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Re: Raps vs Celtics: Preseason - Wed, Oct 15th, 2025 - 730PM EST 

Post#521 » by Son Goku 25 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:55 am

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Son Goku 25 wrote:I find IQ really annoying as a player. I think we had too much high hopes for him, he's not even a poor man's Maxey. Id rather have RJ on the team than him but we need his one skill that he has over RJ which is shooting.

Hopefully we don't shy away if we need to blow it up this season and tank or look aggressively at trades.


IQs shooting will be valuable on this team… it makes no sense to complain about the guy who’s been consistent in a skill that this team sorely lacks. The only player that annoys me in the starting lineup right now is Barnes.


That's the thing, our team is flawed. IQ being propped up and made into a starting pg when he really should be coming off the bench, then you have Barnes who I think we're on the same page. Then you got RJ and Yak, both solid players and Yak being the more winning player but again, both can't hit shots or fts at a high enough level. Btw this is coming from a huge Yak fan, I think he's a winning player who we should keep. Then you got Ingram who is one injury away from being out for months and our team will probably fall off again but he's at least elite on the offensive side and passable on defense.

I think the right coach can get the most out of these guys and they need to play their roles correctly, that includes probably limiting Barnes offensively and just forcing him to attack relentlessly in the paint and pushing the pace whenever he can.
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Post#522 » by Son Goku 25 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:57 am

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Son Goku 25 wrote:I find IQ really annoying as a player. I think we had too much high hopes for him, he's not even a poor man's Maxey. Id rather have RJ on the team than him but we need his one skill that he has over RJ which is shooting.

Hopefully we don't shy away if we need to blow it up this season and tank or look aggressively at trades.


I was never a big IQ believer. I would take Pritchard over him as a starting PG.

I have been saying it for over a year now. If this team wants to get serious about winning, they need a serioud 2 way upgrade at the PG position. A young Holiday type player would do wonders for this team.



I completely agree. I just wish it was easy finding guards like Lowry and Holiday. Those are championship guards for a reason. I find iQ to be really soft, he does get pushed really easily and is injury prone, his shot though is nice he's just really avg though at best overall. This team is really flawed and I think we're gonna have to wait a few years or so for them to start being really good with likely another set of players.
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Re: Raps vs Celtics: Preseason - Wed, Oct 15th, 2025 - 730PM EST 

Post#523 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:01 pm

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OAKLEY_2 wrote:Shead starting and handling and letting Scottie be point forward would make the offence so much better.

I just don't know how anyone can watch the games and think the solution is MORE scottie barnes at PG

He just might be so detrimental off ball that it's better to put him on the ball. So it's not about more PG Scottie, but less off ball Scottie screwing up the spacing for everyone and having his defenders help off him. Of course on ball Scottie has its own limitations, his defender might sag off of him but the floor will be better spaced...it's a theory not without its merits.

IMO, Scottie is not a guy you want facilitating every position. His dribble is to high, his decision making is to poor, etc.
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Post#524 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:04 pm

MEDIC wrote:I was never a big IQ believer. I would take Pritchard over him as a starting PG.

Which is funny, cause Prichard is in the same role as IQ was when we acquired him. Prichard hit a lot of open 3's on a stacked team, and is older. Lets see how he looks on a normal team this year.
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Post#525 » by MEDIC » Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:13 pm

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MEDIC wrote:I was never a big IQ believer. I would take Pritchard over him as a starting PG.

Which is funny, cause Prichard is in the same role as IQ was when we acquired him. Prichard hit a lot of open 3's on a stacked team, and is older. Lets see how he looks on a normal team this year.


Pritchard isn't the answer if you want to win a ship, but I.like his game more. Much more physical & fiestier.
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Post#526 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:50 pm

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MEDIC wrote:I was never a big IQ believer. I would take Pritchard over him as a starting PG.

Which is funny, cause Prichard is in the same role as IQ was when we acquired him. Prichard hit a lot of open 3's on a stacked team, and is older. Lets see how he looks on a normal team this year.


Pritchard isn't the answer if you want to win a ship, but I.like his game more. Much more physical & fiestier.

Sure, but I just do find it funny how the grass is always greener.

IQ was putting up 15/3/3 60TS% in 24mpg when we got him. Prichard was 14/4/4 63TS% in 28mpg last year (on a much better team which helps).

Prichard would look a lot worse if his teammates were Poeltl, Barnes, and Barrett instead of Brown, Tatum, Holiday, White, Horford, Porzingis,, etc.
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Post#527 » by MEDIC » Fri Oct 17, 2025 3:03 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Which is funny, cause Prichard is in the same role as IQ was when we acquired him. Prichard hit a lot of open 3's on a stacked team, and is older. Lets see how he looks on a normal team this year.


Pritchard isn't the answer if you want to win a ship, but I.like his game more. Much more physical & fiestier.

Sure, but I just do find it funny how the grass is always greener.

IQ was putting up 15/3/3 60TS% in 24mpg when we got him. Prichard was 14/4/4 63TS% in 28mpg last year (on a much better team which helps).

Prichard would look a lot worse if his teammates were Poeltl, Barnes, and Barrett instead of Brown, Tatum, Holiday, White, Horford, Porzingis,, etc.


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Post#528 » by MEDIC » Fri Oct 17, 2025 3:18 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Sure, but I just do find it funny how the grass is always greener.

IQ was putting up 15/3/3 60TS% in 24mpg when we got him. Prichard was 14/4/4 63TS% in 28mpg last year (on a much better team which helps).


Besides the money (which is obviously the biggest factor), for me it's comes down to style of play. I like Pritchards play style more. Pritchard is kind of like Lowry lite from a scoring perspective. Uses a lot of physicality & strength. IQ isn't a very physical player & he can't beat his man off the dribble. Not a good combination.

Prichard would look a lot worse if his teammates were Poeltl, Barnes, and Barrett instead of Brown, Tatum, Holiday, White, Horford, Porzingis,, etc.


I don't totally agree with this. Pritchard seems to be able to handle himself at this point in his career. He is an excellent ball handler & a very physical guard. The guy has no fear. There is no Horford, KP, Holiday or Tatum this season, so the proof will be there. It will be interesting to see who has the best season between the two.
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Post#529 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:53 pm

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Pritchard isn't the answer if you want to win a ship, but I.like his game more. Much more physical & fiestier.

Sure, but I just do find it funny how the grass is always greener.

IQ was putting up 15/3/3 60TS% in 24mpg when we got him. Prichard was 14/4/4 63TS% in 28mpg last year (on a much better team which helps).

Prichard would look a lot worse if his teammates were Poeltl, Barnes, and Barrett instead of Brown, Tatum, Holiday, White, Horford, Porzingis,, etc.


$7.5 million vs. 32.5 million

Sure. But we weren't discussing salaries.

MEDIC wrote:I don't totally agree with this. Pritchard seems to be able to handle himself at this point in his career. He is an excellent ball handler & a very physical guard. The guy has no fear. There is no Horford, KP, Holiday or Tatum this season, so the proof will be there. It will be interesting to see who has the best season between the two.

So far in preseason he is at 14/4/5 on 36% shooting. Which means nothing, but is also all we have to look at right now.

He was a guy who took 75% of his shots last year from 3, and 80% of them were assisted. He was doing very little creating, although his assited 2pt% was very, very low. How much of that was the fact he had the best spacing in the league to drive or not is TBD, but I would expect a significant efficiency drop coming for him this year if he is forced into more difficult shots with worse teammates.

Going from a team in which used to rock 4-5 shooters at all time to now having 3-ish is going to have a huge impact. Lot easier to defend Prichard when the threats to kick out are Quetas and Boucher instead of Porzingis and Tatum.

I think Prichard will be fine. But he is going to be humbled just as much, if not more, as IQ did when he was thrusted into a larger role.
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