Update: It is time to trade Scottie Barnes before it's too late!

[MadFishX]

Scottie will shine if we can pair him with a true #1

[Ari_Emanuel]

Trading Scottie is crazy. He’s only 24 and is finally about to settle into his correct offensive role, which will still have him at 20ppg, but with above avg efficiency.

All offensive struggles to this point are all explainable. But he will gradually polish out his scoring on the margins over the next few years, and in the meantime, a defensive anchor with 20, 9.5, 6, and 3+ stocks on a playoff team is absolutely a max contract player. It’s objectively true.

[HiJiNX]

If he was able to do this every night, he would shut everyone up. Question is how often can he do it and whether he can do it at all against better teams?

He’s done this plenty of times against great teams and superstars. He usually shows up for those. It’s the other games where he’s inconsistent.

I don't know about that, I think a lot of it is still a skill limitation factor. When he doesn't have the physical advantage, it's difficult for him to get going out there.

He’s definitely had great games against superstars. Guys like KD, LeBron, Giannis, Jokic.

You’re right that it’s mostly physical advantages but he has physical advantages against most of the league.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Scottie will shine if we can pair him with a true #1

It's the Bosh problem. Where you've bought the cart, but nobody's selling horses.

[PushDaRock]

He’s done this plenty of times against great teams and superstars. He usually shows up for those. It’s the other games where he’s inconsistent.

I don't know about that, I think a lot of it is still a skill limitation factor. When he doesn't have the physical advantage, it's difficult for him to get going out there.

He’s definitely had great games against superstars. Guys like KD, LeBron, Giannis, Jokic.

You’re right that it’s mostly physical advantages but he has physical advantages against most of the league.

He's not a genetic freak like Giannis or Zion. He's above average for his position but not someone that can just overwhelm you with his physicality and athleticism every possession.

[tecumseh18]

Bargs 2 was on fire last night!

So ... 12 more games of this?

[LarSiN]

Bargs 2 was on fire last night!

So ... 12 more games of this?

Nah, that's why it was such a dumb comparison to begin with

[MoneyBall]

com on, the Scottie nay sayers can't be quiet now, keep the same energy

Look, it's real simple, all he has to do is go 31/6/4 with super high effeciency while being clutch down the stretch every single night and we'll be satisfied. Is that really too much to ask? /s

Come on man, people don't ask him to be an MVP candidate.

I would be happy with half the PPG you just posted if it meant an engage Scottie 100% of the time who actually looks like he gives a ****. That alone is a great player.

It is preseason, so who gives a ****, but even with last nights banger of a game he is still at 12ppg on 35% shooting this pre-season. 31/6/4 can be the highs, but the lows gotta be better than 1/11 shooting or whatever that was the other night.

I've got good news for you: he's actually better than those preseason averages. The most annoying part is you and everyone else know it. And yet we still get these "I get that preseason numbers don't matter, but look how bad his preseason numbers are" takes.

[anotherhomer]

Look, it's real simple, all he has to do is go 31/6/4 with super high effeciency while being clutch down the stretch every single night and we'll be satisfied. Is that really too much to ask? /s

Come on man, people don't ask him to be an MVP candidate.

I would be happy with half the PPG you just posted if it meant an engage Scottie 100% of the time who actually looks like he gives a ****. That alone is a great player.

It is preseason, so who gives a ****, but even with last nights banger of a game he is still at 12ppg on 35% shooting this pre-season. 31/6/4 can be the highs, but the lows gotta be better than 1/11 shooting or whatever that was the other night.

I've got good news for you: he's actually better than those preseason averages. The most annoying part is you and everyone else know it. And yet we still get these "I get that preseason numbers don't matter, but look how bad his preseason numbers are" takes.

welll, scoring 1, 7, and 10 points, averaging 6 points over 3 games was quite concerning to be honest

now, if was averaging 10-12 pts sure

[TGM]

Scottie is a heck of a player. He just isn’t your traditional alpha scorer allstar where 85-90% of all stars are. But he makes it up with his versatility and defense. If Bobby and Dario cannot identify the offensive imbalance then they should be fired. BI could be that alpha guy, but he is not top echelon type.

Raps still need a trade or two to make this team come together.

Jakob probably the guy you trade to upgrade and get a legit interior threat. IQ could also be the guy dealt in a package for someone like Trae Young.

[Mikistan]

Come on man, people don't ask him to be an MVP candidate.

I would be happy with half the PPG you just posted if it meant an engage Scottie 100% of the time who actually looks like he gives a ****. That alone is a great player.

It is preseason, so who gives a ****, but even with last nights banger of a game he is still at 12ppg on 35% shooting this pre-season. 31/6/4 can be the highs, but the lows gotta be better than 1/11 shooting or whatever that was the other night.

I've got good news for you: he's actually better than those preseason averages. The most annoying part is you and everyone else know it. And yet we still get these "I get that preseason numbers don't matter, but look how bad his preseason numbers are" takes.

welll, scoring 1, 7, and 10 points, averaging 6 points over 3 games was quite concerning to be honest

now, if was averaging 10-12 pts sure

Concerning only to people who can't see the forest from the trees

[CPT]

Trading Scottie is crazy. He’s only 24 and is finally about to settle into his correct offensive role, which will still have him at 20ppg, but with above avg efficiency.

All offensive struggles to this point are all explainable. But he will gradually polish out his scoring on the margins over the next few years, and in the meantime, a defensive anchor with 20, 9.5, 6, and 3+ stocks on a playoff team is absolutely a max contract player. It’s objectively true.

Yes, that is objectively true.

He’s not going to do that though. He’s probably not going to come particularly close either.

[YogurtProducer]

I've got good news for you: he's actually better than those preseason averages. The most annoying part is you and everyone else know it. And yet we still get these "I get that preseason numbers don't matter, but look how bad his preseason numbers are" takes.

welll, scoring 1, 7, and 10 points, averaging 6 points over 3 games was quite concerning to be honest

now, if was averaging 10-12 pts sure

Concerning only to people who can't see the forest from the trees

What exactly is being missed?

[YogurtProducer]

Look, it's real simple, all he has to do is go 31/6/4 with super high effeciency while being clutch down the stretch every single night and we'll be satisfied. Is that really too much to ask? /s

Come on man, people don't ask him to be an MVP candidate.

I would be happy with half the PPG you just posted if it meant an engage Scottie 100% of the time who actually looks like he gives a ****. That alone is a great player.

It is preseason, so who gives a ****, but even with last nights banger of a game he is still at 12ppg on 35% shooting this pre-season. 31/6/4 can be the highs, but the lows gotta be better than 1/11 shooting or whatever that was the other night.

I've got good news for you: he's actually better than those preseason averages. The most annoying part is you and everyone else know it. And yet we still get these "I get that preseason numbers don't matter, but look how bad his preseason numbers are" takes.

You brought up his good preseason game first my guy

The sad part is we played 6 preseason games and there is only 1 you can point to that was good for Barnes. It isn’t like he’s been an incredible player for years and these are blips. He has had so many stretches of his career where he looks disinterested and looks like **** for games at a time, then has 1 huge game to make people forget about it.

But this is who Scottie has been for his entire career. A completely inconsistent player who can give you 31/6/4 one nightand a 1/11 shooting performance the next. This isn’t new

[TimeForChange]

some days I come on here and after reading a few posts I hope toronto loses all of it's sports teams.

a lot of you don't deserve teams to root for.

between wanting to get rid of good players, to harassing players families because of a bad performance.

it's just sad.

[MoneyBall]

Come on man, people don't ask him to be an MVP candidate.

I would be happy with half the PPG you just posted if it meant an engage Scottie 100% of the time who actually looks like he gives a ****. That alone is a great player.

It is preseason, so who gives a ****, but even with last nights banger of a game he is still at 12ppg on 35% shooting this pre-season. 31/6/4 can be the highs, but the lows gotta be better than 1/11 shooting or whatever that was the other night.

I've got good news for you: he's actually better than those preseason averages. The most annoying part is you and everyone else know it. And yet we still get these "I get that preseason numbers don't matter, but look how bad his preseason numbers are" takes.

You brought up his good preseason game first my guy

The sad part is we played 6 preseason games and there is only 1 you can point to that was good for Barnes. It isn’t like he’s been an incredible player for years and these are blips. He has had so many stretches of his career where he looks disinterested and looks like **** for games at a time, then has 1 huge game to make people forget about it.

But this is who Scottie has been for his entire career. A completely inconsistent player who can give you 31/6/4 one nightand a 1/11 shooting performance the next. This isn’t new

Um, no. I did not bring up preseason stats with you, nor was it used as an argument for its validity. I responded to those who DO take those stats seriously (people like you, apparently).

You literally said, within the same sentence, preseason stats don't mean **** and also we should be concerned because of how bad Scottie's preseason stats are lol. I suggest you take your own advice and ignore it.

Scottie is our best player. This has been true for the third consecutive season. We know his floor, and it's quite good. Bad shooting performances tell me nothing about effort level. Inconsistent play from a young guy who's being tossed around on a team with an identity crisis: I'm shocked.

[KP730]

some days I come on here and after reading a few posts I hope toronto loses all of it's sports teams.

a lot of you don't deserve teams to root for.

between wanting to get rid of good players, to harassing players families because of a bad performance.

it's just sad.

it is insane.

saying trade Scottie Barnes over some preseason games lmao. ridiculous.

[MoneyBall]

some days I come on here and after reading a few posts I hope toronto loses all of it's sports teams.

a lot of you don't deserve teams to root for.

between wanting to get rid of good players, to harassing players families because of a bad performance.

it's just sad.

it is insane.

saying trade Scottie Barnes over some preseason games lmao. ridiculous.

He was labeled by some as "injury prone" and that it was a bad look for him had he sat out the last game with knee soreness.

Also just read a comment by ATLtimekeeper that Scottie is now faking his injuries to dodge accountability from his poor play.

Again, this is all happening during freaking preseason!

[bballsparkin]

Scottie will shine if we can pair him with a true #1

It's the Bosh problem. Where you've bought the cart, but nobody's selling horses.

An 11 time All-Star/ HOF problem? Sign me up!

[KP730]

some days I come on here and after reading a few posts I hope toronto loses all of it's sports teams.

a lot of you don't deserve teams to root for.

between wanting to get rid of good players, to harassing players families because of a bad performance.

it's just sad.

it is insane.

saying trade Scottie Barnes over some preseason games lmao. ridiculous.

He was labeled by some as "injury prone" and that it was a bad look for him had he sat out the last game with knee soreness.

Also just read a comment by ATLtimekeeper that Scottie is now faking his injuries to dodge accountability from his poor play.

Again, this is all happening during freaking preseason!

lol @ faking injuries. who comes up with this stuff??