Around the league -- Offseason edition

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Is that why the Knicks were penalized for tampering? Because of Cuban and Nico. They made the Knicks tamper?

And there you go with your personal attacks towards someone who has a different opinion than yours.

What are you reading?? What personal attacks? I just corrected your statement because i guess you don't have all the info.

Rick Brunson said himself they went to Mavs at the start of the season and once more afterwards and Mavs declined him both times. Offer from Rick was 55/4.
Jalen on his prodcast (or it was interview, can't exactly remember), said he expected to be a Maverick for life but they shifted towards the Knicks when they got the feeling that Jalen was not appreciated by the Mavericks, so Knicks started heavily recruiting him. His price also went up after good playoff performance.

So you believe the guy that helped the Knicks tamper to get his son to the Knicks? Lies. Brunson never had any intention of resigning with the Mavs. The plan was always to get him to the Knicks.

Because both things can be true. One thing happened at the start and mid season and the other AFTER the season was done. Technically you're not allowed to talk to FA's before league wide window opens. NBA slapped Knicks on the wrist because that was all they could prove. Obviously there were talks with Brunson family on back channels but that was after the fact anyway... That was when Rick had enough of Cuban's BS and didn't want to talk to Mavs anymore.

[Mr B]

What are you reading?? What personal attacks? I just corrected your statement because i guess you don't have all the info.

Rick Brunson said himself they went to Mavs at the start of the season and once more afterwards and Mavs declined him both times. Offer from Rick was 55/4.
Jalen on his prodcast (or it was interview, can't exactly remember), said he expected to be a Maverick for life but they shifted towards the Knicks when they got the feeling that Jalen was not appreciated by the Mavericks, so Knicks started heavily recruiting him. His price also went up after good playoff performance.

So you believe the guy that helped the Knicks tamper to get his son to the Knicks? Lies. Brunson never had any intention of resigning with the Mavs. The plan was always to get him to the Knicks.

Because both things can be true. One thing happened at the start and mid season and the other AFTER the season was done. Technically you're not allowed to talk to FA's before league wide window opens. NBA slapped Knicks on the wrist because that was all they could prove. Obviously there were talks with Brunson family on back channels but that was after the fact anyway... That was when Rick had enough of Cuban's BS and didn't want to talk to Mavs anymore.

It wasn’t after the fact. You believe what you want but there is no way Brunson ever intended to resign with the Mavs.

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So you believe the guy that helped the Knicks tamper to get his son to the Knicks? Lies. Brunson never had any intention of resigning with the Mavs. The plan was always to get him to the Knicks.

Because both things can be true. One thing happened at the start and mid season and the other AFTER the season was done. Technically you're not allowed to talk to FA's before league wide window opens. NBA slapped Knicks on the wrist because that was all they could prove. Obviously there were talks with Brunson family on back channels but that was after the fact anyway... That was when Rick had enough of Cuban's BS and didn't want to talk to Mavs anymore.

It wasn’t after the fact. You believe what you want but there is no way Brunson ever intended to resign with the Mavs.

I was actually wrong, their offer was even less than 55/4, it was 50M.

Rick and Jalen Brunson decided they’d accept a 4-year, $50 million extension following the 2020-21 season from the Mavericks — however, they weren’t ready to make that commitment with a new head coach and general manager.

In February 2022 leading up to the trade deadline, Brunson’s agents passed on word that a five-year, $87 million offer would be accepted. Instead, the Mavericks offered Brunson the four-year, $55.5 million extension.

“That was a 30-second conversation,” Rick Brunson said. “I wasn’t on the phone, but how I got the message was, ‘You guys wouldn’t be interested in that deal now, would you?’ That’s how it was said to me. I just laughed.”

Brunson would later agree to a 4-year, $104 million deal with the Knicks in the summer of 2022.

Per @espn_macmahon

[Mr B]

Because both things can be true. One thing happened at the start and mid season and the other AFTER the season was done. Technically you're not allowed to talk to FA's before league wide window opens. NBA slapped Knicks on the wrist because that was all they could prove. Obviously there were talks with Brunson family on back channels but that was after the fact anyway... That was when Rick had enough of Cuban's BS and didn't want to talk to Mavs anymore.

It wasn’t after the fact. You believe what you want but there is no way Brunson ever intended to resign with the Mavs.

I was actually wrong, their offer was even less than 55/4, it was 50M.

Rick and Jalen Brunson decided they’d accept a 4-year, $50 million extension following the 2020-21 season from the Mavericks — however, they weren’t ready to make that commitment with a new head coach and general manager.

In February 2022 leading up to the trade deadline, Brunson’s agents passed on word that a five-year, $87 million offer would be accepted. Instead, the Mavericks offered Brunson the four-year, $55.5 million extension.

“That was a 30-second conversation,” Rick Brunson said. “I wasn’t on the phone, but how I got the message was, ‘You guys wouldn’t be interested in that deal now, would you?’ That’s how it was said to me. I just laughed.”

Brunson would later agree to a 4-year, $104 million deal with the Knicks in the summer of 2022.

Per @espn_macmahon

They weren’t ready to make that commitment to the Mavs because Brunson already had a promise from the Knicks.

[Bob8]

It wasn’t after the fact. You believe what you want but there is no way Brunson ever intended to resign with the Mavs.

I was actually wrong, their offer was even less than 55/4, it was 50M.

Rick and Jalen Brunson decided they’d accept a 4-year, $50 million extension following the 2020-21 season from the Mavericks — however, they weren’t ready to make that commitment with a new head coach and general manager.

In February 2022 leading up to the trade deadline, Brunson’s agents passed on word that a five-year, $87 million offer would be accepted. Instead, the Mavericks offered Brunson the four-year, $55.5 million extension.

“That was a 30-second conversation,” Rick Brunson said. “I wasn’t on the phone, but how I got the message was, ‘You guys wouldn’t be interested in that deal now, would you?’ That’s how it was said to me. I just laughed.”

Brunson would later agree to a 4-year, $104 million deal with the Knicks in the summer of 2022.

Per @espn_macmahon

They weren’t ready to make that commitment to the Mavs because Brunson already had a promise from the Knicks.

Mavs didn't want to commit because they didn't believe in him. Nico basically destroyed contender, first letting go Brunson and then trading Luka. Just imagine, if they had Brunson for 55/4. Kyrie was near 40 per year and they gave DFS away. They would have had DFS and another 25 mio per year player.

[Mr B]

I was actually wrong, their offer was even less than 55/4, it was 50M.

Rick and Jalen Brunson decided they’d accept a 4-year, $50 million extension following the 2020-21 season from the Mavericks — however, they weren’t ready to make that commitment with a new head coach and general manager.

In February 2022 leading up to the trade deadline, Brunson’s agents passed on word that a five-year, $87 million offer would be accepted. Instead, the Mavericks offered Brunson the four-year, $55.5 million extension.

“That was a 30-second conversation,” Rick Brunson said. “I wasn’t on the phone, but how I got the message was, ‘You guys wouldn’t be interested in that deal now, would you?’ That’s how it was said to me. I just laughed.”

Brunson would later agree to a 4-year, $104 million deal with the Knicks in the summer of 2022.

Per @espn_macmahon

They weren’t ready to make that commitment to the Mavs because Brunson already had a promise from the Knicks.

Mavs didn't want to commit because they didn't believe in him. Nico basically destroyed contender, first letting go Brunson and then trading Luka. Just imagine, if they had Brunson for 55/4. Kyrie was near 40 per year and they gave DFS away. They would have had DFS and another 25 mio per year player.

If that’s what you want to believe go right ahead. It’s pretty clear though that Brunson and his dad were never negotiating in good faith.

[Bob8]

They weren’t ready to make that commitment to the Mavs because Brunson already had a promise from the Knicks.

Mavs didn't want to commit because they didn't believe in him. Nico basically destroyed contender, first letting go Brunson and then trading Luka. Just imagine, if they had Brunson for 55/4. Kyrie was near 40 per year and they gave DFS away. They would have had DFS and another 25 mio per year player.

If that’s what you want to believe go right ahead. It’s pretty clear though that Brunson and his dad were never negotiating in good faith.

I honestly don't understand what are you talking about, Brunson in the start of the season was literally nobody, he was bad in previous playoffs 8/1/2 and 12/3/3 in RS. Getting 55/4 was a wet dream for him, Knicks didn't care about him. Mavs could have easily signed him and he would have been grateful. I can't believe you aren't able to ask AI, how things have gone down.

[Mr B]

Mavs didn't want to commit because they didn't believe in him. Nico basically destroyed contender, first letting go Brunson and then trading Luka. Just imagine, if they had Brunson for 55/4. Kyrie was near 40 per year and they gave DFS away. They would have had DFS and another 25 mio per year player.

If that’s what you want to believe go right ahead. It’s pretty clear though that Brunson and his dad were never negotiating in good faith.

I honestly don't understand what are you talking about, Brunson in the start of the season was literally nobody, he was bad in previous playoffs 8/1/2 and 12/3/3 in RS. Getting 55/4 was a wet dream for him, Knicks didn't care about him. Mavs could have easily signed him and he would have been grateful. I can't believe you aren't able to ask AI, how things have gone down.

He was nobody to you. To the Knicks he was already a priority which is why they tampered. The goal was always to get him to the Knicks. You can thank his dad for that.

[Bob8]

If that’s what you want to believe go right ahead. It’s pretty clear though that Brunson and his dad were never negotiating in good faith.

I honestly don't understand what are you talking about, Brunson in the start of the season was literally nobody, he was bad in previous playoffs 8/1/2 and 12/3/3 in RS. Getting 55/4 was a wet dream for him, Knicks didn't care about him. Mavs could have easily signed him and he would have been grateful. I can't believe you aren't able to ask AI, how things have gone down.

He was nobody to you. To the Knicks he was already a priority which is why they tampered. The goal was always to get him to the Knicks. You can thank his dad for that.

8/1/2 is a nobody. You don't give 100 mio+ for player like that. Mavs could easily sign him, but apparently he was nobody for Nico too.

[Super Cooper]

Y'all , both are true. The Brunsons decided he was going to NYK after they low-balled him and couldn't get him a decent extension. When Brunson went off in the playoffs, the FO thought they still had him. Nope.

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Y'all , both are true. The Brunsons decided he was going to NYK after they low-balled him and couldn't get him a decent extension. When Brunson went off in the playoffs, the FO thought they still had him. Nope.

Well yeah, that's the point. But he thinks Brunson NEVER intended to stay with the Mavs which makes me think he has a problem of reading, so he created his own version of the events that happened in chronological order.

[Super Cooper]

Y'all , both are true. The Brunsons decided he was going to NYK after they low-balled him and couldn't get him a decent extension. When Brunson went off in the playoffs, the FO thought they still had him. Nope.

Well yeah, that's the point. But he thinks Brunson NEVER intended to stay with the Mavs which makes me think he has a problem of reading, so he created his own version of the events that happened in chronological order.

I think that is true, but only after the Mavs offered less than half of what he ended up signing. When you lose an asset like Brunson, you always have to blame the front office. Rick Brunson was a know commodity. It was up to the GM to properly handle the situation, before he became a UFA.

[41Dirk41]

Y'all , both are true. The Brunsons decided he was going to NYK after they low-balled him and couldn't get him a decent extension. When Brunson went off in the playoffs, the FO thought they still had him. Nope.

Well yeah, that's the point. But he thinks Brunson NEVER intended to stay with the Mavs which makes me think he has a problem of reading, so he created his own version of the events that happened in chronological order.

I think that is true, but only after the Mavs offered less than half of what he ended up signing. When you lose an asset like Brunson, you always have to blame the front office. Rick Brunson was a know commodity. It was up to the GM to properly handle the situation, before he became a UFA.

Agree.

It was a disaster, a huge failure.

Denying it is merely a childish defense.

[Mr B]

I honestly don't understand what are you talking about, Brunson in the start of the season was literally nobody, he was bad in previous playoffs 8/1/2 and 12/3/3 in RS. Getting 55/4 was a wet dream for him, Knicks didn't care about him. Mavs could have easily signed him and he would have been grateful. I can't believe you aren't able to ask AI, how things have gone down.

He was nobody to you. To the Knicks he was already a priority which is why they tampered. The goal was always to get him to the Knicks. You can thank his dad for that.

8/1/2 is a nobody. You don't give 100 mio+ for player like that. Mavs could easily sign him, but apparently he was nobody for Nico too.

He averaged 8/1/2 because Luka spends 90% of the shot clock dribbling the ball. It’s no coincidence that as soon as he got a chance to run the show he showed what he could do (Utah series). Brunson didn’t all of a sudden become good. He’d been a good player for a while but couldn’t show it because Luka dominates the ball. The Knicks obviously knew how good he was too.

[Bob8]

He was nobody to you. To the Knicks he was already a priority which is why they tampered. The goal was always to get him to the Knicks. You can thank his dad for that.

8/1/2 is a nobody. You don't give 100 mio+ for player like that. Mavs could easily sign him, but apparently he was nobody for Nico too.

He averaged 8/1/2 because Luka spends 90% of the shot clock dribbling the ball. It’s no coincidence that as soon as he got a chance to run the show he showed what he could do (Utah series). Brunson didn’t all of a sudden become good. He’d been a good player for a while but couldn’t show it because Luka dominates the ball. The Knicks obviously knew how good he was too.

So you're saying that Luka and Brunson's camp is guilty that he didn't sign with Mavs? But not Nico?

Brunson was useless against Clippers defenders, that wasn't Luka's fault. Funny enough, Brunson has played great with Luka in 3 guard lineup after the trade line and in playoffs. Unfortunately for Mavs, he wasn't ready to sign that low contract anymore and yes then was the time when Knicks played crucial role, but not in start of the season, when Brunson was more than ready to sign.

[Archx]

8/1/2 is a nobody. You don't give 100 mio+ for player like that. Mavs could easily sign him, but apparently he was nobody for Nico too.

He averaged 8/1/2 because Luka spends 90% of the shot clock dribbling the ball. It’s no coincidence that as soon as he got a chance to run the show he showed what he could do (Utah series). Brunson didn’t all of a sudden become good. He’d been a good player for a while but couldn’t show it because Luka dominates the ball. The Knicks obviously knew how good he was too.

So you're saying that Luka and Brunson's camp is guilty that he didn't sign with Mavs? But not Nico?

Brunson was useless against Clippers defenders, that wasn't Luka's fault. Funny enough, Brunson has played great with Luka in 3 guard lineup after the trade line and in playoffs. Unfortunately for Mavs, he wasn't ready to sign that low contract anymore and yes then was the time when Knicks played crucial role, but not in start of the season, when Brunson was more than ready to sign.

I mean he's not wrong. Look at Kyrie, averaged 40ppg his whole career and then went down to 15ppg as soon as he joined Mavs. Nico saw all time top5 trajectory in Brunson, but... he just made a tiny mistake, forgot to re-sign him in the process

[Bob8]

I put some money on Rockets winning it all.

[41Dirk41]

I put some money on Rockets winning it all.

The Rockets with FVV were very scary... Now i don't know, probably not enough to beat OKC.

[-Jragon-]

KM on Wizards is going to sour. In a preseason game I just saw him box out 4x in a row.. more than in the last 6 years here. Then he missed 2 defensive assignments in a row and was pulled. He's obviously being told he has to earn his PT... I predict he'll be "injured" soon

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[Super Cooper]

I put some money on Rockets winning it all.

The Rockets with FVV were very scary... Now i don't know, probably not enough to beat OKC.

I agree. I'm the world's biggest Amen fan, but I think he'll be exposed at fulltime PG. That and relying on Adams to stay healthy is problematic. He's averaged 50 games the last 2 seasons, only 42 last season. Capela in that spot probably won't work.

Similar situation to us, but with better pieces.

BTW, if we didn't have PJ, I'd go after Tari Eason.