Bears thread 13

[jnrjr79]

Please explain. Caleb held the ball. DJ did not expect to get it. But if DJ should expect anything, it is ball holding

“Held the ball” is not a valid point. The play had been going for three seconds and was not over. Caleb gave him a catchable ball just past the goal line. You think receivers can reasonably just take plays off and not look for the ball? That’s an interesting perspective.

Also, the most famous gripe about Caleb is he holds the ball too much, so acting like DJ could somehow be surprised the ball was not already out is a terrible take. Your QB is making off-schedule plays and extending with his legs routinely. You know this!

There is no excuse and it’s 100% on DJ. Trying to make this a Caleb problem is pathological.

That was a bad throw.

I mean, it wasn’t a perfect throw. It wasn’t on target. But it was within the catch radius and easily catchable. The idea that receivers are only supposed to catch great balls is, of course, b.s.

But whether the throw was good or bad is irrelevant if your receiver doesn’t bother to turn around and look.

[jnrjr79]

Please explain. Caleb held the ball. DJ did not expect to get it. But if DJ should expect anything, it is ball holding

“Held the ball” is not a valid point. The play had been going for three seconds and was not over. Caleb gave him a catchable ball just past the goal line. You think receivers can reasonably just take plays off and not look for the ball? That’s an interesting perspective.

Also, the most famous gripe about Caleb is he holds the ball too much, so acting like DJ could somehow be surprised the ball was not already out is a terrible take. Your QB is making off-schedule plays and extending with his legs routinely. You know this!

There is no excuse and it’s 100% on DJ. Trying to make this a Caleb problem is pathological.

That was a bad throw. Didn’t look catchable at all unless he was looking for it. He probably should have looked for it. Both receiver and quarterback blew it

No balls are catchable if you don’t look for them.

I agree with your point that the ball was not catchable because the receiver made no effort to catch it.

[patryk7754]

It was a foot from his head. He catches it easily.

It was high and behind. That’s an awkward catch. Easily is a big stretch

It would be a tough catch. Off target for sure. Perhaps if he’s expecting a throw and had his head turned he could have slowed down, IDK. It would be a great play

Obviously, if he turns his head he’d be able to adjust and have a great chance to make the catch but the cb covering him was in great position to defend him because it was thrown behind. And it was thrown behind because Williams thrown into double coverage. He threw it late (not an excuse for Moore not to turn his head sooner) should’ve thrown it over the top towards the back of the endzone, and overall it wasn’t a great decision because it was double coverage.

But who cares we won. Williams needs to catch up with the rest of the team if we want to compete with the best of the best and not just be second tier.

[jnrjr79]

It was high and behind. That’s an awkward catch. Easily is a big stretch

It would be a tough catch. Off target for sure. Perhaps if he’s expecting a throw and had his head turned he could have slowed down, IDK. It would be a great play

Obviously, if he turns his head he’d be able to adjust and have a great chance to make the catch but the cb covering him was in great position to defend him because it was thrown behind. And it was thrown behind because Williams thrown into double coverage. He threw it late (not an excuse for Moore not to turn his head sooner) should’ve thrown it over the top towards the back of the endzone, and overall it wasn’t a great decision because it was double coverage.

But who cares we won. Williams needs to catch up with the rest of the team if we want to compete with the best of the best and not just be second tier.

The CB was not looking, either, and hence he could not have made a play on the ball.

[patryk7754]

It would be a tough catch. Off target for sure. Perhaps if he’s expecting a throw and had his head turned he could have slowed down, IDK. It would be a great play

Obviously, if he turns his head he’d be able to adjust and have a great chance to make the catch but the cb covering him was in great position to defend him because it was thrown behind. And it was thrown behind because Williams thrown into double coverage. He threw it late (not an excuse for Moore not to turn his head sooner) should’ve thrown it over the top towards the back of the endzone, and overall it wasn’t a great decision because it was double coverage.

But who cares we won. Williams needs to catch up with the rest of the team if we want to compete with the best of the best and not just be second tier.

The CB was not looking, either, and hence he could not have made a play on the ball.

He probably would’ve reacted to Moore looking. Maybe Moore saved an int? If Moore turns his head so does the cb and the cb would’ve been in better position to catch it since it bounced off his helmet. Cb would’ve easily caught if he turned his head

[fleet]

Game over, this was a bad game from Caleb but I think the silver lining is Calebs bad games are now good enough that a strong D and ballin running game can carry him. Last year his bad games meant we lost to a terrible New England team.

This is a bad game by any standards. The defense and run game has to be pretty freaking good to overcome this level of quarterbacking.

It was a certainly bad game but anyone who has played this sport at a high level knows you dont apologize for 2 score wins.

I don’t knock the team win. It was actually a freaking great win because the quarterback was objectively bad and held everyone up, penalties notwithstanding

[HearshotKDS]

Absurd take.

It is a ridiculous take but that balls not catchable even if DJ is ready for it. Inside the 15 and you know its going to be man presnap, ball cant be behind the WR you have to lead him early or come off the route.

The ball was not just catchable, but it would have been an unremarkable catch. It was not perfectly on target, but it wasn’t even a ball you’d have to reach far for if you simply turned and stuck your hands out.

He has Koolaid in his pocket playing trail technique in a compressed field, he's reading the WRs face and if DJ turns to face the QB earlier this is probably a pick. Its a bad read and a bad throw. Dont take my word for it youll see JT O'Sullivan rip it apart in 3 days - this is a text book bad read and bad throw.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Caleb’s stat line was bad and he was not great, but it looks a lot different if DJ makes the easy TD catch, Odunze catches any 50/50 ball, the big Swift completion isn’t undone by a bogus penalty call, and Dalman doesn’t have 3 terrible snaps.

The offense has a lot to clean up (though the running game was great), but the people who are putting this all on Caleb just enjoy griping about Caleb, as best I can tell. He absolutely needs to be better, but the idea that everything is clicking other than him is just irrational.

It isn’t entirely a Caleb issue but it is primarily a Caleb issue. Yes, the operations are sloppy and Rome’s catch rate is taking years off my life, but this offense is hampered by Caleb’s inability to see quick reads unless they’re check downs, which makes an already suspect pass pro look that much worse.

[jnrjr79]

Obviously, if he turns his head he’d be able to adjust and have a great chance to make the catch but the cb covering him was in great position to defend him because it was thrown behind. And it was thrown behind because Williams thrown into double coverage. He threw it late (not an excuse for Moore not to turn his head sooner) should’ve thrown it over the top towards the back of the endzone, and overall it wasn’t a great decision because it was double coverage.

But who cares we won. Williams needs to catch up with the rest of the team if we want to compete with the best of the best and not just be second tier.

The CB was not looking, either, and hence he could not have made a play on the ball.

He probably would’ve reacted to Moore looking. Maybe Moore saved an int? If Moore turns his head so does the cb and the cb would’ve been in better position to catch it since it bounced off his helmet. Cb would’ve easily caught if he turned his head

if they’re both looking, they’re both in position to fight for it. Most likely outcome is probably just incomplete, but I agree there’s a chance it’s a pick. It’s definitely a ball thrown in traffic and not a smart throw.

[fleet]

“Held the ball” is not a valid point. The play had been going for three seconds and was not over. Caleb gave him a catchable ball just past the goal line. You think receivers can reasonably just take plays off and not look for the ball? That’s an interesting perspective.

Also, the most famous gripe about Caleb is he holds the ball too much, so acting like DJ could somehow be surprised the ball was not already out is a terrible take. Your QB is making off-schedule plays and extending with his legs routinely. You know this!

There is no excuse and it’s 100% on DJ. Trying to make this a Caleb problem is pathological.

That was a bad throw. Didn’t look catchable at all unless he was looking for it. He probably should have looked for it. Both receiver and quarterback blew it

No balls are catchable if you don’t look for them.

I agree with your point that the ball was not catchable because the receiver made no effort to catch it.

I don’t see it as an easy catch if he was looking for it. He would have had to create the catch all by himself. He’s good enough, but some people were triggered by the use of the word “easily”

[patryk7754]

5is incomplete pass is being focused on way too much. We won four in a row. Williams has a lot to improve but he needs his teammates not have multiple snap infractions and catch balls that hit them in their hands. He play better in the second half but still nothing above average (or even average). Four games in a row and the last 2/3 were games we would’ve lost during the last 4 year years. It was a good win. If the packers and lions lose, it’ll be a great win

[jnrjr79]

Caleb’s stat line was bad and he was not great, but it looks a lot different if DJ makes the easy TD catch, Odunze catches any 50/50 ball, the big Swift completion isn’t undone by a bogus penalty call, and Dalman doesn’t have 3 terrible snaps.

The offense has a lot to clean up (though the running game was great), but the people who are putting this all on Caleb just enjoy griping about Caleb, as best I can tell. He absolutely needs to be better, but the idea that everything is clicking other than him is just irrational.

It isn’t entirely a Caleb issue but it is primarily a Caleb issue. Yes, the operations are sloppy and Rome’s catch rate is taking years off my life, but this offense is hampered by Caleb’s inability to see quick reads unless they’re check downs, which makes an already suspect pass pro look that much worse.

Agreed. My point here is not that Caleb had a good game. He didn’t. But there were also a lot of mistakes made by other offensive players that exacerbated things and made the final stat line a lot worse than it needed to be.

The other thing is that he wasn’t going to rack up a ton of yards even if he was playing well, just because the running game was so productive.

Anyway, very much agreed it was overall a bad Caleb game.

[HearshotKDS]

5is incomplete pass is being focused on way too much. We won four in a row. Williams has a lot to improve but he needs his teammates not have multiple snap infractions and catch balls that hit them in their hands. He play better in the second half but still nothing above average (or even average). Four games in a row and the last 2/3 were games we would’ve lost during the last 4 year years. It was a good win. If the packers and lions lose, it’ll be a great win

I think another positive takeaway from this game is that even when hes having a bad game, Caleb still isnt turning the ball over at crazy rate. If Rattler only turned the ball over once NO wins this game twentysomething to 13.

[fleet]

Caleb’s stat line was bad and he was not great, but it looks a lot different if DJ makes the easy TD catch, Odunze catches any 50/50 ball, the big Swift completion isn’t undone by a bogus penalty call, and Dalman doesn’t have 3 terrible snaps.

The offense has a lot to clean up (though the running game was great), but the people who are putting this all on Caleb just enjoy griping about Caleb, as best I can tell. He absolutely needs to be better, but the idea that everything is clicking other than him is just irrational.

It isn’t entirely a Caleb issue but it is primarily a Caleb issue. Yes, the operations are sloppy and Rome’s catch rate is taking years off my life, but this offense is hampered by Caleb’s inability to see quick reads unless they’re check downs, which makes an already suspect pass pro look that much worse.

I don’t know what it is, if it’s perception Vs reality. We could use some stats, but for a “contested catch guy”, he sometimes doesn’t come down with contested balls. Not enough to enhance the reputation necessarily.

[patryk7754]

Josh jacobs playing after being a game time decision. He has a calf strain and is basically the main component to the offense’s success (or at least by far the most consistent).

[Stratmaster]

Caleb’s stat line was bad and he was not great, but it looks a lot different if DJ makes the easy TD catch, Odunze catches any 50/50 ball, the big Swift completion isn’t undone by a bogus penalty call, and Dalman doesn’t have 3 terrible snaps.

The offense has a lot to clean up (though the running game was great), but the people who are putting this all on Caleb just enjoy griping about Caleb, as best I can tell. He absolutely needs to be better, but the idea that everything is clicking other than him is just irrational.

I'm not seeing anyone put it all on Caleb. The passing game sucks, period. As qb he had to take responsibility for that. He is holding the ball way too long. When he tries to make quick reads he usually makes the wrong one and throws into double coverage.

The OL has also been weak on pass plays. But they execute very well on run plays. Is it their fault or Caleb's? The likely and logical answer is both.

I don't see Moore making that catch if he is looking for it. It was well covered, the pass was behind him, and the double coverage was there besides.

Seems like you might be the one trying to absolve Caleb more than anyone trying to blame it all on him.

[patryk7754]

5is incomplete pass is being focused on way too much. We won four in a row. Williams has a lot to improve but he needs his teammates not have multiple snap infractions and catch balls that hit them in their hands. He play better in the second half but still nothing above average (or even average). Four games in a row and the last 2/3 were games we would’ve lost during the last 4 year years. It was a good win. If the packers and lions lose, it’ll be a great win

I think another positive takeaway from this game is that even when hes having a bad game, Caleb still isnt turning the ball over at crazy rate. If Rattler only turned the ball over once NO wins this game twentysomething to 13.

And like I mentioned earlier, I’m not too mad at the pick Williams threw. Very rare for him to attempt to make a throw like that and it frustrates the hell out of me. If he throws it a bit earlier or with a bit more zip on it, it probably would’ve been a completion.

[patryk7754]

31-6 lose for the dolphins against the browns. Everyday McDaniels isn’t fired it’s a surprise to me. I imagine the fire sale starts soon and I will say it as many times as possible: we need to trade for Phillips. Maybe we can do a Braxton for Phillips trade. But it might be worth keeping jones as a backup over keeping a mid to late round pick.

Calls to the jets needs to be happening as well

[HearshotKDS]

31-6 lose for the dolphins against the browns. Everyday McDaniels isn’t fired it’s a surprise to me. I imagine the fire sale starts soon and I will say it as many times as possible: we need to trade for Phillips. Maybe we can do a Braxton for Phillips trade. But it might be worth keeping jones as a backup over keeping a mid to late round pick.

Calls to the jets needs to be happening as well

When they fire McDaniels some team is going to pick up an awesome OC, which might be the best for Mike. Feel like Fangio had to learn this same lesson the hard way as well.

[TheGOATRises007]

Good win

Sloppy game from Caleb

Still have faith, but he has to do better. Just not a good game from him. The passing game has to improve all around.