Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

[Juco24]

Cam Payne and Precious are available if we want them back.

I'd take Precious id forced but Payne.... NOPE

[GettinitDone]

Achiuwa must be the best guy out there…

Dinwiddie, Jared Butler??

[aq_ua]

Clarkson will be our new JR Smith. Some nights you'll hate him and some nights he'll ball out. I'm mentally prepared for the ups and downs.

I liken him more to an older Jamal Crawford on the Clippers. Still some head scratchers, but more good than bad as he matures. Sometimes, we need a guy that’s willing to take (and sometimes make) some very ugly shots.

[ctorres]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

We were a .600 team without Brunson towards the end of the season

If we got Mikal, OG, KAT, and Josh, we good!

[KnixinSix]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

We were a .600 team without Brunson towards the end of the season

If we got Mikal, OG, KAT, and Josh, we good!

This team is plenty deep. They can sustain without Brunson. Maybe not win the ship but they can do pretty well.

[RHODEY]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

Happened last season and we toasted...now we have more depth...we gucci

[8516knicks]

Anyone else a little surprised Alex len (1st round #5 pick) had nothing left to vault him over Hukporti and the others? I mean his stats aren't great over the years but he played a long time and far as I know wan not injured. And his size could have been helpful? But maybe he sucked in the pre-season games which i did not see?

[G_K_F]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

You’re telling me if the best player on a team gets injured the team will struggle?

That’s crazy, man!

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

There is definitely value in having a little more flexibility under the second apron but until another move is made it just seems like the difference between signing some random guy from the buyout market/G-League in the middle of March versus the end of March. We were debating the crucial additions of TJ Warren, Okeke or Moses Brown last March

Last year they did all that maneuvering which allowed them to fill the 15th roster spot around March 1st I believe and they still waited until March 10th just to offer PJ Tucker a 10 day. In the end it looks like they essentially just took some money out of someone like Hukporti's pocket, put some of it in Tucker's pocket, gave some back to Dolan and maybe greased a few palms in between. I hope all the maneuvering this year will be a little more fruitful for us as fans.

They also had a team option on the Tucker deal to create a trade chip for the following summer. They should also be able to pick up a few more bucks by keeping the rookie off a standard deal the first 2 weeks of the season.

They are about 148,000 under the 2nd apron with Shamet and Diawara on their full season deals. By the math here, saving 14 days on Shamet/Diawara would give us about 31 days of a vet minimum contract to round out the season. Season ends April 12 so we would be able to bring in a buyout guy on March 11. Trade deadline is Feb 5 so if a real player became available we would need him to wait 2-4 weeks between agreeing to a buyout (as most happen after the trade deadline) and signing with us.

Yeah, I mentioned guys like Jeffries and Tucker being given those "2 year deals" in one of my earlier posts. I don't know the CBA rules around those types of deals or if there is a deadline for them to be given but Tucker signed his 2 year deal on April 1st, one month after the Knicks had enough room to fill the last spot. It didn't seem like they were in any rush to commit money to that 15th roster spot. Maybe April 1st was the deadline and they simply need to clear enough space to fit another "2 year deal" at that date once again this year. Where are my CBA experts?

I'm not expecting the Knicks to be able to add a difference maker from the limited pool of talent in the buyout market especially since CBA prevents teams over the 1st apron from signing players that are making the nontaxpayer MLE ($14M~) or more at the time of the buyout. I can't imagine any good player on a cheaper contract not either being traded for value or kept.

There are different factors in play, imo.

From the point of view of maximum flexibility for the Knicks going into the run up to the playoffs, penny-pinching right now, eg, by only signing Shamet two weeks into the season, is completely the obvious thing to do.

The fact that the Knicks signed Tucker last year says more to me about the Thibs-Leon-Wes axis not being particularly great at making decisions than whether Brock Aller can calculate well. I didn't see the point at the time and still don't now. Ok, if you are Miami and have Haslem as either the representative on earth of Riley or Spo and the other is Ok with that, then given the time he was on the team, it's probably not terrible. For the NYK I think anyone's reaction would be "whotf is this guy and why is he being a locker room presence". Anyway, the point is that that flexibity is one desireable.

For what it is worth, there are no real constraints on the dates for those contracts. I don't think the NBA was probably overjoyed at, eg, the Jeffries deal, but it was legal within the terms of the current (2023) CBA. Any day up to the last day of the regular season is fine. (I'm pretty sure.)

On the other hand, delaying deals does cost the players money, so perhaps the Knicks wanted to reassure Shamet/Mo that they really did want them. And paying them now still allows them to sign someone with a few days left of the season (given Mo is a second-round rookie deal). I'm not sure if the Knicks's treatment of TJ Warren factors into that as well. (Someone who interestingly seems to be completely unsigned and not playing overseas.)

[R-DAWG]

They also had a team option on the Tucker deal to create a trade chip for the following summer. They should also be able to pick up a few more bucks by keeping the rookie off a standard deal the first 2 weeks of the season.

They are about 148,000 under the 2nd apron with Shamet and Diawara on their full season deals. By the math here, saving 14 days on Shamet/Diawara would give us about 31 days of a vet minimum contract to round out the season. Season ends April 12 so we would be able to bring in a buyout guy on March 11. Trade deadline is Feb 5 so if a real player became available we would need him to wait 2-4 weeks between agreeing to a buyout (as most happen after the trade deadline) and signing with us.

Yeah, I mentioned guys like Jeffries and Tucker being given those "2 year deals" in one of my earlier posts. I don't know the CBA rules around those types of deals or if there is a deadline for them to be given but Tucker signed his 2 year deal on April 1st, one month after the Knicks had enough room to fill the last spot. It didn't seem like they were in any rush to commit money to that 15th roster spot. Maybe April 1st was the deadline and they simply need to clear enough space to fit another "2 year deal" at that date once again this year. Where are my CBA experts?

I'm not expecting the Knicks to be able to add a difference maker from the limited pool of talent in the buyout market especially since CBA prevents teams over the 1st apron from signing players that are making the nontaxpayer MLE ($14M~) or more at the time of the buyout. I can't imagine any good player on a cheaper contract not either being traded for value or kept.

There are different factors in play, imo.

From the point of view of maximum flexibility for the Knicks going into the run up to the playoffs, penny-pinching right now, eg, by only signing Shamet two weeks into the season, is completely the obvious thing to do.

The fact that the Knicks signed Tucker last year says more to me about the Thibs-Leon-Wes axis not being particularly great at making decisions than whether Brock Aller can calculate well. I didn't see the point at the time and still don't now. Ok, if you are Miami and have Haslem as either the representative on earth of Riley or Spo and the other is Ok with that, then given the time he was on the team, it's probably not terrible. For the NYK I think anyone's reaction would be "whotf is this guy and why is he being a locker room presence". Anyway, the point is that that flexibity is one desireable.

For what it is worth, there are no real constraints on the dates for those contracts. I don't think the NBA was probably overjoyed at, eg, the Jeffries deal, but it was legal within the terms of the current (2023) CBA. Any day up to the last day of the regular season is fine. (I'm pretty sure.)

On the other hand, delaying deals does cost the players money, so perhaps the Knicks wanted to reassure Shamet/Mo that they really did want them. And paying them now still allows them to sign someone with a few days left of the season (given Mo is a second-round rookie deal). I'm not sure if the Knicks's treatment of TJ Warren factors into that as well. (Someone who interestingly seems to be completely unsigned and not playing overseas.)

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Knicks can create some space in the middle of the season if needed by moving Dadiet or Kolek. Obviously, you hope they get a chance to play some spot minutes and contribute, but if they don’t, they can be moved into someone else’s cap space with cash. Same can be said for Jordan Clarkson, Shmet and Hukporti.

[spree8]

Yeah, I mentioned guys like Jeffries and Tucker being given those "2 year deals" in one of my earlier posts. I don't know the CBA rules around those types of deals or if there is a deadline for them to be given but Tucker signed his 2 year deal on April 1st, one month after the Knicks had enough room to fill the last spot. It didn't seem like they were in any rush to commit money to that 15th roster spot. Maybe April 1st was the deadline and they simply need to clear enough space to fit another "2 year deal" at that date once again this year. Where are my CBA experts?

I'm not expecting the Knicks to be able to add a difference maker from the limited pool of talent in the buyout market especially since CBA prevents teams over the 1st apron from signing players that are making the nontaxpayer MLE ($14M~) or more at the time of the buyout. I can't imagine any good player on a cheaper contract not either being traded for value or kept.

There are different factors in play, imo.

From the point of view of maximum flexibility for the Knicks going into the run up to the playoffs, penny-pinching right now, eg, by only signing Shamet two weeks into the season, is completely the obvious thing to do.

The fact that the Knicks signed Tucker last year says more to me about the Thibs-Leon-Wes axis not being particularly great at making decisions than whether Brock Aller can calculate well. I didn't see the point at the time and still don't now. Ok, if you are Miami and have Haslem as either the representative on earth of Riley or Spo and the other is Ok with that, then given the time he was on the team, it's probably not terrible. For the NYK I think anyone's reaction would be "whotf is this guy and why is he being a locker room presence". Anyway, the point is that that flexibity is one desireable.

For what it is worth, there are no real constraints on the dates for those contracts. I don't think the NBA was probably overjoyed at, eg, the Jeffries deal, but it was legal within the terms of the current (2023) CBA. Any day up to the last day of the regular season is fine. (I'm pretty sure.)

On the other hand, delaying deals does cost the players money, so perhaps the Knicks wanted to reassure Shamet/Mo that they really did want them. And paying them now still allows them to sign someone with a few days left of the season (given Mo is a second-round rookie deal). I'm not sure if the Knicks's treatment of TJ Warren factors into that as well. (Someone who interestingly seems to be completely unsigned and not playing overseas.)

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Knicks can create some space in the middle of the season if needed by moving Dadiet or Kolek. Obviously, you hope they get a chance to play some spot minutes and contribute, but if they don’t, they can be moved into someone else’s cap space with cash. Same can be said for Jordan Clarkson, Shmet and Hukporti.

Dadiet definitely going to be moved by the deadline, they’ve been shopping him and he’s taking up too much space while being as close to useless as it gets.

[Meat]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

what a unique take? the best player on a team goes down and the team win's less? intresting, so you're saying injury luck matters? we should tell the Knicks analytics team this

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[thebuzzardman]

There are different factors in play, imo.

From the point of view of maximum flexibility for the Knicks going into the run up to the playoffs, penny-pinching right now, eg, by only signing Shamet two weeks into the season, is completely the obvious thing to do.

The fact that the Knicks signed Tucker last year says more to me about the Thibs-Leon-Wes axis not being particularly great at making decisions than whether Brock Aller can calculate well. I didn't see the point at the time and still don't now. Ok, if you are Miami and have Haslem as either the representative on earth of Riley or Spo and the other is Ok with that, then given the time he was on the team, it's probably not terrible. For the NYK I think anyone's reaction would be "whotf is this guy and why is he being a locker room presence". Anyway, the point is that that flexibity is one desireable.

For what it is worth, there are no real constraints on the dates for those contracts. I don't think the NBA was probably overjoyed at, eg, the Jeffries deal, but it was legal within the terms of the current (2023) CBA. Any day up to the last day of the regular season is fine. (I'm pretty sure.)

On the other hand, delaying deals does cost the players money, so perhaps the Knicks wanted to reassure Shamet/Mo that they really did want them. And paying them now still allows them to sign someone with a few days left of the season (given Mo is a second-round rookie deal). I'm not sure if the Knicks's treatment of TJ Warren factors into that as well. (Someone who interestingly seems to be completely unsigned and not playing overseas.)

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Knicks can create some space in the middle of the season if needed by moving Dadiet or Kolek. Obviously, you hope they get a chance to play some spot minutes and contribute, but if they don’t, they can be moved into someone else’s cap space with cash. Same can be said for Jordan Clarkson, Shmet and Hukporti.

Dadiet definitely going to be moved by the deadline, they’ve been shopping him and he’s taking up too much space while being as close to useless as it gets.

Dadiet also forced his way onto the team when the Knicks wanted to euro stash him.
That probably has accelerated his clock off the team

[dukeknicksirish]

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Knicks can create some space in the middle of the season if needed by moving Dadiet or Kolek. Obviously, you hope they get a chance to play some spot minutes and contribute, but if they don’t, they can be moved into someone else’s cap space with cash. Same can be said for Jordan Clarkson, Shmet and Hukporti.

Dadiet definitely going to be moved by the deadline, they’ve been shopping him and he’s taking up too much space while being as close to useless as it gets.

Dadiet also forced his way onto the team when the Knicks wanted to euro stash him.
That probably has accelerated his clock off the team

Extremely cynical of the Knicks to think they could draft someone in the first round, stash him, preserve his rights forever, preventing him from playing for another NBA team, and never pay him. I'm team Dadiet here 100% of the time. HW may not understand the CBA, but I do give some credence to his view of Leon.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Brunson goes down for any extended period of time and this team is toast.

what a unique take? the best player on a team goes down and the team win's less? intresting, so you're saying injury luck matters? we should tell the Knicks analytics team this

I'm saying the Knicks are weak at backup pg.

[Richard4444]

Dadiet definitely going to be moved by the deadline, they’ve been shopping him and he’s taking up too much space while being as close to useless as it gets.

Dadiet also forced his way onto the team when the Knicks wanted to euro stash him.
That probably has accelerated his clock off the team

Extremely cynical of the Knicks to think they could draft someone in the first round, stash him, preserve his rights forever, preventing him from playing for another NBA team, and never pay him. I'm team Dadiet here 100% of the time. HW may not understand the CBA, but I do give some credence to his view of Leon.

I wonder if there wasn't a previous understanding between the Knicks FO and the Dadiet agent to stash him before the pick. Otherwise, the Knicks should anticipate Dadiet would dislike this treatment.