Brewers News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[coolhandluke121]

Well, for one you're saying it was a good trade because Williams had a bad year when that shouldn't factor in at all. His body of work prior to this year should be the only factor and prior to this year he was a top 3 reliever in the game. On top of that, Cortes was so bad we had to trade a promising prospect with him to get AAAA fodder in return.

So Williams having a bad year shouldn't factor in but Cortes having a bad year should? Okay. You have an awful lot of trouble having an honest debate sometimes, and it seems to be especially pronounced when you're frustrated with the team.

Ortiz was literally almost as valuable as Burnes last year. Are you still living in the 2010's where you think a one-year rental should fetch a haul of top prospects? Teams aren't that dumb anymore. They're much more careful about giving up good prospects for relievers too, especially when there's some warning signs of an implosion like with Devin and Hader.

And let's be honest, teams are probably much more cautious about trading with the Brewers given their long track record of winning far more than their fair share of trades, as they should be.

[trwi7]

Well, for one you're saying it was a good trade because Williams had a bad year when that shouldn't factor in at all. His body of work prior to this year should be the only factor and prior to this year he was a top 3 reliever in the game. On top of that, Cortes was so bad we had to trade a promising prospect with him to get AAAA fodder in return.

So Williams having a bad year shouldn't factor in but Cortes having a bad year should? Okay. You have an awful lot of trouble having an honest debate sometimes, and it seems to be especially pronounced when you're frustrated with the team.

Ortiz was literally almost as valuable as Burnes last year. Are you still living in the 2010's where you think a one-year rental should fetch a haul of top prospects? Teams aren't that dumb anymore. They're much more careful about giving up good prospects for relievers too, especially when there's some warning signs of an implosion like with Devin and Hader.

And let's be honest, teams are probably much more cautious about trading with the Brewers given their long track record of winning far more than their fair share of trades, as they should be.

Cortes having a bad year wouldn't have factored in at all if we hadn't used a prospect to get rid of him.

[coolhandluke121]

Corbin Burnes was worth 3.8 WAR for the Orioles and Joey Ortiz has been worth 4.6 WAR for the Brewers. That doesn't even count anything that Hall or Blake Burke gave or will give us and we have them all for multiple years. That trade was a home run!

Literally have no idea if you're serious or not because you're clearly in that go-to state of mind where you're just being argumentative to be argumentative.

Does anyone else know if this is sarcasm? Because it's a pretty valid argument if it's serious, but it would be so rare for him to acknowledge that anyone in the Brewers' front office knows baseball almost as well as he does.

[coolhandluke121]

Cortes having a bad year wouldn't have factored in at all if we hadn't used a prospect to get rid of him.

So you still get to use hindsight on Cortes, but not on Devin? You're just doubling down on a blatantly hypocritical stance.

[coolhandluke121]

Anyway, I was thinking about the payroll grievances and it occurred to me that one grace-saving move would be to keep Jansen. I'm not saying it's high-impact move or anything, but he's better than some starting catchers and it would be nice to have insurance in case Wild Bill gets hurt or Quero doesn't pan out.

I wouldn't do it if it means spending less money on other needs, but why would it have to mean that? They have so much cheap young talent up and down the roster that it's hard to say where they should spend money anyway. May as well keep one of the best backup catchers in the game.

[MVP2110]

Anyway, I was thinking about the payroll grievances and it occurred to me that one grace-saving move would be to keep Jansen. I'm not saying it's high-impact move or anything, but he's better than some starting catchers and it would be nice to have insurance in case Wild Bill gets hurt or Quero doesn't pan out.

I wouldn't do it if it means spending less money on other needs, but why would it have to mean that? They have so much cheap young talent up and down the roster that it's hard to say where they should spend money anyway. May as well keep one of the best backup catchers in the game.

I completely agree, I'd love to bring Jansen back

[trwi7]

No on Jensen and definitely not on his option.

[MickeyDavis]

Yeah I'm not paying $12 million for a backup catcher.

[MVP2110]

To be clear I wouldn't pick up the option. But if we could get Jansen back on a 1 year deal I think he'd be one of the better backup catchers in MLB

[Thunder Muscle]

Have to assume they try to extend Murphy this offseason? Believe he is going into final year of his deal. I assume he isn’t going to walk away yet.

Curious if Weeks waits it out or pursues other opportunities if gets chance.

[MickeyDavis]

Have to assume they try to extend Murphy this offseason? Believe he is going into final year of his deal. I assume he isn’t going to walk away yet.

Curious if Weeks waits it out or pursues other opportunities if gets chance.

My guess is there was an arrangement with Weeks that he would take over after 3 years. But I don't see Murphy walking away. At least I hope not. If Weeks leaves it's no loss.

ETA, Murphy turns 67 next month so you never know.

[Profound23]

I don't know how MLB trades work but anyways we can package Peralta with Yelich so that someone takes back Yelich's entire contract without us eating any of it?

[coolhandluke121]

I don't know how MLB trades work but anyways we can package Peralta with Yelich so that someone takes back Yelich's entire contract without us eating any of it?

That's basically what the Brewers did this season when they agreed to pay Jordan Montgomery in order to acquire Shelby Miller. There was no other meaningful cost to that trade. However, it would be a shame to degrade Freddy's trade value that way just to save Mark A money. More importantly, Yelich has a full no-trade clause, and I doubt that he waives it under any circumstances.s

ETA: I think the day will come when they just end up releasing Yelich to open up a roster spot. It won't be next year IMO, but it's usually downhill pretty fast at this point.

[trwi7]

Yeah Yelich is going to want the mutual option guaranteed or something if he waives and that lowers his trade value even more.

[coolhandluke121]

To be clear I wouldn't pick up the option. But if we could get Jansen back on a 1 year deal I think he'd be one of the better backup catchers in MLB

Exactly. They're saving so much money by having young, controllable players all over the roster that they should be able to splurge on something like that.

If they paid Suarez or Naylor, everyone would be like WTF, we have our darlings Durbin and Vaughn. If they signed Bichette, they would be like WTF, Pratt, Made, and Pena are on their way. But they complain about wanting to pay an excellent backup catcher what, $7m? What should they spend money on? I'm all in on this one. He could also be the DH against LHPs instead of friggin' Yelich still getting those starts. (#barfemoji)

ETA: Or DH Contreras against LHPs when he needs a break from catching.

[coolhandluke121]

Devil: "You can play like one of the greatest regular season teams of all-time for half the season if you agree to endure 6 weeks of mediocrity at the end of the season and finish with a 'disappointing' 97 wins, and I can guarantee a game 5 victory over the Cubs if you agree to suffer through one of the worst offensive performances ever displayed by a playoff team in the modern era in the NLCS."

LIterally every single Brewers fan who doesn't know how to operate a crack pipe: "HOLY **** WHERE DO I SIGN?!"

Good business partner this year. I say we keep his card.

[ReasonablySober]

To be clear I wouldn't pick up the option. But if we could get Jansen back on a 1 year deal I think he'd be one of the better backup catchers in MLB

Exactly. They're saving so much money by having young, controllable players all over the roster that they should be able to splurge on something like that.

If they paid Suarez or Naylor, everyone would be like WTF, we have our darlings Durbin and Vaughn. If they signed Bichette, they would be like WTF, Pratt, Made, and Pena are on their way. But they complain about wanting to pay an excellent backup catcher what, $7m? What should they spend money on? I'm all in on this one. He could also be the DH against LHPs instead of friggin' Yelich still getting those starts. (#barfemoji)

ETA: Or DH Contreras against LHPs when he needs a break from catching.

They have Jeferson Quero. He's going to do a lot of catching next year.

[Thunder Muscle]

Also under the radar is Contreras’ situation. His value is likely sky high with 2 more years of team control. With Quero on the cusp, do they field offers on William? Or do they kick around an extension if close on terms? Quero has had alot of injuries the past few seasons so no sure thing by any means.

[coolhandluke121]

They have Jeferson Quero. He's going to do a lot of catching next year.

Zero interest in relying solely on a rookie catcher with a surgically repaired throwing shoulder on a 97-win team that's still young and theoretically improving. If he earns the backup spot, Jansen can be traded. If not, I don't want a zero bat like Haase or Pina or Kratz. Backup catchers play a lot in the regular season and this team needs a bye again next year.

[coolhandluke121]

Also under the radar is Contreras’ situation. His value is likely sky high with 2 more years of team control. With Quero on the cusp, do they field offers on William? Or do they kick around an extension if close on terms? Quero has had alot of injuries the past few seasons so no sure thing by any means.

I wouldn't extend a catcher at market rate who will be 30 once the extension kicks in. Some of them stay good, but even the ones that do are very rarely worth what they make on their last big extension.