ALCS Game #5 - Toronto at Seattle (Friday, 6:08)

[xAIRNESSx]

Little had only given up 1 run in his last 8 appearances so I guess it’s not completely aggregious

[JCP11]

So there were basically 3 options:

Little: gives up the least homeruns but walks the most

Dominguez: bad against lefties facing 4 outta 5 of them. (And who gave up a grand slam)

Hoffman: yah right. If hoffman blew this game there'd be even more outrage about it than there is now.

You can say the manager picked a bad option out of 3 bad options. But this was ultimately about the roster. If we had a bona fide closer....then there'd be nothing to debate.

We should all be pleased to force a game 6 after the disastrous 0-2 start.

It was still the worst decision. If they open the inning with Hoffman or Dominguez and they lose then there's nothing to complain about, these are your guys. You can't lose in a big spot sending your worst to the mound, that's just dumb.

[linery88]

Hoffman,and Lauer have been pitching well lately.Simple question is why not Hoff again.Man alive this is garbage bull.Something stinks here.3x in the post season he boneheads a move lol.

[Hottie McShotty]

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[Randle McMurphy]

It was Hoffman and Ser. Unfortunately this is the only correct answer.

Hoffman has allowed the most HRs of any RP in baseball and hasn't commanded his fastball since somewhere around mid-July.. If he's your "best guy" that's a massive issue.

And Dominguez is a matchup guy with massive splits who can't be used in high leverage against LHBs. They did end up bringing him into the game in a great spot for him (Arozerana and Suarez) and he promptly choked as badly as he has all year.

Again, this all speaks to a weak bullpen. Hard to win a WS when your "best guys" comprise of a HR machine Hoffman and a guy who can only be used against RHBs.

Yup. Our bp is indeed a disaster and Schneider has his work cut out for him. However, you can’t lose game 5 of the CS with Brandon Little facing Seattle’s best hitters. Hoffman looked good last night.

This idea isn’t just mine. I have never seen a coach get ripped in the post game like this in any sport.

I have. This happens whenever a major league bullpen blows a big game in the playoffs.

Little shouldn't have been used there, but it's pretty damn clear that Schneider/this FO don't trust Hoffman in the biggest of spots based on his usage this postseason (and his non-usage tonight) and it's kind of hard to blame them for that given how his season has gone since August.

If Hoffman gives up a HR to Raleigh there instead (a huge possibility), you know damn well Schneider would be getting ripped for that just the same.

[linery88]

So there were basically 3 options:

Little: gives up the least homeruns but walks the most

Dominguez: bad against lefties facing 4 outta 5 of them. (And who gave up a grand slam)

Hoffman: yah right. If hoffman blew this game there'd be even more outrage about it than there is now.

You can say the manager picked a bad option out of 3 bad options. But this was ultimately about the roster. If we had a bona fide closer....then there'd be nothing to debate.

We should all be pleased to force a game 6 after the disastrous 0-2 start.

It was still the worst decision. If they open the inning with Hoffman or Dominguez and they lose then there's nothing to complain about, these are your guys. You can't lose in a big spot sending your worst to the mound, that's just dumb.

I guess Schneiders never heard of that idea,or he was Scherzered by Atkins again who wants mgr credit,and is jealous of Schneid for last night lol.

[Randle McMurphy]

So there were basically 3 options:

Little: gives up the least homeruns but walks the most

Dominguez: bad against lefties facing 4 outta 5 of them. (And who gave up a grand slam)

Hoffman: yah right. If hoffman blew this game there'd be even more outrage about it than there is now.

You can say the manager picked a bad option out of 3 bad options. But this was ultimately about the roster. If we had a bona fide closer....then there'd be nothing to debate.

We should all be pleased to force a game 6 after the disastrous 0-2 start.

I can only assume all the critics wanted Dominguez to start the 8th? He gave up a grand slam lol.

And that's exactly it, yes.

If Hoffman was who we signed him to be, he pitches that inning with no questions asked. He hasn't been that guy and it's hard to blame the manager or anyone else for not using him against Cal Raleigh in the biggest moment of the season.

They went with their reliever who allows the least HRs and it backfired disastrously. Pretty predictable honestly, but it comes back to having a bunch of flawed RPs on our team.

[C Court]

Even CNN’s fact checker can’t make sense of Schneider’s decisions.

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[JCP11]

Hoffman has allowed the most HRs of any RP in baseball and hasn't commanded his fastball since somewhere around mid-July.. If he's your "best guy" that's a massive issue.

And Dominguez is a matchup guy with massive splits who can't be used in high leverage against LHBs. They did end up bringing him into the game in a great spot for him (Arozerana and Suarez) and he promptly choked as badly as he has all year.

Again, this all speaks to a weak bullpen. Hard to win a WS when your "best guys" comprise of a HR machine Hoffman and a guy who can only be used against RHBs.

Yup. Our bp is indeed a disaster and Schneider has his work cut out for him. However, you can’t lose game 5 of the CS with Brandon Little facing Seattle’s best hitters. Hoffman looked good last night.

This idea isn’t just mine. I have never seen a coach get ripped in the post game like this in any sport.

I have. This happens whenever a major league bullpen blows a big game in the playoffs.

Little shouldn't have been used there, but it's pretty damn clear that Schneider/this FO don't trust Hoffman in the biggest of spots based on his usage this postseason (and his non-usage tonight) and it's kind of hard to blame them for that given how his season has gone since August.

If Hoffman gives up a HR to Raleigh there instead (a huge possibility), you know damn well Schneider would be getting ripped for that just the same.

If Hoffman gives a HR then tip your cap to the hitter but like i said it's still the right process and decison to make.

[mdenny]

Those rwo doubke plays really killed the Jays.

The Gimenez hotshot to first and the Clement dribbler. Neither of those were anyone's fault. IKF would've had to make a huge play to get back to second. The Clement thing is just the baseball gods. That's just the luck and variance of baseball.

I like our chances. We were producing more than the Mariners were until the 8th inning. The guy that scares me the most is Barzardo. I can see him shutting us down for 3 straight innings if the next game is close. We've touched up all their pitchers. Except Barzado....i think only Vladdy got to him (on an extremely good pitch).

[Randle McMurphy]

Yup. Our bp is indeed a disaster and Schneider has his work cut out for him. However, you can’t lose game 5 of the CS with Brandon Little facing Seattle’s best hitters. Hoffman looked good last night.

This idea isn’t just mine. I have never seen a coach get ripped in the post game like this in any sport.

I have. This happens whenever a major league bullpen blows a big game in the playoffs.

Little shouldn't have been used there, but it's pretty damn clear that Schneider/this FO don't trust Hoffman in the biggest of spots based on his usage this postseason (and his non-usage tonight) and it's kind of hard to blame them for that given how his season has gone since August.

If Hoffman gives up a HR to Raleigh there instead (a huge possibility), you know damn well Schneider would be getting ripped for that just the same.

If Hoffman gives a HR then tip your cap to the hitter but like i said it's still the right process and decison to make.

Is it? Hoffman has given up the most HRs of any reliever in baseball and that's the right process/decision to make? Are you sure?

This isn't as black and white as people are trying to make it.

[Natural11]

Doesn't even have the balls to own up to it as a lost gamble. Lol. I get that he doesn't want to **** on Little and rightfully so, but own your decisions. What a guy.

[rarefind]

Hoffman has allowed the most HRs of any RP in baseball and hasn't commanded his fastball since somewhere around mid-July.. If he's your "best guy" that's a massive issue.

And Dominguez is a matchup guy with massive splits who can't be used in high leverage against LHBs. They did end up bringing him into the game in a great spot for him (Arozerana and Suarez) and he promptly choked as badly as he has all year.

Again, this all speaks to a weak bullpen. Hard to win a WS when your "best guys" comprise of a HR machine Hoffman and a guy who can only be used against RHBs.

Yup. Our bp is indeed a disaster and Schneider has his work cut out for him. However, you can’t lose game 5 of the CS with Brandon Little facing Seattle’s best hitters. Hoffman looked good last night.

This idea isn’t just mine. I have never seen a coach get ripped in the post game like this in any sport.

I have. This happens whenever a major league bullpen blows a big game in the playoffs.

Little shouldn't have been used there, but it's pretty damn clear that Schneider/this FO don't trust Hoffman in the biggest of spots based on his usage this postseason (and his non-usage tonight) and it's kind of hard to blame them for that given how his season has gone since August.

If Hoffman gives up a HR to Raleigh there instead (a huge possibility), you know damn well Schneider would be getting ripped for that just the same.

No he wouldn’t.

[DavidSterned]

You guys fought hard! Geno was just too good!

[PushDaRock]

Fair enough. I was campaigning to get Duran from Minnesota for a reason. The bullpen is not a Championship Level Bullpen, if you do not trust your Closer to the point you are throwing Wild Man Little out there with a 1 Run Lead.

The fault definitely lies with Shatkins. But in the 8th Inning, between Hoffman and Little- you got to go with Hoffman based on how trash Little has been since end of August.

The cost would have been Yesavage, would you be ok with that?

Who said it would have been Trey? I read that Nimmala was the guy Minnesota asked for. I would have traded him to get one of the best Closers in the game who would have helped deliver a World Series to this organization. Duran still has two years left of control also making a fraction of what Hoffman does. A Championship I have not seen in 32 years, or probably will never see again.

They were asking for 2 top 100 prospects which they got in Tait and Abel. There's zero chance Nimmala alone would have got it done and they would have certainly asked for Yesavage.

[Michael Bradley]

If your options are Hoffman for 2 innings or Little against the top of the order, then you live or die with Hoffman in that spot, and I say that as someone who realizes Hoffman has not been good this season. He's at least shown flashes, and has an actual track record of elite performance. Little is a journeyman with 2 good months in the big leagues until hitters figured him out. You can certainly argue Schneider lacks good options in the pen, that's on Atkins, but using Little tonight was one of the worst decisions I think I've ever seen from a Jays manager in a playoff game (which is saying a lot considering Schneider has managed two previous playoff rounds prior to this season with memorable blunders).

Dave Roberts knows he has a **** pen so he's been using the starters more this post season. John Schneider thinks he's still managing in the regular season. It's night and day the level of urgency being shown.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Yeah, I've been so upset I almost forgot about another stinker by him.

sometimes you run into pitchers that you can't hit. as long as he's also defending we can be more lenient on his offensive output.

You're not gonna drop Daulton Varsho in the order because he's had like 4 bad games lol

The guy had a massive series literally 6 days ago and was on pace for a 50 HR season, you're gonna live and/or die with him in that spot

i think its warranted to drop him in the lineup but his best spot in the lineup has been 5/6 over the the entire season. outside of that he may be even more useless. i don't think there's anything wrong to put him like 8th or 9th esp for a 2 games, for example. he killed in the first series and this series has been a goose egg

[linery88]

With an upcoming day off the Little choice over Hoffman is brutal.Schneider must be taking drugs or something.Say no to the khakis.

[Randle McMurphy]

So there were basically 3 options:

Little: gives up the least homeruns but walks the most

Dominguez: bad against lefties facing 4 outta 5 of them. (And who gave up a grand slam)

Hoffman: yah right. If hoffman blew this game there'd be even more outrage about it than there is now.

You can say the manager picked a bad option out of 3 bad options. But this was ultimately about the roster. If we had a bona fide closer....then there'd be nothing to debate.

We should all be pleased to force a game 6 after the disastrous 0-2 start.

It was still the worst decision. If they open the inning with Hoffman or Dominguez and they lose then there's nothing to complain about, these are your guys. You can't lose in a big spot sending your worst to the mound, that's just dumb.

Little isn't their worst, though.

He has the highest K rate and lowest HR rate of anybody in their pen. They've been using him in huge spots all year. It's not like he's been some kind of disaster while Hoffman/Dominguez are guarantees.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Yup. Our bp is indeed a disaster and Schneider has his work cut out for him. However, you can’t lose game 5 of the CS with Brandon Little facing Seattle’s best hitters. Hoffman looked good last night.

This idea isn’t just mine. I have never seen a coach get ripped in the post game like this in any sport.

I have. This happens whenever a major league bullpen blows a big game in the playoffs.

Little shouldn't have been used there, but it's pretty damn clear that Schneider/this FO don't trust Hoffman in the biggest of spots based on his usage this postseason (and his non-usage tonight) and it's kind of hard to blame them for that given how his season has gone since August.

If Hoffman gives up a HR to Raleigh there instead (a huge possibility), you know damn well Schneider would be getting ripped for that just the same.

No he wouldn’t.

he wouldn't as much because Hoff is our closer and should be trusted. we already used Varland to bridge the starter to the rest of the relief corps