ALCS Update: Blue Jays Beat Mariners In Game 7 And Advance To The World Series!

[DelAbbot]

They should drill cal in the knee today

I'm hoping* for a comebacker when Woo is in relief.

*Of course I'm not really hoping, that would be bad. But It would make me laugh.

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

It's not set in stone yet. Bonds had 259 wRC+ (.356/.581/.978) in 2002 playoffs, including WS

[Top10alltime]

Here we go boys and girls! Game 7!!!

Let's go to the World Series!

I'm a casual but let's GOOOOOOOO

[Top10alltime]

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

[JCP11]

Im expecting a huge game from Guerrero, man he really looked awful the last 2-3 weeks when Bo went down. But from the first at bat against NY hes been as locked in as ive ever seen him. Incredible playoffs from him man.

It is possible he came back too early from his hamstring injury because before the injury he was mashing. That one week break before the playoffs got him the rest he needed.

[Top10alltime]

Man I want to see Vladdy vs. Othani match up! Two hottest hitters in the game right now.

As a Toronto fan, Ohtani clears him. Toronto may win Game 7 and force Seattle with another world series less year, but either team is losing to LA in 4/5. The reason is how the hell can you tell me that LA dominates the offs, swept the Brewers and aren't winning?

Vladi is a distant second though. We have the best defense in the league, so who knows? This team could be that good. With a strong, top 5 offense in the league, and a young pitcher like Yesavage, this team could win it all

[LLJ]

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

[Top10alltime]

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

[LoveMyRaps]

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

Not sure I'm understanding your question correctly but...

Ohtani is the greatest player of all-time.

Vladdy is on pace to having the greatest post-season performance of all-time.

[DelAbbot]

Man I want to see Vladdy vs. Othani match up! Two hottest hitters in the game right now.

As a Toronto fan, Ohtani clears him. Toronto may win Game 7 and force Seattle with another world series less year, but either team is losing to LA in 4/5. The reason is how the hell can you tell me that LA dominates the offs, swept the Brewers and aren't winning?

Vladi is a distant second though. We have the best defense in the league, so who knows? This team could be that good. With a strong, top 5 offense in the league, and a young pitcher like Yesavage, this team could win it all

you're no casual and take your rational non-uber-homer takes elsewhere

[LLJ]

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

I suspect there is a reading comprehension gap here.

We're not talking about who's the better overall player. We know Vladdy is not better than Shohei Ohtani or Aaron Judge in terms of overall career or player. But he is having a better postseason than them, that's just a statistical fact that's been posted numerous times in here.

This conversation is about postseason runs and you've seen all the stats posted. It's undeniable that Vladdy is having one of the best postseason runs ever and we are simply celebrating his current hot streak. We are not, I repeat, NOT saying he's suddenly a better player than Ohtani or Judge. Capiche?

[WaltFrazier]

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

He was born ready

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I feel good about the pitching matchup. This is why Bieber was acquired, for this type moment

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[JaysRule15]

Win or lose I've already prepared for heartbreak but this has been an amazing season and I'm grateful for this team and all the great moments and excitement they gave us all year regardless of what happens tomorrow. I love this team.

Remember when AA left and everyone was acting like we let some generational genius get away and would never win again. This team has gotten farther than any AA-led team already. Best season in 30+ years and we've done it not with a team stacked full of talent, but a solid core and team ball strategy. Easily the one most fun season I've had in a long while.

Jays have done this with 270M payroll and by being one of the worst teams at developing talent mainly acquiring from FA. Remember when Rogers had 'payroll parameters' under AA and wouldn't let him spend while they were contending or he had to withhold spending in the offseason because Rogers wouldn't open up their wallets during the season?

They have done away with that and really spent on the team to cover up prospect development. Jays got to this point (ALCS) in 2015 and 2016. And AA already won the WS and has been in the playoffs every single year except this one. Really bad take on this one.

AA left this team with legit no pieces aside from Vlad. He went all in for the 2015 run and emptied the cupboard. We should definitely be giving credit to this front office for having a fairly decent decade in terms of regular season performance and even making the playoffs a few times.

Also, AA won the World Series with a Braves core that he inherited from a front office that was banned from baseball due to signing rules circumvention. Not to mention that the year the Braves won the World Series? They wouldn't have even made the playoffs in the American League lol. That year the Blue Jays missed the playoffs with 91 wins and a much better team than the Braves in run differential and all advanced metrics. The Braves made the playoffs with 87 wins.

Again I'm not saying AA was terrible and I'm grateful for the playoff run he gave us, but also saying that the Shapiro front office has gotten a lot of bad rep over the years. If you look at it objectively, they've built some decent teams over this decade and deserved a better fate in some of the previous years too.

[JN]

I have never actively cheered for a team that made the World Series. Let's hope it changes today.

Disappointed as a fan of the 1985 Jays and the 1987 Jays, By 1991 I disliked the Jays with a passion and went all in on my near hometown Expos -- have very feint memories as a young kid of the 1981 Expos Blue Monday game and my dad being angry. Of course who knows what would have happened in 1994. I still don't consider the 1992 and 1993 championships as a "fan" of a team - I really disliked the team at the time, so its not going to provide any fond memories or do much for me.

The distaste for the Jays stopped around 2008-2010 (after I had lived in Toronto for about 8 years) and I followed them more and more each year after that, but i never really got into them really strongly until the summer of 2015.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Happy game 7


Mariners wont pitch to vladdy. Need a game plan

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We really need Kirk and Varsho to step up and make them pay for pitching around Vladdy.

[brwnman]

Remember when AA left and everyone was acting like we let some generational genius get away and would never win again. This team has gotten farther than any AA-led team already. Best season in 30+ years and we've done it not with a team stacked full of talent, but a solid core and team ball strategy. Easily the one most fun season I've had in a long while.

Jays have done this with 270M payroll and by being one of the worst teams at developing talent mainly acquiring from FA. Remember when Rogers had 'payroll parameters' under AA and wouldn't let him spend while they were contending or he had to withhold spending in the offseason because Rogers wouldn't open up their wallets during the season?

They have done away with that and really spent on the team to cover up prospect development. Jays got to this point (ALCS) in 2015 and 2016. And AA already won the WS and has been in the playoffs every single year except this one. Really bad take on this one.

AA left this team with legit no pieces aside from Vlad. He went all in for the 2015 run and emptied the cupboard. We should definitely be giving credit to this front office for having a fairly decent decade in terms of regular season performance and even making the playoffs a few times.

Also, AA won the World Series with a Braves core that he inherited from a front office that was banned from baseball due to signing rules circumvention. Not to mention that the year the Braves won the World Series? They wouldn't have even made the playoffs in the American League lol. That year the Blue Jays missed the playoffs with 91 wins and a much better team than the Braves in run differential and all advanced metrics. The Braves made the playoffs with 87 wins.

Again I'm not saying AA was terrible and I'm grateful for the playoff run he gave us, but also saying that the Shapiro front office has gotten a lot of bad rep over the years. If you look at it objectively, they've built some decent teams over this decade and deserved a better fate in some of the previous years too.

Just going to copy some of my response from the AA departs Jays thread.

While aging, there was quite of ML talent and young talent on the major league team. They had Stroman, Sanchez and Osuna on the pitching side. Donaldson, Edwin and Bautista were still premier players. He traded prospect depth, but kept the best prospect in Vlad. The team wasn't devoid of talent when he left.

The Shapiro regime deserves a bad rep for a lot of things they've done. They've done less with more resources at their disposal. If we're going to talk about teams inherited, the Shapiro team inherited a ALCS team B2B years. Question is, what do you do with that inherited team? Do you sign up good, young talent long-term or do you wait a year before FA for your best prospect and have to pay him 500M+? If you're worried about the core getting old and not competing, you don't sign Kendrys Morales for 2017-2019. Do you not turn any of your productive players into future assets?

Devon Travis was also with the Jays (I know injuries derailed him). How good is/was Jays development with any of their young players?

Take Stroman's trade tree into account, we should talk about how they traded a Stroman for a replica of Stroman (not pitching style) and Berrios' contract is now a negative (extended him early for no reason). Not only that, Jays got less value for Stroman than they had to pay to acquire Berrios when they were essentially the same pitcher. Jays definitely went for broke in 2015, but they had enough young talent that with a few good drafts, they'd be able to build the farm back up while the team was somewhat competitive in 2016 & 2017.

In terms of asset management, I think that's the biggest failure in the early part of Shatkins' tenure. They did well with a couple of signings which they should have absolutely turned into assets since the team wasn't competing even though they thought they could do that with bargain bin hunting.

How do you turn Bautista, Donaldson, Edwin, Stroman, Sanchez, Estrada, Happ into nothing? Edwin remained a solid hitter for another 3 years after 2016. They replaced him with Kendrys Morales to try and compete; the official rebuild hadn't started yet. Donaldson should have been offered a QO instead of being traded for Julian Merryweather. Happ should have returned more. Stroman trade was horrible for what he was producing at the time.

AA has drafted Michael Harris, Schwellenbach, Strider, Drake Baldwin, Langeliers (that got them Olson after losing Freeman) - and he has history of good drafts with the Jays. If Rogers gave him the same resources, I think Toronto would be a better team during the last 11 seasons.

[JCP11]

Man we're limping into this game 7 without Bo, Santander and a Springer on one knee. This team deserves a lot of respect for fighting no matter what. I hope they take that game 7 in a no doubter.

[Parataxis]

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

There is SO MUCH doubt. Even if you accept that the Dodgers are a better team.

This is baseball. Stronger teams lose to weaker ones ALL THE TIME. Even over multiple game series.