court execution, fewer reads against set veteran defenses and fewer chances to overthink or mess up.
ii) This roster is young, speed, stamina and bounce are its natural strengths. Playing fast lets them compete above their experience level by leveraging those physical advantages.
iii) A higher pace means more possessions and more possessions mean more reps. That accelerates learning and development.

We’re not expecting them to contend right away, but at least make it an exciting, growth oriented season. Watching a young team grind through a slow, muddy offense helps no one, not the players developing and not the fans watching.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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its crazy with all the praise spo gets from the league and his peers he still doesnt have a COY award

spo Doesn't have a coy award because he never has been the coach of the year... He is the most stable coach, Not the one with the best team That year

Maybe very close a couple of times when lebron, bosh and Especially wade where here...but that is it

[al bondiga]

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Although I think he it's a big disruption in the locker room Especially for younger players and too individualistic... He might be exactly what the heat needs... if they start him.

[twix2500]

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Although I think he it's a big disruption in the locker room Especially for younger players and too individualistic... He might be exactly what the heat needs... if they start him.

Attacking the basket is not the problem with this team, its shooting

[al bondiga]

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Although I think he it's a big disruption in the locker room Especially for younger players and too individualistic... He might be exactly what the heat needs... if they start him.

Attacking the basket is not the problem with this team, its shooting

Westbrook does a LOT more than just attacking the basket... He gives the team a different dynamic... And if we start him, I like what bam Might become

But HE brings SOME Negatives...

the question is, are we willing to pay the price of what bringing Russell here means As a Team??