ALCS Update: Blue Jays Beat Mariners In Game 7 And Advance To The World Series!

[pingpongrac]

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

Ohtani: .220 BA, .333 OBP, .634 SLG, 7 R, 9 RBI, 19 K in 48 PA
Vladdy: .462 BA, .532 OBP, 1.000 SLG, 11 R, 12 RBI, 2 K in 47 PA

Aside from the HRs (of which Ohtani hit all 5 of his in 2 games), Vladdy is almost doubling up Ohtani's numbers in practically identical plate appearances lol. Even if you consider the 2.25 ERA and 19 K in 12 innings that Ohtani has pitched, Vladdy easily clears him so far this postseason. This has been a generational individual run, and hopefully it continues for at least another week.

[JCP11]

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

Ohtani: .220 BA, .333 OBP, .634 SLG, 7 R, 9 RBI, 19 K in 48 PA
Vladdy: .462 BA, .532 OBP, 1.000 SLG, 11 R, 12 RBI, 2 K in 47 PA

Aside from the HRs (of which Ohtani hit all 5 of his in 2 games), Vladdy is almost doubling up Ohtani's numbers in practically identical plate appearances lol. Even if you consider the 2.25 ERA and 19 K in 12 innings that Ohtani has pitched, Vladdy easily clears him so far this postseason. This has been a generational individual run, and hopefully it continues for at least another week.

I find it weird that people put Ohtani in front of Vlad in these playoffs. That one game he had to close the series made everyone forget how he played outside of that. Plus Ohtani has plenty of fire power around him to protect him, he doesn't have to produce every game but if Vlad goes 0fer Blue Jays likely lose. Fans have been super hard on Vlad this season (with reason) but we can't diminish what he's doing now and we should give him his due.

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

They are referring to the playoffs. Ohtani is the best player in the world but Vladdy has been much better in the playoffs.

[TommyT]

Happy game 7


Mariners wont pitch to vladdy. Need a game plan

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We really need Kirk and Varsho to step up and make them pay for pitching around Vladdy.

Mariners were pitching around Ernie too yesterday. Hitting him 2nd, gets extra at bats and with Vladdy behind is how I’d run it out today.

[Asianiac_24]

Ohtani is still the greater and better player, but throughout this postseason, Vlad is having a historic run and clear best player thus far

[Asianiac_24]

Happy game 7


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We really need Kirk and Varsho to step up and make them pay for pitching around Vladdy.

Mariners were pitching around Ernie too yesterday. Hitting him 2nd, gets extra at bats and with Vladdy behind is how I’d run it out today.

I’d be ok with Ernie at the 2 and Lukes at the 4 spot. Kirk has been abysmal and needs to be moved down

[WuTang_CMB]

Schneider wont change the lineup.

they are going to be aggressive on kirby early. i hope we can capitalize

[pingpongrac]

Schneider wont change the lineup.

they are going to be aggressive on kirby early. i hope we can capitalize

Yeah, if he hasn’t changed it yet, he likely won’t tonight. Hard to argue with the results when we are averaging nearly 7 runs per game in the postseason thus far, but it’s also hard not to think how much better off we’d be if our #5 hitter wasn’t 3 for his last 30 with 10 Ks and a crapload of runners left on base over that span.

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[Randle McMurphy]

Varsho hit two balls harder last night than Ernie Clement has all season.

Definitely gotta move him down though based on a sample size of 5 games.

[Top10alltime]

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This is insane......

Greatest playoff run in MLB history!

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

Not sure I'm understanding your question correctly but...

Ohtani is the greatest player of all-time.

Vladdy is on pace to having the greatest post-season performance of all-time.

Why does Vladdy have a better postseason than Ohtani this year, let alone all time

[Top10alltime]

Man I want to see Vladdy vs. Othani match up! Two hottest hitters in the game right now.

As a Toronto fan, Ohtani clears him. Toronto may win Game 7 and force Seattle with another world series less year, but either team is losing to LA in 4/5. The reason is how the hell can you tell me that LA dominates the offs, swept the Brewers and aren't winning?

Vladi is a distant second though. We have the best defense in the league, so who knows? This team could be that good. With a strong, top 5 offense in the league, and a young pitcher like Yesavage, this team could win it all

you're no casual and take your rational non-uber-homer takes elsewhere

Thank you, and no, I still am a Toronto fan

[Top10alltime]

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

I suspect there is a reading comprehension gap here.

We're not talking about who's the better overall player. We know Vladdy is not better than Shohei Ohtani or Aaron Judge in terms of overall career or player. But he is having a better postseason than them, that's just a statistical fact that's been posted numerous times in here.

This conversation is about postseason runs and you've seen all the stats posted. It's undeniable that Vladdy is having one of the best postseason runs ever and we are simply celebrating his current hot streak. We are not, I repeat, NOT saying he's suddenly a better player than Ohtani or Judge. Capiche?

Again, why does Vladdy even get the best postseason player this year, let alone all time

[Randle McMurphy]

We really need Kirk and Varsho to step up and make them pay for pitching around Vladdy.

Mariners were pitching around Ernie too yesterday. Hitting him 2nd, gets extra at bats and with Vladdy behind is how I’d run it out today.

I’d be ok with Ernie at the 2 and Lukes at the 4 spot. Kirk has been abysmal and needs to be moved down

Kirk has a 113 wRC+ in the playoffs, which is just about identical to what he did in the regular season.

Abysmal stuff

[rapstarter]

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

Not sure I'm understanding your question correctly but...

Ohtani is the greatest player of all-time.

Vladdy is on pace to having the greatest post-season performance of all-time.

Why does Vladdy have a better postseason than Ohtani this year, let alone all time

Because he has?

[Top10alltime]

Woah Woah Woah. If we're putting vladi in these conversations (even making the World Series, there's no doubt we lose to Dodgers in 4/5, at the very highest 6). Then where are we putting ohtani at?

There is SO MUCH doubt. Even if you accept that the Dodgers are a better team.

This is baseball. Stronger teams lose to weaker ones ALL THE TIME. Even over multiple game series.

At the level Ohtani plays right now, if he does that crap to Blue Jay's? It's def going to 4.

Also it's my opinion, it's not a definitive answer

[Top10alltime]

If talking strictly postseason runs...

Other than the closeout game vs Milwaukee (which rightfully got a lot of attention last week), Ohtani has actually struggled a fair bit in this postseason. He also had just an OK postseason last year.

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

Ohtani: .220 BA, .333 OBP, .634 SLG, 7 R, 9 RBI, 19 K in 48 PA
Vladdy: .462 BA, .532 OBP, 1.000 SLG, 11 R, 12 RBI, 2 K in 47 PA

Aside from the HRs (of which Ohtani hit all 5 of his in 2 games), Vladdy is almost doubling up Ohtani's numbers in practically identical plate appearances lol. Even if you consider the 2.25 ERA and 19 K in 12 innings that Ohtani has pitched, Vladdy easily clears him so far this postseason. This has been a generational individual run, and hopefully it continues for at least another week.

So he's a better offensive player, that's nice. Don't forget, there's two sides. But glad you out in proof.

I'll rethink my statements...

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[Top10alltime]

Not sure I'm understanding your question correctly but...

Ohtani is the greatest player of all-time.

Vladdy is on pace to having the greatest post-season performance of all-time.

Why does Vladdy have a better postseason than Ohtani this year, let alone all time

Because he has?

You can say anything you want, but it isn't one of the choices unless you provide evidence, which is what I'm asking for.

[pingpongrac]

With all due respect to Vladi, Ohtani wipes the floor with him. He had one of the best series of all-time in the Brewers series, and was solid throughout the rest. It's clear that even with how strong Toronto is, Dodgers are clearly better and winning this in 4/5.

Ohtani: .220 BA, .333 OBP, .634 SLG, 7 R, 9 RBI, 19 K in 48 PA
Vladdy: .462 BA, .532 OBP, 1.000 SLG, 11 R, 12 RBI, 2 K in 47 PA

Aside from the HRs (of which Ohtani hit all 5 of his in 2 games), Vladdy is almost doubling up Ohtani's numbers in practically identical plate appearances lol. Even if you consider the 2.25 ERA and 19 K in 12 innings that Ohtani has pitched, Vladdy easily clears him so far this postseason. This has been a generational individual run, and hopefully it continues for at least another week.

So he's a better offensive player, that's nice. Don't forget, there's two sides. But glad you out in proof.

I'll rethink my statements...

Yeah, there is two sides…and even with Shohei having one dominant start and another very good start, that doesn’t change the fact that Vladdy is having an historic run and has been far more dominant on the offensive end — which is what the entire point of the conversation initially was before you moved the goalposts multiple times.