Preseason Game and PG Thread #5!!!!!!!!!!!-Knicks Vs Hornets 10/17/25 7:30Pm Est

[stuporman]

I'm glad to see nobody has said 6 7 in here...oh crap.

[3toheadmelo]

what rosters did the wolves have pre-rudy trade that were contender quality?



this insinuates they built a great roster around Kat stacked with talent but couldn't get it done due to poor defense. so please tell me which year(s) they had such roster.

Towns-centered teams were glorified turnstiles for a large part of his early career. Minnesota ranked in the bottom 10 in defense for six straight seasons from 2015-16 to 2020-21, with their best performance coming in the year Towns missed almost half of their games.

You'll never get an honest debate from MeLo.

The cutoff here is 2020-21 for a reason, because in 2021-22 the Wolves were 13th defensively, which doesn't fit his narrative. KAT played 74 games that season too, and his starting PG was D'Angelo Russell.

Did you just try to use a season where they were a first round exit to the grizzlies for your argument?

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[3toheadmelo]

Its apples and oranges for history though. Those Minnesota teams can't compare to our team talent wise. They didn't have a Brunson...they didn't have wings like OG and Mikal.

They basically had one 60 games stretch of not crazy Jimmy butler.



Basically what this tells me from last year is that our offense was Elite when KAT was in the game and then it goes to **** when he's off the floor. The defense gets slightly better with him off the floor which checks out but not at the gap that the offense fails. And nearly all these minutes were with him at the 5 next year.

So KAT at the 4 really isn't helping the offense enough to cover up the his defense. And yes Mitch clearly helps rim protection I get that...I also don't think Mitch with the starters magically makes us a top 5 defensive team either...it is really hard to be a top defensive team Brunson/KAT sharing the floor togehter.

Sometimes you just have to commit to your strengths and try to offset the weaknesses in other areas.

I mean our roster is not really that talented either. Besides Brunson we have a bunch of high paid role players. It's not that different from having Ant Edwards with Jaden Mcdaniels, Naz reid, malik Beasley, NAW etc. And that team with Butler was pretty stacked with a lot of offensive fire power.

KAT's defense absolutely killed us against indiana at the 5.

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In Game 2, that strategic targeting became glaringly obvious. Towns registered a game-worst minus-20 in his 28 minutes, and it wasn’t just about missed shots.

The Pacers shot 9-of-18 from three with Towns on the court and only 4-of-12 without him. Coach Tom Thibodeau responded by benching Towns for over six minutes in the fourth quarter, turning to Mitchell Robinson for a defensive spark.

Robinson, far more agile defending the perimeter and in pick-and-rolls, played a postseason-high 29 minutes. His presence helped tighten the gaps, and the Knicks mounted a late push with him anchoring the paint.

Yet by the time Towns re-entered with just 2:25 left and the deficit unchanged at nine points, the damage was already done.

This is why the FO forced thibs to start Mitch in game 3.

You can't ignore the article about how our players and coaches were very frustrated with him defensively all year. Hart even expressed his frustration with KAT after game 2.

We need him to be locked in and communicate defensively,” Hart said when asked generally what the Knicks need from Towns. “That’s all we need from him. Need him to communicate at a high level.”

Still a small sample size with Indy...and we were a thibs end of game terrible management off of winning game 1 and being up in theory 2-1 on them. So this idea that it was a complete disaster isn't correct. Was KAT's defense good? No, but there were a lot of factors.

Josh Hart hurting his hand at end of series vs BOS and being a complete bum vs Indy was a big part of the lineup change. Also a couple of a players just looked worn out that series and the shooting went to ****.

Blaming Thibs for losing game 1 when the players literally gave up doesn't make sense to me. They even admitted they stopped playing hard and the L was on them. In fact, OG was even pissed at KAT.

It appeared that this team grew closer throughout the postseason with each improbable win. There were still issues that spilled into the public view, like when Anunoby and Towns were caught on camera arguing on the bench following a blown defensive assignment during the collapse in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals. This group went through challenging situations together, several of them, and often came out the other side as victors. There were some within the organization who went into the postseason worried about how this team would handle adversity. Those concerns were quickly erased after capturing multiple nail-biting victories in the first round.

It's not a small sample size. That's just who KAT has been in the playoffs his whole career. Indiana was just another example of how detrimental his defense is.

Sorry man, the players and coaches literally are saying the same thing.

Players and coaches from the New York Knicks weren't thrilled with Karl-Anthony Towns' "defensive habits" across the 2024-25 NBA season, according to The Athletic's James L. Edwards III and Fred Katz.

"Too often, Towns executed incorrect coverages without communicating why he did it," Edwards and Katz said. "After it became a theme, players worried Towns didn't grasp the importance of the matter.

"The ability to constructively critique became a point of emphasis."

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You'll never get an honest debate from MeLo.

The cutoff here is 2020-21 for a reason, because in 2021-22 the Wolves were 13th defensively, which doesn't fit his narrative. KAT played 74 games that season too, and his starting PG was D'Angelo Russell.

Did you just try to use a season where they were a first round exit to the grizzlies for your argument?

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BenzinoDoesDopeOnSundays strikes again!

We made it to the ECF with KAT as our starting C, by beating your Celtics, after a certain poster spent months saying we were mid, memba?

[thebuzzardman]

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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This preseason was an absolute waste for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing was gained!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would not be surprised if we started off 0-5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're better without LaMelo, should be a tougher game with him out.

Knicks losing either way

[TheGreenArrow]

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[TheGreenArrow]

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Og is injury proned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should’ve traded him for Giannis when we had the chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[god shammgod]

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Og is injury proned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should’ve traded him for Giannis when we had the chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[god shammgod]

so half the knicks and hornets aint playing. at this point just cancel preseason. you made it half as long and still nobody plays.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Unreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thibs had it right folksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No practicing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These dudes are so fragile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

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Unreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thibs had it right folksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No practicing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These dudes are so fragile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's preseason green satan! Relax!

These games don't count.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Unreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thibs had it right folksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No practicing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These dudes are so fragile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's preseason green satan! Relax!

These games don't count.

Normally I’d agree mp but this is a new coach with a new system and we have no clue how this rosters fits with his philosophy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Preseason is where we were supposed to get those reps in but it’s been a complete and utter disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not good Mp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOTTT GOOODDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HEZI]

If they are all injured that’s not good because half the team being hurt and games don’t even count yet is just bad

If they are resting then what did you accomplish because they didn’t look or play way at all so they really should be playing if they are healthy enough to

Just questionable decision making all around

[TheGreenArrow]

If they are all injured that’s not good because half the team being hurt and games don’t even count yet is just bad

If they are resting then what did you accomplish because they didn’t look or play way at all so they really should be playing if they are healthy enough to

Just questionable decision making all around

Exactly my point Heizyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Capn'O]

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Og is injury proned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should’ve traded him for Giannis when we had the chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We didn't have the chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Capn'O]

so half the knicks and hornets aint playing. at this point just cancel preseason. you made it half as long and still nobody plays.

It kinda should be for trying out guys on the end of the roster and seeing if you have anything.

What they shouldn't do is broadcast any preseason games on ESPN so I can't get it through League Pass



I do think we'd be playing our guys if CHA was playing theirs.

[3toheadmelo]

You'll never get an honest debate from MeLo.

The cutoff here is 2020-21 for a reason, because in 2021-22 the Wolves were 13th defensively, which doesn't fit his narrative. KAT played 74 games that season too, and his starting PG was D'Angelo Russell.

Did you just try to use a season where they were a first round exit to the grizzlies for your argument?

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BenzinoDoesDopeOnSundays strikes again!

We made it to the ECF with KAT as our starting C, by beating your Celtics, after a certain poster spent months saying we were mid, memba?

And yet Knicks decided that they aren't starting KAT anymore at C.

[F N 11]

Show me something Tyler.

[3toheadmelo]

Hopefully Clarkson takes 15 shots today. LFG!

[offense]

friday night knicks time