Price KG vs Steph Draymond

[durantbird]

Would you rather build around Mark Price and Kevin Garnett or around Steph Curry and Draymond Green?

[Jaivl]

Why would I risk it?

[penbeast0]

We know you can build a championship team around Curry and Green, Garnett is a top 20 all-time player, possibly even top 10 (as arguably is Curry). No real indications that Price, good as he iwas, is capable of providing the same level of impact as Green has provided on the Curry based teams of his era.

[Cavsfansince84]

Price+KG absolutely could win titles together but there's two huge factors that would make me lean Steph/Draymond which are a. a proven record of actually winning titles together and b. Price's injury/durability issues. So ya no way I am picking KG/Price over what seems like a sure thing.

[Ol Roy]

Is Klay Thompson (or an equivalent) available for both duos? Or neither?

[durantbird]

Is Klay Thompson (or an equivalent) available for both duos? Or neither?

You're starting the team without one

[iggymcfrack]

We know you can build a championship team around Curry and Green, Garnett is a top 20 all-time player, possibly even top 10 (as arguably is Curry). No real indications that Price, good as he iwas, is capable of providing the same level of impact as Green has provided on the Curry based teams of his era.

I would definitely take Curry and Draymond as well, but I think the argument if you take the KG/Price team is that without Minnesota's terrible coaching staff and front office holding him back, the 5 out 3-point shooting rim-protecting center version of KG you would get is not only an easy top 5, but challenging Bron and MJ for GOAT-hood.

I have KG as a top 3-5 player if you draft them all as they enter the league and start from scratch, but I think there's a solid argument he could be higher.

[penbeast0]

We know you can build a championship team around Curry and Green, Garnett is a top 20 all-time player, possibly even top 10 (as arguably is Curry). No real indications that Price, good as he iwas, is capable of providing the same level of impact as Green has provided on the Curry based teams of his era.

I would definitely take Curry and Draymond as well, but I think the argument if you take the KG/Price team is that without Minnesota's terrible coaching staff and front office holding him back, the 5 out 3-point shooting rim-protecting center version of KG you would get is not only an easy top 5, but challenging Bron and MJ for GOAT-hood.

I have KG as a top 3-5 player if you draft them all as they enter the league and start from scratch, but I think there's a solid argument he could be higher.

The main issue isn't whether KG could have the impact of a Curry, I'd argue yes given the right situation. The issue is whether Mark Price can ever, in any NBA contender situation, have the impact that Draymond Green has had with the Warriors. I would argue that he doesn't approach this level of ability. Sub in a Steve Nash or John Stockton for Price and I think you have a competitive argument.

[iggymcfrack]

We know you can build a championship team around Curry and Green, Garnett is a top 20 all-time player, possibly even top 10 (as arguably is Curry). No real indications that Price, good as he iwas, is capable of providing the same level of impact as Green has provided on the Curry based teams of his era.

I would definitely take Curry and Draymond as well, but I think the argument if you take the KG/Price team is that without Minnesota's terrible coaching staff and front office holding him back, the 5 out 3-point shooting rim-protecting center version of KG you would get is not only an easy top 5, but challenging Bron and MJ for GOAT-hood.

I have KG as a top 3-5 player if you draft them all as they enter the league and start from scratch, but I think there's a solid argument he could be higher.

The main issue isn't whether KG could have the impact of a Curry, I'd argue yes given the right situation. The issue is whether Mark Price can ever, in any NBA contender situation, have the impact that Draymond Green has had with the Warriors. I would argue that he doesn't approach this level of ability. Sub in a Steve Nash or John Stockton for Price and I think you have a competitive argument.

You’re missing my point. Obviously Price can’t have the impact of Green. My point is that there’s an argument that KG with a decent coaching staff playing as a 5 out center could have a LeBron-type impact and beat Curry and Draymond with Price playing the Kyrie role.

If Curry’s a top 10 player, Draymond’s a top 30 player, and Price is like top 150, then the path for the KG team to win is just for him to play like the GOAT once he’s fully unlocked.

[Ron Swanson]

The best offensive player here by a landslide plus the guy who's at least pretty comparable to KG's defensive impact seems like the easy answer. This is more than just the proven track record of Curry/Draymond for me though, as I'm not really seeing what makes Price and KG some great fit together.

[Ol Roy]

As usual, context is important. I think the Price/KG duo get a boost playing today, while the Curry/Draymond duo get a haircut playing in the past. In equal circumstances, I think Price could approximate Curry's value more than Draymond could approximate KG's value. For Price, it's more of a matter of scaling up 3P attempts, while Draymond has already overachieved based on his talent level-there's no more juice to squeeze. And KG, while already better than Draymond, actually has more untapped potential (in the 3P and playmaking areas) repressed by his era.

[parsnips33]

I imagine Steph's value especially would increase in past eras, just as a matter of defenses being less prepared strategically and personnel wise to deal with a hyper efficient volume deep threat

[Ol Roy]

I imagine Steph's value especially would increase in past eras, just as a matter of defenses being less prepared strategically and personnel wise to deal with a hyper efficient volume deep threat

Well, if he is allowed to retain his playstyle, I agree that his relative value would increase, perhaps even his absolute value. When putting players in other eras I assume players must be adapted to the proclivities and rules of the time.

[One_and_Done]

Never mind all the other points... Price had his career derailed by injuries. The only reason to take him and KG is if you are taking KG over both Curry and Green.

If you take Price and KG, with hindsight, the first thing you need to find is another point guard, because Price only had 5 healthy prime seasons in his career.

[parsnips33]

I imagine Steph's value especially would increase in past eras, just as a matter of defenses being less prepared strategically and personnel wise to deal with a hyper efficient volume deep threat

Well, if he is allowed to retain his playstyle, I agree that his relative value would increase, perhaps even his absolute value. When putting players in other eras I assume players must be adapted to the proclivities and rules of the time.

Rules I definitely agree, playstyle/proclivities I think things get a little blurry. There's always been players who are "ahead of their time" in every era

Ultimately this gets to why I think it's best to examine players in the actual environment they played in, although the time machine thought exercises can be fun

[Top10alltime]

This is a very easy question.

Draymond is literally the perfect fit for Curry. He's even better than Ayesha for Curry too .

Look at Curry without Draymond, and take a look at Draymond without Curry. Both are trash. But once you pair them together it's a perfect fit. IDC that KD is arguably the best Warrior through 17-19, that team was built around this duo. They cover for each other's weakness' and mistakes, and a dynasty made off of this team.

Even with KG currently (top 25 offensive player, instead of top 35 only, and the GOAT defender), there's no reason for Price to be good fit with KG. KG isn't making a dynasty by himself with those Wolves, at best they have 1 finals appearance.

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[jdzimme3]

I would definitely take Curry and Draymond as well, but I think the argument if you take the KG/Price team is that without Minnesota's terrible coaching staff and front office holding him back, the 5 out 3-point shooting rim-protecting center version of KG you would get is not only an easy top 5, but challenging Bron and MJ for GOAT-hood.

I have KG as a top 3-5 player if you draft them all as they enter the league and start from scratch, but I think there's a solid argument he could be higher.

The main issue isn't whether KG could have the impact of a Curry, I'd argue yes given the right situation. The issue is whether Mark Price can ever, in any NBA contender situation, have the impact that Draymond Green has had with the Warriors. I would argue that he doesn't approach this level of ability. Sub in a Steve Nash or John Stockton for Price and I think you have a competitive argument.

You’re missing my point. Obviously Price can’t have the impact of Green. My point is that there’s an argument that KG with a decent coaching staff playing as a 5 out center could have a LeBron-type impact and beat Curry and Draymond with Price playing the Kyrie role.

If Curry’s a top 10 player, Draymond’s a top 30 player, and Price is like top 150, then the path for the KG team to win is just for him to play like the GOAT once he’s fully unlocked.

Mark Price put up 18 and 8 over his prime, shooting 40% from 3. His peak years he had higher vorp and won shares than Draymond. Draymond isn't close to a top 30 player and price is incredibly underrated. I would rather start a team, today, with Mark Price than Draymond green.