Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

JK has the best FT rate of anyone on the team not named Jimmy. What are you talking about? Jimmy FTr is like 65%, both an indication of how good he is at drawing fouls and how little he shoots. Of all the things to nitpick about JK's game, getting to the line is one of the few things he does at an elite level.

Jimmy does it at an elite level. Jk has 4 fta in 3 games. There’s nothing elite about that.

If jk got to the line like SGA or Jimmy he probably could be a no 1 option.

I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

Where are people streaming tonight's blazer game (or the last laker one)?

Jimmy draws fouls at will. Comparatively jk isn’t close.

[vvoland]

Jimmy does it at an elite level. Jk has 4 fta in 3 games. There’s nothing elite about that.

If jk got to the line like SGA or Jimmy he probably could be a no 1 option.

I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

Where are people streaming tonight's blazer game (or the last laker one)?

Jimmy draws fouls at will. Comparatively jk isn’t close.

I don't believe anyone is particularly close to Jimmy in free throw rate.

That does not, however, mean jk isn't elite at getting to the line.

[Onus]

I'm too lazy to look it up now but, JK's regular season free throw rate was ~40% . That's an elite number, similar to sga. Jimmy has been over 60% and is in another stratosphere. It's a metric that calculates fta as a % of fga, so Jimmy shooting so little from the field and getting to the line as often as he does really warps that stat. JB is a truly unique player.

Where are people streaming tonight's blazer game (or the last laker one)?

Jimmy draws fouls at will. Comparatively jk isn’t close.

I don't believe anyone is particularly close to Jimmy in free throw rate.

That does not, however, mean jk isn't elite at getting to the line.

Jk with another elite showing with 1 fta.

[vvoland]

Jimmy draws fouls at will. Comparatively jk isn’t close.

I don't believe anyone is particularly close to Jimmy in free throw rate.

That does not, however, mean jk isn't elite at getting to the line.

Jk with another elite showing with 1 fta.

Keep using preseason games that fit your narrative instead of 4 years of real numbers. Definitely seems like a genuine attempt at a discussion and not an obtuse attempt at being snide.

Im just getting to the end of Q1 but JK's having a good floor game, particularly passing and on the glass.

[Onus]

I don't believe anyone is particularly close to Jimmy in free throw rate.

That does not, however, mean jk isn't elite at getting to the line.

Jk with another elite showing with 1 fta.

Keep using preseason games that fit your narrative instead of 4 years of real numbers. Definitely seems like a genuine attempt at a discussion and not an obtuse attempt at being snide.

Im just getting to the end of Q1 but JK's having a good floor game, particularly passing and on the glass.

You’re the one who started being snide. I literally say if jk can get foul calls like Jimmy maybe he can be a no 1 option and you think that’s taking a shot at him. Smh

[vvoland]

No. THIS is what you said, emphasis mine:

Yeah... if he wasn't trying to do anything differently, I'd say we were doomed. But it does look to me like he's trying to do different (better) things, and just not doing them very well yet. So now we get to see if he can improve in those areas.

TBH JK is playing the way we would want him to play, but the issue is that the way he gets his offense, unless JK becomes a midrange assassin, relentlessly attacks the rim while becoming a foul merchant it's not going to lead to great offense. His midrange shot this year isn't it so he has to relentlessly attack the rim while drawing fouls consistently for the team to get great offense for the team. He has Jimmy's blueprint but the refs don't call fouls for jk. I think Jimmy hangs in the air longer to draw contact and then shoots the ball, whereas JK feels contact and then flails? But the way Jimmy draws fouls is crazy.[/quote]

Immediately, I conceded that JK doesn't get to the line like JB but no one does. You kept making the comp while saying JK is not elite because 1. he isn't as good as butler and 2. he hasn't gotten to the line very much in this preseason.

It was weird you chose to point to him not getting to the line as a problem when he does that very well. In fact, it's probably his best skill, even more impressive than his finishing at AND near the rim.

Let's just chalk it up to a miscommunication. I also hope he gets his foul rate up while continuing to attack the basket frequently. I don't want to see much in the mid range (and we haven't seen it almost at all this preseason) and I do hope his 3 can get to the mid 30s.

I thought he had a very good first half, really crisp passing and some great highpointing the ball on the defensive glass. I assume he got booted for not getting that foul call ? I mean, he did get whacked like 4 times on that play while watching a parade to the line for the blazers in the first 24 minutes.

[AirP.]

I thought he had a very good first half, really crisp passing and some great highpointing the ball on the defensive glass. I assume he got booted for not getting that foul call ? I mean, he did get whacked like 4 times on that play while watching a parade to the line for the blazers in the first 24 minutes.

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[ChuckDurn]

Are we going to keep posting all Kuminga trade ideas (or really, as it seems, anything related to him) here, or make other threads for them?

I’d be interested in seeing if the Warriors could somehow pick up Quentin Grimes….. and convince him to stay….. in a potential multi-team deal for Kuminga. And I wouldn’t be averse to sending Podziemski out as part of it, with the expectation that Grimes would really become our starting 2-guard for the future.

(To be clear, I’m not saying “give away Podziemski”……)

Something like:
Warriors out: Kuminga, Podziemski
Warriors in: Grimes, Okoro, #1 pick from Chicago (protected, or pick swap)

76ers out: Grimes, Oubre
76ers in: Kuminga

Bulls out: Okoro, #1 pick (protected, or pick swap)
Bulls in: Podziemski, Oubre

Additional (presumably minor) draft compensation as needed…..

(Note: I only really include Chicago here, because I don’t want Oubre anywhere near the Warriors; a much simpler deal would be just the Warriors and 76ers, Kuminga for Grimes + Oubre, some draft compensation one way or the other……)

[whatisacenter]

I thought he had a very good first half, really crisp passing and some great highpointing the ball on the defensive glass. I assume he got booted for not getting that foul call ? I mean, he did get whacked like 4 times on that play while watching a parade to the line for the blazers in the first 24 minutes.

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Didn't catch the ankle thing live but I see it in that clip....looked like two guys reached in as well.

[wco81]

One of the players people seem to be expecting to be moved is Lauri.

He's 28 now and earning a huge salary, over $46 million this season and next followed by $49.8 and %53.5 and then free agent in the summer of 2030 when he will be 33.

Can he help the Warriors? Well after two huge seasons in which he averaged 25.6 and 23.2 PPG on almost 50/40/90 shooting, his average and shooting dropped quite a bit last season and he played only 47 games. So maybe injuries and Utah tanking.

Then he had a big Eurobasket tournament, dragging a team of non-NBA players further than expected, while lighting it up. I don't know how much you can translate international basketball to the NBA, considering that there are maybe 5-10 NBA rotation players in the whole tourney, though Jokic and Luka are obviously top-5 NBA players.

I don't know though, Ainge tries to bend over trade partners. But does he want to pay those salaries for at least the next 2 seasons before teams are willing to take on only the last year or two of that contract?

Podcasters are noticing that the Warriors control a lot of FRPs. They'd be willing to trade those for Giannis but there are a lot of teams looking to pounce on a Giannis trade, many of whom have far more assets.

So is Lauri a viable consolation trade target? Or it's just not possible without the team going into the second apron and/or hollowing out roster by having to send out too many players?

[Onus]

One of the players people seem to be expecting to be moved is Lauri.

He's 28 now and earning a huge salary, over $46 million this season and next followed by $49.8 and %53.5 and then free agent in the summer of 2030 when he will be 33.

Can he help the Warriors? Well after two huge seasons in which he averaged 25.6 and 23.2 PPG on almost 50/40/90 shooting, his average and shooting dropped quite a bit last season and he played only 47 games. So maybe injuries and Utah tanking.

Then he had a big Eurobasket tournament, dragging a team of non-NBA players further than expected, while lighting it up. I don't know how much you can translate international basketball to the NBA, considering that there are maybe 5-10 NBA rotation players in the whole tourney, though Jokic and Luka are obviously top-5 NBA players.

I don't know though, Ainge tries to bend over trade partners. But does he want to pay those salaries for at least the next 2 seasons before teams are willing to take on only the last year or two of that contract?

Podcasters are noticing that the Warriors control a lot of FRPs. They'd be willing to trade those for Giannis but there are a lot of teams looking to pounce on a Giannis trade, many of whom have far more assets.

So is Lauri a viable consolation trade target? Or it's just not possible without the team going into the second apron and/or hollowing out roster by having to send out too many players?

Lauri makes way too much. I’m not even sure how we get the salaries to match without curry/jb/dray.

I’m not too worried about Lauri’s down season last year. It’s likely due to not having any pgs or anyone that wants to pass on the team.

[Larry Ellison]

Keegan got 5 yr/$140M. Don't tell JK.

[Onus]

Keegan got 5 yr/$140M. Don't tell JK.

That’s what happens when you play defense.

[superunknown]

One of the players people seem to be expecting to be moved is Lauri.

He's 28 now and earning a huge salary, over $46 million this season and next followed by $49.8 and %53.5 and then free agent in the summer of 2030 when he will be 33.

Can he help the Warriors? Well after two huge seasons in which he averaged 25.6 and 23.2 PPG on almost 50/40/90 shooting, his average and shooting dropped quite a bit last season and he played only 47 games. So maybe injuries and Utah tanking.

Then he had a big Eurobasket tournament, dragging a team of non-NBA players further than expected, while lighting it up. I don't know how much you can translate international basketball to the NBA, considering that there are maybe 5-10 NBA rotation players in the whole tourney, though Jokic and Luka are obviously top-5 NBA players.

I don't know though, Ainge tries to bend over trade partners. But does he want to pay those salaries for at least the next 2 seasons before teams are willing to take on only the last year or two of that contract?

Podcasters are noticing that the Warriors control a lot of FRPs. They'd be willing to trade those for Giannis but there are a lot of teams looking to pounce on a Giannis trade, many of whom have far more assets.

So is Lauri a viable consolation trade target? Or it's just not possible without the team going into the second apron and/or hollowing out roster by having to send out too many players?

that ship has sailed the moment he extended with UTA.
now it's ainge's turn to deal with it.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Keegan got 5 yr/$140M. Don't tell JK.

I dont think theres a team that would take jk over Murray.

Switchable defenders who can shoot have value, especially in the playoffs.

[Larry Ellison]

One of the players people seem to be expecting to be moved is Lauri.

He's 28 now and earning a huge salary, over $46 million this season and next followed by $49.8 and %53.5 and then free agent in the summer of 2030 when he will be 33.

Can he help the Warriors? Well after two huge seasons in which he averaged 25.6 and 23.2 PPG on almost 50/40/90 shooting, his average and shooting dropped quite a bit last season and he played only 47 games. So maybe injuries and Utah tanking.

Then he had a big Eurobasket tournament, dragging a team of non-NBA players further than expected, while lighting it up. I don't know how much you can translate international basketball to the NBA, considering that there are maybe 5-10 NBA rotation players in the whole tourney, though Jokic and Luka are obviously top-5 NBA players.

I don't know though, Ainge tries to bend over trade partners. But does he want to pay those salaries for at least the next 2 seasons before teams are willing to take on only the last year or two of that contract?

Podcasters are noticing that the Warriors control a lot of FRPs. They'd be willing to trade those for Giannis but there are a lot of teams looking to pounce on a Giannis trade, many of whom have far more assets.

So is Lauri a viable consolation trade target? Or it's just not possible without the team going into the second apron and/or hollowing out roster by having to send out too many players?

I like Lauri as a player. But there is such a long history of Ainge being unreasonable. I would not pay the price he wants for Lauri. I don't think Warriors should make any desperate moves and I would be reluctant to part with unprotected 1st rd picks if they are far out in the future. We will be a lottery team after Steph retires. Right now, we have a talented, deep team, with good chemistry, and vet leadership. I think MDJ will be patient and see if they can recapture the magic from earlier this year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[bay2hk]

Def dodged a few bullets with the potential s&t for Lauri and PG13 a few offseasons back. MDJ learns quick and proved it during the Kuminga contract negotiation. Don’t think I can say the same about Myers if he was still our GM.

[Onus]

One of the players people seem to be expecting to be moved is Lauri.

He's 28 now and earning a huge salary, over $46 million this season and next followed by $49.8 and %53.5 and then free agent in the summer of 2030 when he will be 33.

Can he help the Warriors? Well after two huge seasons in which he averaged 25.6 and 23.2 PPG on almost 50/40/90 shooting, his average and shooting dropped quite a bit last season and he played only 47 games. So maybe injuries and Utah tanking.

Then he had a big Eurobasket tournament, dragging a team of non-NBA players further than expected, while lighting it up. I don't know how much you can translate international basketball to the NBA, considering that there are maybe 5-10 NBA rotation players in the whole tourney, though Jokic and Luka are obviously top-5 NBA players.

I don't know though, Ainge tries to bend over trade partners. But does he want to pay those salaries for at least the next 2 seasons before teams are willing to take on only the last year or two of that contract?

Podcasters are noticing that the Warriors control a lot of FRPs. They'd be willing to trade those for Giannis but there are a lot of teams looking to pounce on a Giannis trade, many of whom have far more assets.

So is Lauri a viable consolation trade target? Or it's just not possible without the team going into the second apron and/or hollowing out roster by having to send out too many players?

that ship has sailed the moment he extended with UTA.
now it's ainge's turn to deal with it.

Yup ainge didn't cash out when he had a chance, now he's going to have to eat that contract and get a much lower return if he does trade him.

This is essentially what we did with JK but at least we only gave JK a 1+1 contract.

[Old_Blue]

Def dodged a few bullets with the potential s&t for Lauri and PG13 a few offseasons back. MDJ learns quick and proved it during the Kuminga contract negotiation. Don’t think I can say the same about Myers if he was still our GM.

At the time though, the number of people here who were aggressively advocating for the team to acquire Lauri was off the charts. For the longest time I had as my signature the quote of one moron who proclaimed that Lauri was the equivalent of Dirk Nowitzki.

[Onus]

Def dodged a few bullets with the potential s&t for Lauri and PG13 a few offseasons back. MDJ learns quick and proved it during the Kuminga contract negotiation. Don’t think I can say the same about Myers if he was still our GM.

At the time though, the number of people here who were aggressively advocating for the team to acquire Lauri was off the charts. For the longest time I had as my signature the quote of one moron who proclaimed that Lauri was the equivalent of Dirk Nowitzki.

There's an argument we could've won a title last year with Lauri. A lineup of Curry/Moody/JB/Dray/Lauri would be really really good.