Scottie Barnes is a SPUR. [needs 3rd team]

[Golabki]

No bias at all when you ate saying Barnes should be a bench player.

He's alot like Giddey or Demar in termsof his lack of a role for a contender. You'd love to start him on a 38 win team. That's his ideal role. Not sure why a contender wants a non-shooting 4 who needs the ball.

Look up Draymond Green or Aaron Gordon (both NBA Champions).

Barnes is basically a 17/7/7 player with superb defense. He's nothing like Demar - he's very talented defensively, and the idea here is to unleash that side even more, since Spurs would have the offense covered.

IMO you lose credibility when you try to denigrate an obviously talented player.

Barnes is talented, but so are Giddey and Demar.

I know Barnes came in with a rep as a great defender. I have seen very very little evidence of that. I think Castle showed more defensive capabilities last year than Barnes has shown in his career. Even if you are higher on Barnes' D than I am, comparing him to Green is insulting to the greatest defensive player of this generation.

The Gordon comp is interesting because Gordon did go from mis-cast "star", to elite role-player after a trade in his mid-twenties. But (A) Jokic uniquely unlocked Gordon, I don't think the Spurs have that situation, (B) Gordon was never given a max contract, if he had been he would have been viewed as a bad contract, (C) Gordon was traded as a really good role player (in terms of value) not a star, (D) Gordon was a significantly more gifted physically than Barnes, and (E) I think Gordon had shown more in terms of actual defense and floor game than Barnes at a similar age.

[tcheco]

The fit is terrible, having a core of Wemby, Barnes, Harper and Fox, where none of them is a reliable three point shooter, I can't see this working at all.
I hate that the Spurs traded for Fox honestly, terrible use of assets and money now that he is extended. I hope Castle and Harper can overachieve honestly

[Golabki]

No bias at all when you ate saying Barnes should be a bench player.

This guy is the worst man hahahaha. Mods are asleep at the wheel as always.

You may (as many of us do) disagree with his opinion, but I don't see any reason for mods to get involved. Disagreements are part of constructive dialogue

Name the recent champ where Barnes would clearly have been a starter (playing as well as he did last year)? In the last decade the one where you'd have a pretty good case is the Bucks, who were riding the last gasps of PJ Tucker... but even there, Barnes would be a bad offensive fit, so I think there'd be an argument for starting Tucker for defense and having Barnes as the scorer off the bench.

[Texas Chuck]

If I were the Spurs, I wouldn't trade Carter Bryant or Castle for Scottie. CB and Castle at least have the potential to be starters on a contender. It might not work out, but the possibility is there. Barnes will never be that, or if you are starting him it's because you don't have a better option rather than because you actively want to.

No bias at all when you ate saying Barnes should be a bench player.

This guy is the worst man hahahaha. Mods are asleep at the wheel as always.

Nobody reported any posts.
Don't backseat moderate.
Expressing opinions you don't like doesn't require mod intervention.
Your post ventures into personal attacks which would draw mod attention.
Any other thoughts on what mods should be doing please express in an appropriate setting.

[SkyHook]

This is one where I could see both teams passing. I've never been a Barnes fan, but Johnson's value is underwater and Castle just isn't very good. That said, I wouldn't be shocked if Bryant ended up being the best player in the deal; I'm high on the kid.

I look forward to Bryant winning ROTY this year and an All Star in year 3.

Yes, Barnes won the closest ROY race in a quarter century and was an injury replacement AS in the east. He has also never scored at even league average efficiency in his career — and with his ugly ass shot likely never will — and looks to have regressed, posting the worst efficiency of his career this past season. A good but not great defender.

He's... fine.

[TimDunkin]

The Spurs get enough of what Scottie Barnes provides with Jeremy Sochan at a fraction of the cost. It isn't a move that makes a lot of sense to me.

[penbeast0]

If I were the Spurs, I wouldn't trade Carter Bryant or Castle for Scottie. CB and Castle at least have the potential to be starters on a contender. It might not work out, but the possibility is there. Barnes will never be that, or if you are starting him it's because you don't have a better option rather than because you actively want to.

No bias at all when you ate saying Barnes should be a bench player.

This guy is the worst man hahahaha. Mods are asleep at the wheel as always.

You may disagree with a poster's opinions; I do often enough. That does not mean they should be stopped from expressing their opinions as long as they provide enough context to engage in a conversation. If you really think the poster is an idiot, put him on ignore and don't bother to read his posts.

And be thankful you aren't a mod and have that option.

[louc1970]

I could see the third team being the Bulls. An early second rounder and Pat Williams for Johnson.

[jbk1234]

I could see the third team being the Bulls. An early second rounder and Pat Williams for Johnson.

The Bulls aren't getting off Williams contract for a 2nd. Neither the Raptors nor Spurs would prefer that.

[Blame Rasho]

You know what the Spurs need… another player who absolutely sucks at shooting… great thinking.

[Kalamazoo317]

Pistons wouldn't trade Robinson for Keldon Johnson. We need Robinson's spacing to help replace some of what we lost with Beasley.
I don't think Barnes makes a ton of sense for the Spurs. They need *more* spacing around Fox and Wemby, not less.

[One_and_Done]

This is one where I could see both teams passing. I've never been a Barnes fan, but Johnson's value is underwater and Castle just isn't very good. That said, I wouldn't be shocked if Bryant ended up being the best player in the deal; I'm high on the kid.

I look forward to Bryant winning ROTY this year and an All Star in year 3.

Yes, Barnes won the closest ROY race in a quarter century and was an injury replacement AS in the east. He has also never scored at even league average efficiency in his career — and with his ugly ass shot likely never will — and looks to have regressed, posting the worst efficiency of his career this past season. A good but not great defender.

He's... fine.

I mean, Chris Gatling made the all-star team once. There have been some bad all-stars before, especially among one off injury replacements. Barnes was never a genuine all-star. ROY is a meaningless award, it signifies nothing

[Chinook]

A lot these threads seem to come from the perspective of "Who has weaknesses that Wemby can cover?" rather than "Who helps Wemby and the others play better?" Victor is a DPOY frontrunner who's also a dynamic shooter. That goes really well with the limited PFs folks want the team to acquire. Those guys are flawed stars who need a good complimentary piece to truly be effective.

Victor is NOT that piece. He is the star, and instead of getting the benefit of a front-court running mate who can take some of the defensive and spacing burden off him, folks want Wemby to take a back seat so that those flawed players can continue to play their non-winning basketball. The same pieces that would help Sabonis, or Randle or Barnes play well would also help Wemby. He'd find far more success with a three-and-D center next to him than an on-ball scoring PF.

[Blame Rasho]

I look forward to Bryant winning ROTY this year and an All Star in year 3.

Yes, Barnes won the closest ROY race in a quarter century and was an injury replacement AS in the east. He has also never scored at even league average efficiency in his career — and with his ugly ass shot likely never will — and looks to have regressed, posting the worst efficiency of his career this past season. A good but not great defender.

He's... fine.

I mean, Chris Gatling made the all-star team once. There have been some bad all-stars before, especially among one off injury replacements. Barnes was never a genuine all-star. ROY is a meaningless award, it signifies nothing

We have Castle who might as well be Tyreke Evans or Michael Carter Williams. Should I be riding his nuts because he was a ROY? No one gives a crap about the ROY when you account for how bad a draft is.

You should also look at all star appearances and laugh at them. I mean Jamal Maglore was an all star… heck look at D Murray as well. I mean no one gives a crap unless about it unless you are obtuse.

It is funny seeing some fans cry about their player because other fans look at their significant flaws. I think he absolutely sucks in today’s nba.

[jbk1234]

A lot these threads seem to come from the perspective of "Who has weaknesses that Wemby can cover?" rather than "Who helps Wemby and the others play better?" Victor is a DPOY frontrunner who's also a dynamic shooter. That goes really well with the limited PFs folks want the team to acquire. Those guys are flawed stars who need a good complimentary piece to truly be effective.

Victor is NOT that piece. He is the star, and instead of getting the benefit of a front-court running mate who can take some of the defensive and spacing burden off him, folks want Wemby to take a back seat so that those flawed players can continue to play their non-winning basketball. The same pieces that would help Sabonis, or Randle or Barnes play well would also help Wemby. He'd find far more success with a three-and-D center next to him than an on-ball scoring PF.

I don't know that I agree with this entirely because Wemby can play away from the basket offensively and the Spurs shouldn't want him banging with other big men down low 82 games a season. Also, the list of 3 and D centers is basically Myles Turner. If you expand it to include PFs, you can add JJJ.

[SkyHook]

A lot these threads seem to come from the perspective of "Who has weaknesses that Wemby can cover?" rather than "Who helps Wemby and the others play better?" Victor is a DPOY frontrunner who's also a dynamic shooter. That goes really well with the limited PFs folks want the team to acquire. Those guys are flawed stars who need a good complimentary piece to truly be effective.

Victor is NOT that piece. He is the star, and instead of getting the benefit of a front-court running mate who can take some of the defensive and spacing burden off him, folks want Wemby to take a back seat so that those flawed players can continue to play their non-winning basketball. The same pieces that would help Sabonis, or Randle or Barnes play well would also help Wemby. He'd find far more success with a three-and-D center next to him than an on-ball scoring PF.

I don't know that I agree with this entirely because Wemby can play away from the basket offensively and the Spurs shouldn't want him banging with other big men down low 82 games a season. Also, the list of 3 and D centers is basically Myles Turner. If you expand it to include PFs, you can add JJJ.

This is an interesting discussion about what would constitute the best frontcourt partner for Wemby. Imo, the biggest need is for an absolute hoss on the boards beside him, particularly on the offensive end where Wemby is weakest (ranked 23rd in oREB% among qualifying centers). This weakness is primarily due to his positioning rather than his ability as he's taking an increasing number of his shots from behind the arc and one of the lowest percentage of shots at the rim that I can remember seeing from a 7 footer. Rebounding acquisition and/or development should be a higher priority for the Spurs than outside shooting, bulk scoring, or defensive prowess.

[One_and_Done]

A lot these threads seem to come from the perspective of "Who has weaknesses that Wemby can cover?" rather than "Who helps Wemby and the others play better?" Victor is a DPOY frontrunner who's also a dynamic shooter. That goes really well with the limited PFs folks want the team to acquire. Those guys are flawed stars who need a good complimentary piece to truly be effective.

Victor is NOT that piece. He is the star, and instead of getting the benefit of a front-court running mate who can take some of the defensive and spacing burden off him, folks want Wemby to take a back seat so that those flawed players can continue to play their non-winning basketball. The same pieces that would help Sabonis, or Randle or Barnes play well would also help Wemby. He'd find far more success with a three-and-D center next to him than an on-ball scoring PF.

I don't know that I agree with this entirely because Wemby can play away from the basket offensively and the Spurs shouldn't want him banging with other big men down low 82 games a season. Also, the list of 3 and D centers is basically Myles Turner. If you expand it to include PFs, you can add JJJ.

JJJ would be the ideal fit next to Wemby tbh. If people are trying to find an ideal PF pairing for Wemby, they should look in that direction.

The Spurs are currently in a transition period, where some of the young guys are stuck behind vets, but the future Spurs starting line-up looks to be mostly set. In 2 years I'd expect the starters include Wemby, Harper, C.Bryant, plus 2 others. One of those others could be Castle/Fox, another could theoretically be Vassell or Sochan.

In short, the Spurs don't need any more 5s, 4s who can't shoot/play D, or guards. Their potential need is a starter who can play D and shoot 3s, ideally a JJJ type, but they'd settle for someone like OG or Jaylen Brown. They really don't need anything else. These trades that constantly seek to dump flawed players like Sabonis, S.Barnes, etc, are non-starters.

[jbk1234]

A lot these threads seem to come from the perspective of "Who has weaknesses that Wemby can cover?" rather than "Who helps Wemby and the others play better?" Victor is a DPOY frontrunner who's also a dynamic shooter. That goes really well with the limited PFs folks want the team to acquire. Those guys are flawed stars who need a good complimentary piece to truly be effective.

Victor is NOT that piece. He is the star, and instead of getting the benefit of a front-court running mate who can take some of the defensive and spacing burden off him, folks want Wemby to take a back seat so that those flawed players can continue to play their non-winning basketball. The same pieces that would help Sabonis, or Randle or Barnes play well would also help Wemby. He'd find far more success with a three-and-D center next to him than an on-ball scoring PF.

I don't know that I agree with this entirely because Wemby can play away from the basket offensively and the Spurs shouldn't want him banging with other big men down low 82 games a season. Also, the list of 3 and D centers is basically Myles Turner. If you expand it to include PFs, you can add JJJ.

JJJ would be the ideal fit next to Wemby tbh. If people are trying to find an ideal PF pairing for Wemby, they should look in that direction.

The Spurs are currently in a transition period, where some of the young guys are stuck behind vets, but the future Spurs starting line-up looks to be mostly set. In 2 years I'd expect the starters include Wemby, Harper, C.Bryant, plus 2 others. One of those others could be Castle/Fox, another could theoretically be Vassell or Sochan.

In short, the Spurs don't need any more 5s, 4s who can't shoot/play D, or guards. Their potential need is a starter who can play D and shoot 3s, ideally a JJJ type, but they'd settle for someone like OG or Jaylen Brown. They really don't need anything else. These trades that constantly seek to dump flawed players like Sabonis, S.Barnes, etc, are non-starters.

There isn't a JJJ type, there's JJJ, and he's not terribly keen on playing the 5.

[One_and_Done]

I don't know that I agree with this entirely because Wemby can play away from the basket offensively and the Spurs shouldn't want him banging with other big men down low 82 games a season. Also, the list of 3 and D centers is basically Myles Turner. If you expand it to include PFs, you can add JJJ.

JJJ would be the ideal fit next to Wemby tbh. If people are trying to find an ideal PF pairing for Wemby, they should look in that direction.

The Spurs are currently in a transition period, where some of the young guys are stuck behind vets, but the future Spurs starting line-up looks to be mostly set. In 2 years I'd expect the starters include Wemby, Harper, C.Bryant, plus 2 others. One of those others could be Castle/Fox, another could theoretically be Vassell or Sochan.

In short, the Spurs don't need any more 5s, 4s who can't shoot/play D, or guards. Their potential need is a starter who can play D and shoot 3s, ideally a JJJ type, but they'd settle for someone like OG or Jaylen Brown. They really don't need anything else. These trades that constantly seek to dump flawed players like Sabonis, S.Barnes, etc, are non-starters.

There isn't a JJJ type, there's JJJ, and he's not terribly keen on playing the 5.

He'd mostly play the 4 next to Wemby. Agree on him being a 1 of 1 in today's league though. Guys like that are just not easy to get. So instead we get a barrage of trade offers for flawed players that would be contenders don't need.

[Wolveswin]

How about a 3 teamer for Wagner from Orlando - who is the PERFECT running mate with Wemby.

To Orlando: Barnes and Castle (need to be Harper?)

To Raptors: Vassell and Spurs picks

To Spurs: Wagner

Spread around some filler.

Magic have a roster to support Barnes and his skill set plus get a legit PG prospect - finally.