CMB or someone else?

[Appostis]

He's gonna be a better floor impact player than Flagg. He isn't grown into his body yet and his IQ is already amazing. The shot also looks good along with his first step. CMB will likely be better than Barnes.

Here we go again with the hype train. And then when he doesn’t live up to these expectations we get threads calling for him to get traded for a bag of chips.

I’m really high on CMB too, but yeah, that’s definitely calling your shot. He’s got the potential to be the best player in the draft, for sure... but still


Have to have alot go right.

[Rainman66]

Flagg is not by any means already a better defined player than Scottie barnes, that is crazy. Flagg has barely shown flashes of being a glorified Terrence Ross, he should start with this ceiling first.

[Thaddy]

He's gonna be a better floor impact player than Flagg. He isn't grown into his body yet and his IQ is already amazing. The shot also looks good along with his first step. CMB will likely be better than Barnes.

Here we go again with the hype train. And then when he doesn’t live up to these expectations we get threads calling for him to get traded for a bag of chips.

I’m really high on CMB too, but yeah, that’s definitely calling your shot. He’s got the potential to be the best player in the draft, for sure... but still


Have to have alot go right.

A lot doesn't need to go right. He's already cemented himself as a rotation piece.

Here's what he's already done well:

- Nearly recorded a triple double in the pre season
- Shown great passing ability, borderline elite for his position
- Good rotations on defense, bumping at the right time and place, overall good at disrupting opposing offensive sets
- Better 3pt shot than he showed at summer league
- Translation of core parts of his game to the NBA level
- Best first step among all of the forwards on our team
- Guarded elite players in his first few games without getting explicitly targeted

He looks to be a better trajectory than any rookie we've had since Barnes. There's also a clear path for him to be better than OG very soon, potentially even this year. He's going to be a BPM beast.

[Appostis]

Here we go again with the hype train. And then when he doesn’t live up to these expectations we get threads calling for him to get traded for a bag of chips.

I’m really high on CMB too, but yeah, that’s definitely calling your shot. He’s got the potential to be the best player in the draft, for sure... but still


Have to have alot go right.

A lot doesn't need to go right. He's already cemented himself as a rotation piece.

Here's what he's already done well:

- Nearly recorded a triple double in the pre season
- Shown great passing ability, borderline elite for his position
- Good rotations on defense, bumping at the right time and place, overall good at disrupting opposing offensive sets
- Better 3pt shot than he showed at summer league
- Translation of core parts of his game to the NBA level
- Best first step among all of the forwards on our team
- Guarded elite players in his first few games without getting explicitly targeted

He looks to be a better trajectory than any rookie we've had since Barnes. There's also a clear path for him to be better than OG very soon, potentially even this year. He's going to be a BPM beast.

To be better then Flagg..no you still need alot to go right.

I'm not even saying there's not a chance, but come on man.. alot of things got to fall into place for him to be better then a sure thing in Flagg.

[Supermann98]

I'll take the slings and arrows, would rather Joan Berringer then and would still take him now. He has Greek freak potential and did quite alright for himself in summer league and preseason while CMB has shown to be a little on the brittle side

[MoneyBall]

Only other player I’d consider at that spot is Carter Bryant.

He was my choice on draft night and I'd still go with him, but CMB looks solid.

[Son Goku 25]

Wish we got VJ still but I'm happy with this pick, considering where we landed and number of choices left.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think given his role on this team these kinds of threads won't really be kind to him. For rookies points and dunks get you on ESPN or shared on social media.

But out of all the non Cooper Flagg rookies I think he will impact winning the most. Regrets come later on after a few years of off-season training, where some players will inevitably jump ahead.

[TimeForChange]

I'll take the slings and arrows, would rather Joan Berringer then and would still take him now. He has Greek freak potential and did quite alright for himself in summer league and preseason while CMB has shown to be a little on the brittle side

at least you're being honest.

99% of this board did not want CMB but they act like we can't go back and find their posts

[bballsparkin]

Flagg is not by any means already a better defined player than Scottie barnes, that is crazy. Flagg has barely shown flashes of being a glorified Terrence Ross, he should start with this ceiling first.

You had me at the first sentence. Lost me with the second one.

[Nature]

Very pleased with CMB thus far. Will be interesting to see how he does in the first 20 games of the season.

That said, I don't think he's a franchise altering talent.

[Clutch0z24]

People will over rate CMB like Raps fans tend to do and say he will be the next star of the league when that is prolly not likely to happen...Just a good high impact role player in the likes of OG...

Edgecombe, Flagg, Bailey, Fears, Harper and likely someone picked after CMB in this draft will all be better in the future....But still a good safe pick for us....Just don't over hype him because the chances he becomes a star are pretty low unless his offensive game takes one hell of a leap.

Bailey and Fears are going to be high stat guys on bar teams. CMB is better on defense than anyone listed.

He's a higher pick than OG. He also is better on most parts of defense. Helping, making rotations, predicting passes, etc. Then on offense the biggest difference is ball movement and passing. OG was always trying to iso and then turned the ball over instead of making the extra pass.

CMB is going to be better than OG by the end of the season. The only things OG has on him is corner 3s and man defense. I see that getting better and CMB has a better first step too.

Being a higher pick means nothing....But for him to be a Star or anywhere close to it you need to do it on both ends of the court....His offensive game would have to take a significant leap for him to be a franchise changing talent here.....Imo on a good to great team in the NBA his role at his peak will be what you see OG doing with the Knicks....Thats how i see his peak...

If you think he will be a franchise player thats great but you might be disappointed at the end of the day.

VJ/Flagg/Bailey/Harper/Fears imo have the best chance to be that kind of a player out of this draft class but CMB at 9th pick will still be a really good pick as i don't see anyone picked behind him really being that much better than him....But we shall see

[MoneyBall]

CMB will likely surpass Lebron for most points in NBA history you guys.

If he doesn't we have to keep him accountable for his lack of development./s

[Thaddy]

People will over rate CMB like Raps fans tend to do and say he will be the next star of the league when that is prolly not likely to happen...Just a good high impact role player in the likes of OG...

Edgecombe, Flagg, Bailey, Fears, Harper and likely someone picked after CMB in this draft will all be better in the future....But still a good safe pick for us....Just don't over hype him because the chances he becomes a star are pretty low unless his offensive game takes one hell of a leap.

Bailey and Fears are going to be high stat guys on bar teams. CMB is better on defense than anyone listed.

He's a higher pick than OG. He also is better on most parts of defense. Helping, making rotations, predicting passes, etc. Then on offense the biggest difference is ball movement and passing. OG was always trying to iso and then turned the ball over instead of making the extra pass.

CMB is going to be better than OG by the end of the season. The only things OG has on him is corner 3s and man defense. I see that getting better and CMB has a better first step too.

Being a higher pick means nothing....But for him to be a Star or anywhere close to it you need to do it on both ends of the court....His offensive game would have to take a significant leap for him to be a franchise changing talent here.....Imo on a good to great team in the NBA his role at his peak will be what you see OG doing with the Knicks....Thats how i see his peak...

If you think he will be a franchise player thats great but you might be disappointed at the end of the day.

VJ/Flagg/Bailey/Harper/Fears imo have the best chance to be that kind of a player out of this draft class but CMB at 9th pick will still be a really good pick as i don't see anyone picked behind him really being that much better than him....But we shall see

VJ and Fears aren't that good. They are empty calorie players who are at best decent 3rd options.

Being a higher pick means you have a better foundation of fundamental skills. OG could never imagine having the vision that CMB does, same goes with team defense. I would argue OG was a bad team / help defender. In the NBA were switching is exceedingly common you need that more than man defense. It's been that way for like ten years now.

CMB will be a star in a similar degree that Barnes is. It wouldn't be due to scoring. It'll be due to floor impact. A defensive stopper who can find the best transition man for the best transition scoring opportunity. That's what we need and that's what we will have. In terms of shooting I'd say he's further along than OG at the same age.

[DreamTeam09]

I was the biggest Malauch fan on here and I'd still take CMB on a redraft & that's with me totally disregarding CMB pre-draft due to fit concerns. We are in desperate need of a big wing who can guard multiple positions. You don't want your 1B in Scottie doing that 24/7 for 82 games

[YogurtProducer]

A lot doesn't need to go right. He's already cemented himself as a rotation piece..

Bruh - CMB could have a good career and maybe not even be as good as Flagg might be this season.

To suggest CMB doesnt need a lot to go right to exceed Flagg is insanity.

[HumbleRen]

Bailey and Fears are going to be high stat guys on bar teams. CMB is better on defense than anyone listed.

He's a higher pick than OG. He also is better on most parts of defense. Helping, making rotations, predicting passes, etc. Then on offense the biggest difference is ball movement and passing. OG was always trying to iso and then turned the ball over instead of making the extra pass.

CMB is going to be better than OG by the end of the season. The only things OG has on him is corner 3s and man defense. I see that getting better and CMB has a better first step too.

Being a higher pick means nothing....But for him to be a Star or anywhere close to it you need to do it on both ends of the court....His offensive game would have to take a significant leap for him to be a franchise changing talent here.....Imo on a good to great team in the NBA his role at his peak will be what you see OG doing with the Knicks....Thats how i see his peak...

If you think he will be a franchise player thats great but you might be disappointed at the end of the day.

VJ/Flagg/Bailey/Harper/Fears imo have the best chance to be that kind of a player out of this draft class but CMB at 9th pick will still be a really good pick as i don't see anyone picked behind him really being that much better than him....But we shall see

VJ and Fears aren't that good. They are empty calorie players who are at best decent 3rd options.

Being a higher pick means you have a better foundation of fundamental skills. OG could never imagine having the vision that CMB does, same goes with team defense. I would argue OG was a bad team / help defender. In the NBA were switching is exceedingly common you need that more than man defense. It's been that way for like ten years now.

CMB will be a star in a similar degree that Barnes is. It wouldn't be due to scoring. It'll be due to floor impact. A defensive stopper who can find the best transition man for the best transition scoring opportunity. That's what we need and that's what we will have. In terms of shooting I'd say he's further along than OG at the same age.

So dismissive and they haven’t played a single nba game yet lol.

[Tacoma]

Flagg isn't better than Barnes right now. Barnes has ROTY and an all star appearance on him and Flagg hasn't even played a real game.

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He's a higher pick than OG. He also is better on most parts of defense. Helping, making rotations, predicting passes, etc. Then on offense the biggest difference is ball movement and passing. OG was always trying to iso and then turned the ball over instead of making the extra pass.

CMB is going to be better than OG by the end of the season. The only things OG has on him is corner 3s and man defense. I see that getting better and CMB has a better first step too.

Why just corner 3's? According to 3stepbasket.com, OG shoots >37% 3PTS @ above the break. I'd be shocked of CMB beats that by season's end.

Also, you say Barnes>Flagg because Barnes has ROTY and Flagg hasn't played a real game. But then you're projecting CMB>OG when OG has NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team and CMB hasn't played a real game? The only way your projection comes true is CMB will gets NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team this yr.

So, in order for CMB>OG by season's end is if CMB on offense averages at least five 3pt shots per game and makes them 37% of the time like OG and then on defense he makes NBA All-Defensive Second Team like OG. I'm positive on CMB but your optimistic view of him is off the charts!

[Thaddy]

A lot doesn't need to go right. He's already cemented himself as a rotation piece..

Bruh - CMB could have a good career and maybe not even be as good as Flagg might be this season.

To suggest CMB doesnt need a lot to go right to exceed Flagg is insanity.

Did you miss Flagg getting embarrassed by Gabe Vincent?

[Thaddy]

Flagg isn't better than Barnes right now. Barnes has ROTY and an all star appearance on him and Flagg hasn't even played a real game.

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He's a higher pick than OG. He also is better on most parts of defense. Helping, making rotations, predicting passes, etc. Then on offense the biggest difference is ball movement and passing. OG was always trying to iso and then turned the ball over instead of making the extra pass.

CMB is going to be better than OG by the end of the season. The only things OG has on him is corner 3s and man defense. I see that getting better and CMB has a better first step too.

Why just corner 3's? According to 3stepbasket.com, OG shoots >37% 3PTS @ above the break. I'd be shocked of CMB beats that by season's end.

Also, you say Barnes>Flagg because Barnes has ROTY and Flagg hasn't played a real game. But then you're projecting CMB>OG when OG has NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team and CMB hasn't played a real game? The only way your projection comes true is CMB will gets NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team this yr.

So, in order for CMB>OG by season's end is if CMB on offense averages at least five 3pt shots per game and makes them 37% of the time and then on defense he makes NBA All-Defensive Second Team like OG did. I'm positive on CMB but your optimistic view of him is off the charts!

What was OG shooting like at 20 years old? CMB is going to be a better defender than him at the same age. He will definitely be better than him in his prime.