Around the league -- Offseason edition

[Super Cooper]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25259327-top-100-players-2025-26-nba-season-ranked

Bleacher Reports top-100. No long term injured.

Dallas Mavericks: Dereck Lively II (79), Cooper Flagg (62), Anthony Davis (12)

1. Joker
2. SGA
3. Giannis
4. Luka
5. Steph
6. Wemby
7. Ant
8. Lebron
9. Spider
10. Brunson
11. Durrant
12. AD
13. Cade
14. Mobley
15. JDub
16. Booker
17. Butler
18. KAT
19. Kawhi
20. Paolo
21. Brown
22. Sengun
23. Trae
24. Harden
25. Siakom
26. Embiid
27. Bam
28. Sabonis
29. JJJ
30. Zion

Thoughts? Especially with AD at 12...

Funny how we HAD 2 in top 10 who are still in their 20s and all we have yielded is a 32 yo injury prone #12.

Fricken pathetic!!!

Yup. What are your thoughts on AD being ranked 12th?

[41Dirk41]

Street clothes is in his place more and less... One of the best Robin in the league when he is healthy, not a Batman.

LeBron is too high for me. Top 20 at max.

Brunson& Luka in the top 10 hurt a lot but no more pessimism otherwise Mr B will cry again.

[Teffer10]

Thoughts? Especially with AD at 12...

Funny how we HAD 2 in top 10 who are still in their 20s and all we have yielded is a 32 yo injury prone #12.

Fricken pathetic!!!

Yup. What are your thoughts on AD being ranked 12th?

Too high imo.
But then I'm one of the people on this board that want him traded for assets that fit Flagg and Lively's timeframe.

[Mavrelous]

I know it's preseason, but HOU started this insanely big lineup last night.

Amen (6'-7")
Durant (6'-11")
JSJ (6'-11")
Sengun (6'-11")
Adams (6'-11")

HOU and DAL rosters are similarly constructed. I really think many teams will be rolling with big lineups this year.

Houston "discovered" the big look against the Mavs, in AD's debut, they got back to the game by going to it, it also was their only effective lineup against the Ws in the PO because of their insane rebounding rate.

You're missing the reason why this lineup can work, it's Sengun, who's Jokic light as playmaker. He was 3rd in assists in Eurobasket and Udoka is using him similarly in preseason. If Udoka can really use him as legit playmaker in RS, Rockets might be the best team in the West.

No, that wasn't the reason, Rockets were putrid offensive team with Sengun, the reason was offensice rebounsing and zone, enabled by Amen Thompason and Dillon Brooks perimeter D.

[Bob8]

Houston "discovered" the big look against the Mavs, in AD's debut, they got back to the game by going to it, it also was their only effective lineup against the Ws in the PO because of their insane rebounding rate.

You're missing the reason why this lineup can work, it's Sengun, who's Jokic light as playmaker. He was 3rd in assists in Eurobasket and Udoka is using him similarly in preseason. If Udoka can really use him as legit playmaker in RS, Rockets might be the best team in the West.

No, that wasn't the reason, Rockets were putrid offensive team with Sengun, the reason was offensice rebounsing and zone, enabled by Amen Thompason and Dillon Brooks perimeter D.

Did you watch Sengun in Eurobasket? I guess not, unfortunately for the league Udoka did. He's used differently now, at least in preseason. If they are able to use his playmaking talent in RS too, Rockets will be extremely hard to beat.

[Mavrelous]

You're missing the reason why this lineup can work, it's Sengun, who's Jokic light as playmaker. He was 3rd in assists in Eurobasket and Udoka is using him similarly in preseason. If Udoka can really use him as legit playmaker in RS, Rockets might be the best team in the West.

No, that wasn't the reason, Rockets were putrid offensive team with Sengun, the reason was offensice rebounsing and zone, enabled by Amen Thompason and Dillon Brooks perimeter D.

Did you watch Sengun in Eurobasket? I guess not, unfortunately for the league Udoka did. He's used differently now, at least in preseason. If they are able to use his playmaking talent in RS too, Rockets will be extremely hard to beat.

I did watch him in Ejrobasket, did you watch the Warriors/Rockets series? Because that's the subject matter.
He had shooters in Turkey, he didn't have any last year, this year he has Durant, and he himself was much worse shooting than he was in EB.

[Bob8]

No, that wasn't the reason, Rockets were putrid offensive team with Sengun, the reason was offensice rebounsing and zone, enabled by Amen Thompason and Dillon Brooks perimeter D.

Did you watch Sengun in Eurobasket? I guess not, unfortunately for the league Udoka did. He's used differently now, at least in preseason. If they are able to use his playmaking talent in RS too, Rockets will be extremely hard to beat.

I did watch him in Ejrobasket, did you watch the Warriors/Rockets series? Because that's the subject matter.
He had shooters in Turkey, he didn't have any last year, this year he has Durant, and he himself was much worse shooting than he was in EB.

Last year Sengun averaged 2.4 assists and in 3 preseason games he averages 8.3 assists. It's a huge jump, only a preseason, but it's obviously he's used differently, probably because FVV is out and Udoka has found different solution, but you still have to have a big capable of doing that. And Sengun looked better than Jokic in Eurobasket. I'm not saying he's better player than Jokic, but he's for sure one of only few bigs in Nba able to create that much for others.

Point is, to play those big lineups without a true Pg, you have to have a big capable of playmaking and shooting. Rockets have that, Mavs haven't.

[Mavrelous]

Did you watch Sengun in Eurobasket? I guess not, unfortunately for the league Udoka did. He's used differently now, at least in preseason. If they are able to use his playmaking talent in RS too, Rockets will be extremely hard to beat.

I did watch him in Ejrobasket, did you watch the Warriors/Rockets series? Because that's the subject matter.
He had shooters in Turkey, he didn't have any last year, this year he has Durant, and he himself was much worse shooting than he was in EB.

Last year Sengun averaged 2.4 assists and in 3 preseason games he averages 8.3 assists. It's a huge jump, only a preseason, but it's obviously he's used differently, probably because FVV is out and Udoka has found different solution, but you still have to have a big capable of doing that. And Sengun looked better than Jokic in Eurobasket. I'm not saying he's better player than Jokic, but he's for sure one of only few bigs in Nba able to create that much for others.

Point is, to play those big lineups without a true Pg, you have to have a big capable of playmaking and shooting. Rockets have that, Mavs haven't.

That's great, but I was talking specifically about how the lineup worked last year, and last year they had great net rating because of their rebounding that covered for their putrid offense.
Udoka isn't Ataman on offense and I need to see him in high stakes games when people sag off of him in the high post and his shooting confidence isn't there.

[Bob8]

I did watch him in Ejrobasket, did you watch the Warriors/Rockets series? Because that's the subject matter.
He had shooters in Turkey, he didn't have any last year, this year he has Durant, and he himself was much worse shooting than he was in EB.

Last year Sengun averaged 2.4 assists and in 3 preseason games he averages 8.3 assists. It's a huge jump, only a preseason, but it's obviously he's used differently, probably because FVV is out and Udoka has found different solution, but you still have to have a big capable of doing that. And Sengun looked better than Jokic in Eurobasket. I'm not saying he's better player than Jokic, but he's for sure one of only few bigs in Nba able to create that much for others.

Point is, to play those big lineups without a true Pg, you have to have a big capable of playmaking and shooting. Rockets have that, Mavs haven't.

That's great, but I was talking specifically about how the lineup worked last year, and last year they had great net rating because of their rebounding that covered for their putrid offense.
Udoka isn't Ataman on offense and I need to see him in high stakes games when people sag off of him in the high post and his shooting confidence isn't there.

I was talking about how big lineups can work this year and what is the crucial difference between Rockets and Mavs, who both want to play with a big lineup.

[Mr B]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25259327-top-100-players-2025-26-nba-season-ranked

Bleacher Reports top-100. No long term injured.

Dallas Mavericks: Dereck Lively II (79), Cooper Flagg (62), Anthony Davis (12)

1. Joker
2. SGA
3. Giannis
4. Luka
5. Steph
6. Wemby
7. Ant
8. Lebron
9. Spider
10. Brunson
11. Durrant
12. AD
13. Cade
14. Mobley
15. JDub
16. Booker
17. Butler
18. KAT
19. Kawhi
20. Paolo
21. Brown
22. Sengun
23. Trae
24. Harden
25. Siakom
26. Embiid
27. Bam
28. Sabonis
29. JJJ
30. Zion

Thoughts? Especially with AD at 12...

Funny how we HAD 2 in top 10 who are still in their 20s and all we have yielded is a 32 yo injury prone #12.

Fricken pathetic!!!

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

[Bob8]

Thoughts? Especially with AD at 12...

Funny how we HAD 2 in top 10 who are still in their 20s and all we have yielded is a 32 yo injury prone #12.

Fricken pathetic!!!

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

It's not true. He was more than ready to sign a pretty modest contract in the beginning of his last season, but FO just didn't know what to do, I guess he didn't like his D. Not to even mention, that he would be restricted FA, if he got normal rookie contract. They made 2 bigs ****.

[41Dirk41]

That "it's always someone else's fault" mood is pathetic and a great loser way to think... We drafted Brunson&Doncic and we can't be able to keep them and mostly we lost them for basically nothing (Brunson) and half of a penny (Doncic). That's it.

[Archx]

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

It was Cuban's ego and Nico's incompetence why Brunson left. They literally offered Mavs a deal, (TWICE) which would have kept Brunson on the Mavs for a long time.. and it was also a very cheap deal.

[41Dirk41]

Dinwiddie waived. Please no. No.no.

[Mr B]

Funny how we HAD 2 in top 10 who are still in their 20s and all we have yielded is a 32 yo injury prone #12.

Fricken pathetic!!!

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

It's not true. He was more than ready to sign a pretty modest contract in the beginning of his last season, but FO just didn't know what to do, I guess he didn't like his D. Not to even mention, that he would be restricted FA, if he got normal rookie contract. They made 2 bigs ****.

Brunson was never going to sign a contract with the Mavs, especially not a modest one. His intention was to always leave the Mavs. The Knicks tampered and got penalized for it.

[Mr B]

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

It was Cuban's ego and Nico's incompetence why Brunson left. They literally offered Mavs a deal, (TWICE) which would have kept Brunson on the Mavs for a long time.. and it was also a very cheap deal.

Is that why the Knicks were penalized for tampering? Because of Cuban and Nico. They made the Knicks tamper?

And there you go with your personal attacks towards someone who has a different opinion than yours.

[Archx]

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

It was Cuban's ego and Nico's incompetence why Brunson left. They literally offered Mavs a deal, (TWICE) which would have kept Brunson on the Mavs for a long time.. and it was also a very cheap deal.

Is that why the Knicks were penalized for tampering? Because of Cuban and Nico. They made the Knicks tamper?

And there you go with your personal attacks towards someone who has a different opinion than yours.

What are you reading?? What personal attacks? I just corrected your statement because i guess you don't have all the info.

Rick Brunson said himself they went to Mavs at the start of the season and once more afterwards and Mavs declined him both times. Offer from Rick was 55/4.
Jalen on his prodcast (or it was interview, can't exactly remember), said he expected to be a Maverick for life but they shifted towards the Knicks when they got the feeling that Jalen was not appreciated by the Mavericks, so Knicks started heavily recruiting him. His price also went up after good playoff performance.

[Bob8]

If you mean Brunson he was never staying in Dallas. The Knicks tampered and Brunson was fine with it because he wanted to play for the Knicks. He 100% intended on leaving.

It's not true. He was more than ready to sign a pretty modest contract in the beginning of his last season, but FO just didn't know what to do, I guess he didn't like his D. Not to even mention, that he would be restricted FA, if he got normal rookie contract. They made 2 bigs ****.

Brunson was never going to sign a contract with the Mavs, especially not a modest one. His intention was to always leave the Mavs. The Knicks tampered and got penalized for it.

Man just stopped it. It was Brunson's camp, who offered that deal. Brunson in December wasn't worth much. He made his price after trade deadline, when they started to play well and in playoffs, when Luka didn't play few games. Just google it or ask AI.

[Mr B]

It was Cuban's ego and Nico's incompetence why Brunson left. They literally offered Mavs a deal, (TWICE) which would have kept Brunson on the Mavs for a long time.. and it was also a very cheap deal.

Is that why the Knicks were penalized for tampering? Because of Cuban and Nico. They made the Knicks tamper?

And there you go with your personal attacks towards someone who has a different opinion than yours.

What are you reading?? What personal attacks? I just corrected your statement because i guess you don't have all the info.

Rick Brunson said himself they went to Mavs at the start of the season and once more afterwards and Mavs declined him both times. Offer from Rick was 55/4.
Jalen on his prodcast (or it was interview, can't exactly remember), said he expected to be a Maverick for life but they shifted towards the Knicks when they got the feeling that Jalen was not appreciated by the Mavericks, so Knicks started heavily recruiting him. His price also went up after good playoff performance.

So you believe the guy that helped the Knicks tamper to get his son to the Knicks? Lies. Brunson never had any intention of resigning with the Mavs. The plan was always to get him to the Knicks.

[Mr B]

It's not true. He was more than ready to sign a pretty modest contract in the beginning of his last season, but FO just didn't know what to do, I guess he didn't like his D. Not to even mention, that he would be restricted FA, if he got normal rookie contract. They made 2 bigs ****.

Brunson was never going to sign a contract with the Mavs, especially not a modest one. His intention was to always leave the Mavs. The Knicks tampered and got penalized for it.

Man just stopped it. It was Brunson's camp, who offered that deal. Brunson in December wasn't worth much. He made his price after trade deadline, when they started to play well and in playoffs, when Luka didn't play few games. Just google it or ask AI.

So then why would the Knicks be penalized for tampering? They never negotiated with the Mavs in good faith. The plan was always to go to the Knicks. He was never resigning with the Mavs.