Which of LeBron's running mates would MJ have the best chemistry with? Irving, Love, Wade, Bosh, Davis or Doncic?

[Wolveswin]

No im very confident he (and every other player in basketball history) would’ve lost in 2007. Laughable to suggest otherwise. The Spurs team was way better

LeBron played about as well as humanly possible in the 2009 series btw. He averaged 40.

That Spurs team were a good team but nothing special. Far from being the best Spurs team and part of the best champions from 00-10 era either.

MJ never lost as a favourite (the Cavs were favourite against the Magic).That Magic squad was good but not an insurmontable stacked one and far from being an all-time great team.

Bulls was the favourite to beat the Magic in 1995, they lost that series with him choking in numerous key moments and MJ won't even make the Finals in 2007 with the Cavs, he's not built to carry a terrible squad to playoffs series win. He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years, got swept and miss the postseason twice without a stacked squad.

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

[One Last Shot]

That Spurs team were a good team but nothing special. Far from being the best Spurs team and part of the best champions from 00-10 era either.

MJ never lost as a favourite (the Cavs were favourite against the Magic).That Magic squad was good but not an insurmontable stacked one and far from being an all-time great team.

Bulls was the favourite to beat the Magic in 1995, they lost that series with him choking in numerous key moments and MJ won't even make the Finals in 2007 with the Cavs, he's not built to carry a terrible squad to playoffs series win. He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years, got swept and miss the postseason twice without a stacked squad.

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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[Wolveswin]

Bulls was the favourite to beat the Magic in 1995, they lost that series with him choking in numerous key moments and MJ won't even make the Finals in 2007 with the Cavs, he's not built to carry a terrible squad to playoffs series win. He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years, got swept and miss the postseason twice without a stacked squad.

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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List the rosters of those MJ teams before Pippen. Laughable.

Then list the roster of Pippen’s Bulls when Jordan played some baseball.

You will find you’re are trying to sell apples to an orange tree.

You take any championship squad, remove the 2nd best player - and of course they aren’t as good. Basketball is a team sport. These are always such a dumb arguments.

[picko]

Luka and Irving play no defense, MJ would punch them in the mouth, just like he did Steve Kerr.

Wade plays his same position, so AD is the only correct answer.

Jordan would absolutely punch AD in the face after the 10th time he misses two weeks with a niggle. Davis would be an incredibly frustrating teammate given his incredible talent, perceived softness and often (relatively) disappointing results.

[ballzboyee]

I'll go with Bosh or AD. Jordan does not need another ball dominant iso wing so Luka and Wade are out. Kevin Love would be fine but Bosh and AD are more versatile and can play both ends. Kyrie is a true pg when he wants to be. He would be also be technically great running the floor with MJ and they would be super offensively dynamic together, but really you want to pair MJ with another dominant defender and MJ does not need a setup man for his three-level game. Bosh and AD can both anchor the paint, switch, play drop coverage, and play man away from the basket. MJ paired with either Bosh or AD would already be an elite defensive team unless they were just surrounded with defensive scrubs up and down the roster.

Honestly, however, if you put any of those players with MJ you already would have a nice core duo for a championship run.

[MrGoat]

Any of them would find a way to make it work just because of the talent level though the Wade fit would be a little weird because of the bad spacing and them both playing the same position and even then I think they would have found a way to make it work.

I'll go with Luka. Two ball dominant players can absolutely work together, three is where it gets dicey. I remember people thinking Kyrie and Luka would be a disaster together because they're both ball dominant, wrong. People have a hard time envisioning MJ playing with a such high octane player like Luka because MJ never played with a player as savage on offense as Luka and MJ would actually have had a lot of fun playing with him. MJ had an off ball game too. And Luka will give you better defense too if he has his own high octane teammate and you don't play Dorian Finney Smith at center like the Lakers did. The Mavs' defense held up fine against Boston in the Finals, Kyrie disappeared and none of the role players hit open shots so it really an offensive failure for Dallas. Hard to see that happening if you replaced Kyrie with MJ.

[MavsDirk41]

Bulls was the favourite to beat the Magic in 1995, they lost that series with him choking in numerous key moments and MJ won't even make the Finals in 2007 with the Cavs, he's not built to carry a terrible squad to playoffs series win. He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years, got swept and miss the postseason twice without a stacked squad.

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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Lets take a look at their best teammates without each other shall we?

Jordan

Oakley
Paxson
Hamilton
Stackhouse
Corzine
Woolridge
Haywood
Lue
Laettner

Pippen

Hakeem
Barkley
Sabonis
Rasheed Wallace
Steve Smith
Damon Stoudamire
Dale Davis
Bonzi Wells

I would also argue that the only years in which Pippen was the best player on his team was 93/94 and 94/95 until Jordan came back. Jordan was always the best player on his team. Those Portland teams Pippen played on were stacked with talent. Not a very good argument on your part.

Also, besides the 95 loss to Orlando, in which other playoff series did Jordan lose that he/his team was expected to win….ill wait.

[One Last Shot]

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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Lets take a look at their best teammates without each other shall we?

Jordan

Oakley
Paxson
Hamilton
Stackhouse
Corzine
Woolridge
Haywood
Lue
Laettner

Pippen

Hakeem
Barkley
Sabonis
Rasheed Wallace
Steve Smith
Damon Stoudamire
Dale Davis
Bonzi Wells

I would also argue that the only years in which Pippen was the best player on his team was 93/94 and 94/95 until Jordan came back. Jordan was always the best player on his team. Those Portland teams Pippen played on were stacked with talent. Not a very good argument on your part.

Also, besides the 95 loss to Orlando, in which other playoff series did Jordan lose that he/his team was expected to win….ill wait.

Where did I said there's other playoffs series besides Orlando that Jordan lost when they are expected to win? Can you point that out for me? I'll wait. I just corrected a misinformation below posted in this thread.

MJ never lost as a favourite (the Cavs were favourite against the Magic).That Magic squad was good but not an insurmontable stacked one and far from being an all-time great team.

[MavsDirk41]

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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Lets take a look at their best teammates without each other shall we?

Jordan

Oakley
Paxson
Hamilton
Stackhouse
Corzine
Woolridge
Haywood
Lue
Laettner

Pippen

Hakeem
Barkley
Sabonis
Rasheed Wallace
Steve Smith
Damon Stoudamire
Dale Davis
Bonzi Wells

I would also argue that the only years in which Pippen was the best player on his team was 93/94 and 94/95 until Jordan came back. Jordan was always the best player on his team. Those Portland teams Pippen played on were stacked with talent. Not a very good argument on your part.

Also, besides the 95 loss to Orlando, in which other playoff series did Jordan lose that he/his team was expected to win….ill wait.

Where did I said there's other playoffs series besides Orlando that Jordan lost when they are expected to win? Can you point that out for me? I'll wait.

You posted statistics comparing RS/playoff winning percentages of both players without each other. Before Pippen Jordan was losing in the playoffs to Birds Celtics with Corzine, Oakley, Brade Sellers, and Orlando Woolridge. Then Jordan was losing to the Bad Boy Pistons in the playoffs while Pippen learned how to play. Jordan averaged 41 ppg against Cleveland during his first playoff series win. Pippen averaged i think 10 ppg in that series.

Then Pippen played on a stacked Portland team with Sabonis, Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, Bonzi Wells, and Dale Davis. Take out Pippen and replace him with Jordan in that lineup and what do you think would have happened? Better team maybe? Pippen had one and a half great years without Jordan. How many great years did Jordan have without Pippen? Those stats you posted dont tell the whole story is what im saying.

[Wolveswin]

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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List the rosters of those MJ teams before Pippen. Laughable.

Then list the roster of Pippen’s Bulls when Jordan played some baseball.

You will find you’re are trying to sell apples to an orange tree.

You take any championship squad, remove the 2nd best player - and of course they aren’t as good. Basketball is a team sport. These are always such a dumb arguments.

So you aren’t going to answer this?

[MavsDirk41]

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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List the rosters of those MJ teams before Pippen. Laughable.

Then list the roster of Pippen’s Bulls when Jordan played some baseball.

You will find you’re are trying to sell apples to an orange tree.

You take any championship squad, remove the 2nd best player - and of course they aren’t as good. Basketball is a team sport. These are always such a dumb arguments.

So you aren’t going to answer this?

I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.

[TheGOATRises007]

Davis probably.

[Wolveswin]

List the rosters of those MJ teams before Pippen. Laughable.

Then list the roster of Pippen’s Bulls when Jordan played some baseball.

You will find you’re are trying to sell apples to an orange tree.

You take any championship squad, remove the 2nd best player - and of course they aren’t as good. Basketball is a team sport. These are always such a dumb arguments.

So you aren’t going to answer this?

I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.

Let’s be delicate - a man getting his narrative crushed is a painful moment.

[One Last Shot]

List the rosters of those MJ teams before Pippen. Laughable.

Then list the roster of Pippen’s Bulls when Jordan played some baseball.

You will find you’re are trying to sell apples to an orange tree.

You take any championship squad, remove the 2nd best player - and of course they aren’t as good. Basketball is a team sport. These are always such a dumb arguments.

So you aren’t going to answer this?

I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.

You are wrong. 1st seed doesn't always get favored in playoffs series. In 2015, 1st seed Atlanta Hawks was an underdog against the 2nd seed Cleveland Cavaliers. In 2018, 1st seed Houston Rockets was an underdog against 2nd seed Golden St. Warriors. In 1993, 1st seed New York Knicks was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls.

[NZB2323]

Bulls was the favourite to beat the Magic in 1995, they lost that series with him choking in numerous key moments and MJ won't even make the Finals in 2007 with the Cavs, he's not built to carry a terrible squad to playoffs series win. He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years, got swept and miss the postseason twice without a stacked squad.

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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Troll alert. Pippen only played in 44 games in 1998 and had the back injury in game 7, which is the only game in NBA history where a player(Jordan) outscored all of his teammates. In the last 2 minutes Jordan scored, stole the ball, and then scored again for the game winning shot. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. But I’m sure they won the gamr because of Pippen, not Jordan, right?

In 88 against the Cavs, Jordan averaged 45, 5, and 5, 63.2 TS%, 34 GmSc and hit the series winning shot, abs Pippen averaged 11, 5, and 2, 49.4 TS%, 7.4 GmSc, but the Bulls won that series because of Pippen, not Jordan, right?

[MavsDirk41]

So you aren’t going to answer this?

I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.

You are wrong. 1st seed doesn't always get favored in playoffs series. In 2015, 1st seed Atlanta Hawks was an underdog against the 2nd seed Cleveland Cavaliers. In 2018, 1st seed Houston Rockets was an underdog against 2nd seed Golden St. Warriors. In 1993, 1st seed New York Knicks was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls.

If you take out the 2 star players for both teams of Shaq/Penny and Jordan/Pippen, Orlando had the better supporting cast with Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott. The Bulls supporting cast wasnt bad obviously with Kukoc, Kerr, BJ, and Longley, but Orlandos supporting cast was better. Pretty sure 95 was the year Horace made the all star team, so Orlando had 3 all atar players on their team.

[One Last Shot]

I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.

You are wrong. 1st seed doesn't always get favored in playoffs series. In 2015, 1st seed Atlanta Hawks was an underdog against the 2nd seed Cleveland Cavaliers. In 2018, 1st seed Houston Rockets was an underdog against 2nd seed Golden St. Warriors. In 1993, 1st seed New York Knicks was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls.

If you take out the 2 star players for both teams of Shaq/Penny and Jordan/Pippen, Orlando had the better supporting cast with Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott. The Bulls supporting cast wasnt bad obviously with Kukoc, Kerr, BJ, and Longley, but Orlandos supporting cast was better. Pretty sure 95 was the year Horace made the all star team, so Orlando had 3 all atar players on their team.

and the 2015 Hawks have 4 all star players on their team, what's your point? Am I wrong to tell you that you are wrong when you said that the 1st seed always get favored in playoffs series? That the 1st seed 1995 Orlando Magic was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls? How about 1st seed Hawks against Cavs in 2015? 1st seed Rockets against Warriors in 2018? 1st seed Knicks against Bulls in 1993? Prove me wrong I'll wait.

[One Last Shot]

lol say you don’t know what you are talking about without saying you don’t know what you are talking about.

Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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Troll alert. Pippen only played in 44 games in 1998 and had the back injury in game 7, which is the only game in NBA history where a player(Jordan) outscored all of his teammates. In the last 2 minutes Jordan scored, stole the ball, and then scored again for the game winning shot. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. But I’m sure they won the gamr because of Pippen, not Jordan, right?

In 88 against the Cavs, Jordan averaged 45, 5, and 5, 63.2 TS%, 34 GmSc and hit the series winning shot, abs Pippen averaged 11, 5, and 2, 49.4 TS%, 7.4 GmSc, but the Bulls won that series because of Pippen, not Jordan, right?

How about Wilt's 100 points and Kobe's 81 points? Did they also outscored all of their teammates or not?

I'm not sure why I'm a troll, I just said MJ is a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and when he played for the Wizards. This stats is from bballref



1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games, that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and in his last 2 years with the Wizards without Scottie. It seems like a losing player to me don't you think? He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years and never had a single winning season without Pippen. That's not being a troll, that's the truth.

[MavsDirk41]

You are wrong. 1st seed doesn't always get favored in playoffs series. In 2015, 1st seed Atlanta Hawks was an underdog against the 2nd seed Cleveland Cavaliers. In 2018, 1st seed Houston Rockets was an underdog against 2nd seed Golden St. Warriors. In 1993, 1st seed New York Knicks was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls.

If you take out the 2 star players for both teams of Shaq/Penny and Jordan/Pippen, Orlando had the better supporting cast with Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott. The Bulls supporting cast wasnt bad obviously with Kukoc, Kerr, BJ, and Longley, but Orlandos supporting cast was better. Pretty sure 95 was the year Horace made the all star team, so Orlando had 3 all atar players on their team.

and the 2015 Hawks have 4 all star players on their team, what's your point? Am I wrong to tell you that you are wrong when you said that the 1st seed always get favored in playoffs series? That the 1st seed 1995 Orlando Magic was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls? How about 1st seed Hawks against Cavs in 2015? 1st seed Rockets against Warriors in 2018? 1st seed Knicks against Bulls in 1993? Prove me wrong I'll wait.

I never said the #1 seed is ALWAYS favored in a series. A majority of the time, the #1 seed in a conference is going to be favored. But i never said ALWAYS. Specifically talking about the 95 Bulls they finished the season 13-4 after Jordan came back so they were hot going into the postseason, but Orlando had the better team that year so them winning that series wasnt an upset.

And again, what playoff series was Jordan suppose to win pre-Pippen? You haven’t answered that question yet. But ill wait….

[Diop]

Bosh easily for me, stretch big who sacrificed his scoring game to help his team win as his team mates needed room to drive.

MJ would get sick of AD being injured and crying he doesn't want to play centre.