Franchise Draft History Game Discussion Thread

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Which Gasol?

Oh yeah, neither one of them was drafted by the Grizzlies.

Forgot that

I wamted JJjr, conley lowry, amd battier most anyways.

Yeah, would be tough to use a first team spot on Marc anyway.

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Oh yeah, neither one of them was drafted by the Grizzlies.

Forgot that

I wamted JJjr, conley lowry, amd battier most anyways.

Yeah, would be tough to use a first team spot on Marc anyway.

With Butler/MJ I think it can be justified. There’s not that many First Teamers without MVP/FMVP who move the needle with those two already on the team.

Moot point of course.

Category 2 is slightly hard to make good use of. There’s only a small number of players who qualify who do that much to separate themselves from the people one category down. It’s why I went for the Pelicans.

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Forgot that

I wamted JJjr, conley lowry, amd battier most anyways.

Yeah, would be tough to use a first team spot on Marc anyway.

With Butler/MJ I think it can be justified. There’s not that many First Teamers without MVP/FMVP who move the needle with those two already on the team.

Moot point of course.

Category 2 is slightly hard to make good use of. There’s only a small number of players who qualify who do that much to separate themselves from the people one category down. It’s why I went for the Pelicans.

Same reason I took Ewing to be my #2 guy rather than waiting until the last round to try and fill that spot.

[Snakebites]

The Raptors are a great supporting franchise. TMAC is a great category 2 guy and the non-All Star set contains lots of valuable role players. Siakam is a solid category 3 guy to the right team.

My original vision was Raptors/Lakers.

Magic/EJ/TMAC Siakam. And those two franchises have a great set of role players to supplement that.

I overestimated how much the Raptors would be valued- I feared they might be taken.

To be honest though it worked out anyway. Another team I thought would be gone- the Wolves- fell anyway.

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The Raptors are a great supporting franchise. TMAC is a great category 2 guy and the non-All Star set contains lots of valuable role players. Siakam is a solid category 3 guy to the right team.

My original vision was Raptors/Lakers.

Magic/EJ/TMAC Siakam. And those two franchises have a great set of role players to supplement that.

I overestimated how much the Raptors would be valued- I feared they might be taken.

To be honest though it worked out anyway. Another team I thought would be gone- the Wolves- fell anyway.

I almost took the Raptors myself, but the vision would have been to use Siakam and OG, not T-Mac. Finding a non-star center to round out that lineup would have been tough.

[Snakebites]

The Raptors are a great supporting franchise. TMAC is a great category 2 guy and the non-All Star set contains lots of valuable role players. Siakam is a solid category 3 guy to the right team.

My original vision was Raptors/Lakers.

Magic/EJ/TMAC Siakam. And those two franchises have a great set of role players to supplement that.

I overestimated how much the Raptors would be valued- I feared they might be taken.

To be honest though it worked out anyway. Another team I thought would be gone- the Wolves- fell anyway.

I almost took the Raptors myself, but the vision would have been to use Siakam and OG, not T-Mac. Finding a non-star center to round out that lineup would have been tough.

My plan would have been to use Zubac.

19-20 OG off the bench.

Works with 01-02 TMAC.

I also would have liked it with Gasol and prime OG- that was my "original original" thought. But that might not have been a crowd pleaser- as you say Gasol in category 2 is a tough sell.

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Google Sheet updated and editable.

What are people's thoughts on the value of Ray Allen vs Anthony Edwards? The Wolves have me spoiled for choice with respect to category 3 guys. I personally find prime Ray Allen slightly underrated as an all-round scorer and player in general- that he has a bit of a "super role player" label for some due to his role on the Celtics and Heat.

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Google Sheet updated and editable.

What are people's thoughts on the value of Ray Allen vs Anthony Edwards? The Wolves have me spoiled for choice with respect to category 3 guys. I personally find prime Ray Allen slightly underrated as an all-round scorer and player in general- that he has a bit of a "super role player" label for some due to his role on the Celtics and Heat.

I'd find it hard to justify the additional expenditure for Ant on a team that already has CP3 and KG. Ray is an offensive beast in a vacuum and a perfect fit on that team. Ant definitely has the defensive edge, but if Ray is your worst defender you'll be fine.

[Jon_3232]

Sorry for the wait, the more I researched the more conflicted I became haha.

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Google Sheet updated and editable.

What are people's thoughts on the value of Ray Allen vs Anthony Edwards? The Wolves have me spoiled for choice with respect to category 3 guys.

In a vacuum, Ant is a better go-to scorer, whereas Ray is a superior supporting star thanks to his sharp shooting. I guess it depends on whether you think you have enough firepower without Ant. I mean, neither CP3 nor KG is a legit go-to scorer. The former lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. The latter is more of a finisher rather than a creator. Both amazing players obviously, just not legit alpha scorers.

Fit-wise, Ant may be too ball dominant to be sharing the backcourt with a floor general in CP3 (assuming you'll use CP3 over AD). Ray on the other hand is a perfect fit. KG and CP3 got his back on D which is his biggest weakness. Personally, I'd opt for Ray. At his peak, he led the Bucks to the ECF. I think he's an underrated creator probably because he's an even better off-ball shooter. Curious to see how you fill out your frontcourt.

Theoretically, you could select both Ant and Ray. Talent-wise, they are both exceptional category 3 players. The fit would be questionable though on both ends of the floor.

Was expecting the Wolves to get selected earlier in the draft. Great value pick in the mid 2nd round!

[Fadeaway_J]

Google Sheet updated and editable.

What are people's thoughts on the value of Ray Allen vs Anthony Edwards? The Wolves have me spoiled for choice with respect to category 3 guys.

In a vacuum, Ant is a better go-to scorer, whereas Ray is a superior supporting star thanks to his sharp shooting. I guess it depends on whether you think you have enough firepower without Ant. I mean, neither CP3 nor KG is a legit go-to scorer. The former lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. The latter is more of a finisher rather than a creator. Both amazing players obviously, just not legit alpha scorers.

Fit-wise, Ant may be too ball dominant to be sharing the backcourt with a floor general in CP3 (assuming you'll use CP3 over AD). Ray on the other hand is a perfect fit. KG and CP3 got his back on D which is his biggest weakness. Curious to see how you fill out your frontcourt.

Theoretically, you could select both Ant and Ray. Talent-wise, they are both exceptional category 3 players. The fit would be questionable though on both ends of the floor.

Was expecting the Wolves to get selected earlier in the draft. Great value pick in the mid 2nd round!

I think the value of a so-called "alpha scorer" is somewhat overblown, especially in these loaded fantasy games. CP3/KG/Ray is more than enough as an offensive foundation IMO.

[flaco]

Google Sheet updated and editable.

What are people's thoughts on the value of Ray Allen vs Anthony Edwards? The Wolves have me spoiled for choice with respect to category 3 guys.

In a vacuum, Ant is a better go-to scorer, whereas Ray is a superior supporting star thanks to his sharp shooting. I guess it depends on whether you think you have enough firepower without Ant. I mean, neither CP3 nor KG is a legit go-to scorer. The former lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. The latter is more of a finisher rather than a creator. Both amazing players obviously, just not legit alpha scorers.

Fit-wise, Ant may be too ball dominant to be sharing the backcourt with a floor general in CP3 (assuming you'll use CP3 over AD). Ray on the other hand is a perfect fit. KG and CP3 got his back on D which is his biggest weakness. Curious to see how you fill out your frontcourt.

Theoretically, you could select both Ant and Ray. Talent-wise, they are both exceptional category 3 players. The fit would be questionable though on both ends of the floor.

Was expecting the Wolves to get selected earlier in the draft. Great value pick in the mid 2nd round!

I think the value of a so-called "alpha scorer" is somewhat overblown, especially in these loaded fantasy games. CP3/KG/Ray is more than enough as an offensive foundation IMO.

If it weren't for the Celtics core, I'd be with you on the enlarged part. We've had 2 games in the past drafting cores instead of pairs or individual players. The Celtics won comfortably both of them. It's a bit different this time cause they don't have Horford, Zinger, Jrue and D-White, but they got Billups instead. Seems like they upgraded the PG position at the expense of depth. Given we can use up to 4 stars, I'd argue talent upgrade beats depth in this format. D-White is a significant loss though cause he counts for category 4. Curious to see what Dr P does with his 2nd pick. It's possible he'll blow us all out the water.

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In a vacuum, Ant is a better go-to scorer, whereas Ray is a superior supporting star thanks to his sharp shooting. I guess it depends on whether you think you have enough firepower without Ant. I mean, neither CP3 nor KG is a legit go-to scorer. The former lacks the size to consistently create his own shot in the clutch. The latter is more of a finisher rather than a creator. Both amazing players obviously, just not legit alpha scorers.

Fit-wise, Ant may be too ball dominant to be sharing the backcourt with a floor general in CP3 (assuming you'll use CP3 over AD). Ray on the other hand is a perfect fit. KG and CP3 got his back on D which is his biggest weakness. Curious to see how you fill out your frontcourt.

Theoretically, you could select both Ant and Ray. Talent-wise, they are both exceptional category 3 players. The fit would be questionable though on both ends of the floor.

Was expecting the Wolves to get selected earlier in the draft. Great value pick in the mid 2nd round!

I think the value of a so-called "alpha scorer" is somewhat overblown, especially in these loaded fantasy games. CP3/KG/Ray is more than enough as an offensive foundation IMO.

If it weren't for the Celtics core, I'd be with you on the enlarged part. We've had 2 games in the past drafting cores instead of pairs or individual players. The Celtics won comfortably both of them. It's a bit different this time cause they don't have Horford, Zinger, Jrue and D-White, but they got Billups instead. Seems like they upgraded the PG position at the expense of depth. Given we can use up to 4 stars, I'd argue talent upgrade beats depth in this format. D-White is a significant loss though cause he counts for category 4. Curious to see what Dr P does with his 2nd pick. It's possible he'll blow us all out the water.

He's off to a great start, but category 2 seems pretty depleted at this point.

[Dr Positivity]

He's off to a great start, but category 2 seems pretty depleted at this point.

I have Tatum

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He's off to a great start, but category 2 seems pretty depleted at this point.

I have Tatum

Yeah, I mistakenly assumed you were going with Bird.

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I now have a kind of dilemma where I can swap out my top 2 guys between two different pairings, and I'm honestly not sure which to go with. Guess we'll see how the rest goes.

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I now have a kind of dilemma where I can swap out my top 2 guys between two different pairings, and I'm honestly not sure which to go with. Guess we'll see how the rest goes.

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I like Curry/Klay/Dray/Dwight quite a bit.

It's totally possible you find something in round 3 that justifies swapping Curry out for Shaq, but it would have to be the right fit.

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I now have a kind of dilemma where I can swap out my top 2 guys between two different pairings, and I'm honestly not sure which to go with. Guess we'll see how the rest goes.

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I like Curry/Klay/Dray/Dwight quite a bit.

It's totally possible you find something in round 3 that justifies swapping Curry out for Shaq, but it would have to be the right fit.

I'm still up in the air. I doubt the 3rd round will change much, but it gives me time to toy with the decision a bit. Curry/Dwight vs. Penny/Shaq is a pretty fair fight I think. (Penny/Shaq costs a bit more but I don't appear to be hurting for fga at the moment.)

[Jon_3232]

This is tough to decide on what guys to go with Porter/Manu/Drexler/Duncan/Sabonis or I can go Manu/Petrovic/Drexler/Wemby/Duncan. I think I like the latter and depending on my final team maybe i go Simone other than Drexler, who the hell knows haha

[Snakebites]

This is tough to decide on what guys to go with Porter/Manu/Drexler/Duncan/Sabonis or I can go Manu/Petrovic/Drexler/Wemby/Duncan. I think I like the latter and depending on my final team maybe i go Simone other than Drexler, who the hell knows haha

Petrovic has made an All-NBA Team, so he cannot go in category 4. The second lineup you mention is impossible for this reason.