Onus wrote:Light years podcast is thinking that Podz might command a 30M/year contract ... But yea it's highly likely he's going to get a bigger contract than JK.
They're kinda dummies man. I'm pretty sure Podz is not better than Quentin Grimes. This is what I was saying the other day. If Podz somehow wants $30M AAV, I'd rather go get Quentin Grimes and pay him less.
Or just start Will Richard who might be better than Podz anyway.
I don't think he gets 30M.
I'm hoping 4/100 is his ceiling and anything below that would be great.
With both Daniels and Braun getting 25M AAV seems like a good defensive starter is worth that. Toumani really settled for less. This is what Grimes should be aiming for as well (20-25M AAV). But if Podz is being realistic 20-25 seems like that's his range. If Podz wants to take a discount from that range we probably sign him early otherwise we probably hold his rights for RFA and see what happens in 27 then sign him to a deal depending on what happens in 27.
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Starting lineup for game 1 I think is curry/podz/jk/jimmy/dray or does will Richard get the Luka assignment. Haha
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I think Richard may start opening night with Moody out, they're somewhat the same type of player.
Expecting to see Horford mostly play the end of quarters to keep him around 20-24 minutes which allows him to close games.
I think Kuminga will play a lot with Horford and it's very possible if Kuminga continues to buy in, he could stay in GS and get a new long-term deal next summer.
Moody + other(s) could be moved for a needed position (instead of Kuminga) if Richard shows he can handle the role at a fraction of the price (for the next 4 years).
Oh yeah, I expect to see way more Spencer than most want to see until Melton is ready to go.
I think Richard may start opening night with Moody out, they're somewhat the same type of player.
Expecting to see Horford mostly play the end of quarters to keep him around 20-24 minutes which allows him to close games.
I think Kuminga will play a lot with Horford and it's very possible if Kuminga continues to buy in, he could stay in GS and get a new long-term deal next summer.
Moody + other(s) could be moved for a needed position (instead of Kuminga) if Richard shows he can handle the role at a fraction of the price (for the next 4 years).
Oh yeah, I expect to see way more Spencer than anyone wants to see until Melton is ready to go.
Starting Will would be such a Kerr move. From starting to out of the rotation once melton and moody make it back from injuries. But yea I think it’ll be either Will or jk. Maybe horford starts against Jokic.
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I think Richard may start opening night with Moody out, they're somewhat the same type of player.
Expecting to see Horford mostly play the end of quarters to keep him around 20-24 minutes which allows him to close games.
I think Kuminga will play a lot with Horford and it's very possible if Kuminga continues to buy in, he could stay in GS and get a new long-term deal next summer.
Moody + other(s) could be moved for a needed position (instead of Kuminga) if Richard shows he can handle the role at a fraction of the price (for the next 4 years).
Oh yeah, I expect to see way more Spencer than anyone wants to see until Melton is ready to go.
Starting Will would be such a Kerr move. From starting to out of the rotation once melton and moody make it back from injuries. But yea I think it’ll be either Will or jk. Maybe horford starts against Jokic.
Butler: Will going to be good. Kerr: No, he's good.
Richard doesn't have a high ceiling like the possibility of bieng an engine of offense, but if he plays his role of defense, cutting, taking and hitting 3s, he can have a solid career in the NBA as a 2nd round pick and GS has him on a cheap 4-year contract, they learned from Post's 2 year contract, if you can see them sticking, get them for as many years as you can on the cheap.
I think Richard may start opening night with Moody out, they're somewhat the same type of player.
Expecting to see Horford mostly play the end of quarters to keep him around 20-24 minutes which allows him to close games.
I think Kuminga will play a lot with Horford and it's very possible if Kuminga continues to buy in, he could stay in GS and get a new long-term deal next summer.
Moody + other(s) could be moved for a needed position (instead of Kuminga) if Richard shows he can handle the role at a fraction of the price (for the next 4 years).
Oh yeah, I expect to see way more Spencer than anyone wants to see until Melton is ready to go.
Starting Will would be such a Kerr move. From starting to out of the rotation once melton and moody make it back from injuries. But yea I think it’ll be either Will or jk. Maybe horford starts against Jokic.
Butler: Will going to be good. Kerr: No, he's good.
Richard doesn't have a high ceiling like the possibility of bieng an engine of offense, but if he plays his role of defense, cutting, taking and hitting 3s, he can have a solid career in the NBA as a 2nd round pick and GS has him on a cheap 4-year contract, they learned from Post's 2 year contract, if you can see them sticking, get them for as many years as you can on the cheap.
Yea Will is essentially a less experienced Moody. He seems really good in the pocket and digging down, understands where to be defensively. Isn't the best on ball but he tries. His offense isn't polished currently. His shot is pretty slow, not great but he should be able to get to where moody is at some point. I wouldn't mind him starting, just is funny that he would start opening night and then a month later will be out of the rotation most likely.
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It's astonishing to me how wrong people are getting it about Will Richard, here, in the media, reddit, etc. Literally everyone seems to think Will Richard is supposed to be competing with Moody.
When it is so **** obvious he should be competing with Podz for the "small 2 guard" minutes, not Moody. The fact that we're even talking about Richard taking minutes from Moody is extremely depressing.
God damn, people, do you think we are a serious contender with a lineup of Steph/Podz/Will Richard? It makes me want to vomit, if I could vomit and cry at the same time. Only a blackpilled Steve Kerr fanbase would think like this. I guess Will Richard is the new Gui Santos is the new Lindsay Waters and on and on. Every time everyone has to re-learn the same god damn lesson over and over again.
MOODY IS THE TRUE WING ON THIS TEAM. LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE.
Onus wrote:Starting Will would be such a Kerr move. From starting to out of the rotation once melton and moody make it back from injuries. But yea I think it’ll be either Will or jk. Maybe horford starts against Jokic.
Butler: Will going to be good. Kerr: No, he's good.
Richard doesn't have a high ceiling like the possibility of bieng an engine of offense, but if he plays his role of defense, cutting, taking and hitting 3s, he can have a solid career in the NBA as a 2nd round pick and GS has him on a cheap 4-year contract, they learned from Post's 2 year contract, if you can see them sticking, get them for as many years as you can on the cheap.
Yea Will is essentially a less experienced Moody. He seems really good in the pocket and digging down, understands where to be defensively. Isn't the best on ball but he tries. His offense isn't polished currently. His shot is pretty slow, not great but he should be able to get to where moody is at some point. I wouldn't mind him starting, just is funny that he would start opening night and then a month later will be out of the rotation most likely.
Sure, but if he can do the job, that gives you options like moving Moody + player/pick(s) for a bigger need. Moody + TJD + ? gets you up to Portis' contract with Milwaukee. Moody, TJD + pick(s) could get you Kessler and Niang price range. Stack another player like Santos with the 2 previous and you're in I.Stewert price range (that's a strong/tough front line of Green, Butler and Stewert). The point is, there's options if Richard is good which Kerr says he is, so use that to your advantage to strengthen the team.
Bro literally found out about Will Richard 3 months ago and hasn't watched him in a single regular season NBA game and is already trying to trade Moody. My god. It's hilarious, but sad at the same time. I've followed Will Richard since his Freshman year at Belmont. But there are reasons 29 other teams passed on him and he wasn't even considered a likely draft pick. I mean, FFS, can we at least wait a few months and see how he actually performs in real games against legit competition before anointing him over Moody? It's just embarrassingly early hot takes like this that make this place a steaming pile of hot **** sometimes.
EvanZ wrote:It's astonishing to me how wrong people are getting it about Will Richard, here, in the media, reddit, etc. Literally everyone seems to think Will Richard is supposed to be competing with Moody.
When it is so **** obvious he should be competing with Podz for the "small 2 guard" minutes, not Moody. The fact that we're even talking about Richard taking minutes from Moody is extremely depressing.
God damn, people, do you think we are a serious contender with a lineup of Steph/Podz/Will Richard? It makes me want to vomit, if I could vomit and cry at the same time. Only a blackpilled Steve Kerr fanbase would think like this. I guess Will Richard is the new Gui Santos is the new Lindsay Waters and on and on. Every time everyone has to re-learn the same god damn lesson over and over again.
MOODY IS THE TRUE WING ON THIS TEAM. LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE.
If you don't count Butler, Hield, Kuminga and quite possibly Richard himself.
It's not that Richard will be a long-term starter, it's what you can do to improve the team if he can handle Moody's 3&D role.
My point is getting a starting Center which would leave Draymond at PF until you needed him, possibly making him fresher for the playoffs.
Starters... Curry, Podz, Butler, Green, New Center. Rotation guys.. Melton/Spencer, Hield, Richard, Kuminga, Horford Others getting time... Post (hoping he develops more)
EvanZ wrote:Bro literally found out about Will Richard 3 months ago and hasn't watched him in a single regular season NBA game and is already trying to trade Moody. My god. It's hilarious, but sad at the same time. I've followed Will Richard since his Freshman year at Belmont. But there are reasons 29 other teams passed on him and he wasn't even considered a likely draft pick. I mean, FFS, can we at least wait a few months and see how he actually performs in real games against legit competition before anointing him over Moody? It's just embarrassingly early hot takes like this that make this place a steaming pile of hot **** sometimes.
It's not anointing him over Moody, get that out of your head.
Moody >>> Richard ok, nobody is saying Richard is as good as Moody, we're saying he can handle that role and it seems that some future HOF coach seems to think that too even testing him with the starters in preseason.
The question is, can you make a better roster? Not is player x better then play y.
If Kuminga will work to play the right way, by far he has a much higher ceiling then Moody, so if you need to make a move Moody is about the only guy you can send out with decent money unless you're ok moving Hield who will have less value.
I like Moody, I expect him to start with Green at center but if you're talking about trying to win a title and needing to make a move... moving Moody makes sense salary wise and if and only if Kuminga has shown he's buying in.
Just to make sure you understand, at this point I wouldn't want to rely on Richard as a starter but I'm fine with him starting in Moody's spot until Moody is back.
EvanZ wrote:Bro literally found out about Will Richard 3 months ago and hasn't watched him in a single regular season NBA game and is already trying to trade Moody. My god. It's hilarious, but sad at the same time. I've followed Will Richard since his Freshman year at Belmont. But there are reasons 29 other teams passed on him and he wasn't even considered a likely draft pick. I mean, FFS, can we at least wait a few months and see how he actually performs in real games against legit competition before anointing him over Moody? It's just embarrassingly early hot takes like this that make this place a steaming pile of hot **** sometimes.
It's not anointing him over Moody, get that out of your head.
Moody > Richard ok, nobody is saying Richard is as good as Moody, we're saying he can handle that role and it seems that some future HOF coach seems to think that too even testing him with the starters in preseason.
The bold part is absolutely not what anyone should be saying. A) It's way too **** early to claim Richard is even a legit NBA player, let alone starter (which Moody obviously is and has been). B) Richard IS NOT THE MOODY ROLE.
I do not want 3 small guards playing together. That is what it would be if you have Pod and Lil Richard out there. You can't play Lil Richard at the 3/4 like you can Moody.
FFS do people understand Richard is essentially the same size as Steph? And you want him playing along side Steph and Podz as a 3? IT's literally insane. What are we even talking about when we already have GPII. It's like my god, if you want that, just play GPII. I can't believe people are so easily trusting in a dude who they literally have never heard about 3 months ago and was the 58th pick in a draft with 59 picks.
I mean it would be laughable even on a tanking team, but this MF team is trying to win a title. And we're talking about Will Richard starting. COME ON PEOPLE.
EvanZ wrote:Bro literally found out about Will Richard 3 months ago and hasn't watched him in a single regular season NBA game and is already trying to trade Moody. My god. It's hilarious, but sad at the same time. I've followed Will Richard since his Freshman year at Belmont. But there are reasons 29 other teams passed on him and he wasn't even considered a likely draft pick. I mean, FFS, can we at least wait a few months and see how he actually performs in real games against legit competition before anointing him over Moody? It's just embarrassingly early hot takes like this that make this place a steaming pile of hot **** sometimes.
It's not anointing him over Moody, get that out of your head.
Moody > Richard ok, nobody is saying Richard is as good as Moody, we're saying he can handle that role and it seems that some future HOF coach seems to think that too even testing him with the starters in preseason.
The bold part is absolutely not what anyone should be saying. A) It's way too **** early to claim Richard is even a legit NBA player, let alone starter (which Moody obviously is and has been). B) Richard IS NOT THE MOODY ROLE.
I do not want 3 small guards playing together. That is what it would be if you have Pod and Lil Richard out there. You can't play Lil Richard at the 3/4 like you can Moody.
So GET THAT OUT OF *YOUR* HEAD FOREVER.
Curry, Podz, Butler, Green, NEW CENTER Melton/Spencer, Hield, Richard, Kuminga, Horford
Where's the 3 guards unless Kerr wants to go small to go faster? Both Hield and Richard can play wings, especially off the bench and you have 3-4 bench guys who can shoot 3s around Kuminga.
Then again, I just spent half a decade watching Miami make the ECF 3 times and the finals twice with much less talent and smaller players than what GS currently has, running out guys like C.Martin, M.Strus, PJ Tucker playing PF (all 6'5''). You have Green for PF (IF HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAY SO MUCH CENTER), just get the center position fixed where Horford can play 20-24 minutes with 6-8 of those minutes being the end of the 4th quarter.
I'm not advocating a move NOW, a lot of this depends on Kuminga and not what he can do, but what he's willing to do. You usually have to give up talent to get talent.
Wiggins was in the same situation in Minnesota that Kuminga is in here, able to score, great athletic ability but wanted to play his way and just jacked up shots and played lackadaisical defense, a large contract did not change him and he had to be moved with a draft pick to get off his max contract, but did finally wake up in GS as you saw. I'm seeing some hope Kuminga may be willing to change which is a very good thing for GS. (I watched almost every Timberwolves game with Thibodeau coaching to see how Wiggins or Towns wouldn't evolve as players)
Those were the days!
Spoiler:
Wiggins looking at someone near courtside while his man goes backdoor for an easy reverse layup. (He wasn't talking or looking at the ref)
Towns not guarding some guy named Brook Lopez at the 3pt line. Not a thought about guarding the open 3pt shooter while Taj Gibson had the guy with the ball covered.
Bro, you want to trade Moody for a center? What are we even doing here.
Are you a Moses Moody ex-girlfriend or something? This is the most braindead idea I've heard in a long time. You literally want to keep Kuminga, trade Moody for another center so he can play ahead of Horford?
Like what in the holy hell made you think this is a good idea? Literally you want to trade the only real wing on the entire roster for a center? Come on bro.
AirP. wrote: It's not anointing him over Moody, get that out of your head.
Moody > Richard ok, nobody is saying Richard is as good as Moody, we're saying he can handle that role and it seems that some future HOF coach seems to think that too even testing him with the starters in preseason.
The bold part is absolutely not what anyone should be saying. A) It's way too **** early to claim Richard is even a legit NBA player, let alone starter (which Moody obviously is and has been). B) Richard IS NOT THE MOODY ROLE.
I do not want 3 small guards playing together. That is what it would be if you have Pod and Lil Richard out there. You can't play Lil Richard at the 3/4 like you can Moody.
So GET THAT OUT OF *YOUR* HEAD FOREVER.
Curry, Podz, Butler, Green, NEW CENTER Melton/Spencer, Hield, Richard, Kuminga, Horford
Where's the 3 guards unless Kerr wants to go small to go faster? Both Hield and Richard can play wings, especially off the bench and you have 3-4 bench guys who can shoot 3s around Kuminga.
Then again, I just spent half a decade watching Miami make the ECF 3 and the finals twice with much less talent and smaller talent than what GS currently has, running out guys like C.Martin, M.Strus, PJ Tucker playing PF (all 6'5''). You have Green for PF (IF HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAY SO MUCH CENTER), just get the center position fixed where Horford can play 20-24 minutes with 6-8 of those minutes being the end of the 4th quarter.
I'm not advocating a move NOW, a lot of this depends on Kuminga and not what he can do, but what he's willing to do.
Wiggins was in the same situation in Minnesota that Kuminga is in here, able to score, great athletic ability but wanted to play his way and just jacked up shots and played lackadaisical defense, a large contract did not change him and he had to be moved with a draft pick to get off his max contract, but did finally wake up in GS as you saw. I'm seeing some hope Kuminga may be willing to change which is a very good thing for GS. (I watched almost every Timberwolves game with Thibodeau coaching to see how Wiggins or Towns wouldn't evolve as players)
Those were the days!
Spoiler:
Wiggins looking at someone near courtside while his man goes backdoor for an easy reverse layup.
Towns not guarding some guy named Brook Lopez at the 3pt line.
Funny you say "wigs woke up in gs" and then show a clip of him falling asleep on the weak side in a warriors uniform.
I do agree with most of your points except 1 - i don't think moody is enough to fetch a starting center. Not even enough salary. So if you're bundling MM and Buddy to get to 20M for a center (not sure who's on your list), that's a lot of wing shooting going out. Also, doesn't seem like enough to get a true starter at the 5 so then you'll need to attach a pick or two (or podz). I don't know, seems tough. Best bet may be to hope JK plays well, Milwaukee tanks, and you can trade JK + podz for Turner (though many here don't like Miles). That's IF you really are targeting a center. Personally, I think Horford/Dray/Post will be plenty for the 5, barring injury, of course.
Some folks here think MM is really good. I think he's ok, likely a 5th/6th starter on a good team, like he has been here for most of the last 12 months. Problem is, he has limited upside and a spotty track record of consistent play. Nagging injuries and untimely slumps have made it tough for him to show a full season of high level play. I hope it happens for him this year but being hurt already is not a good sign. I just don't think he has as much trade value as he has actual value to this team.
Our most likely trade package will include his very team friendly salary, JK's larger salary, and podz. We seem to have the depth (if melton is healthy) to trade those 3 IF we can get a real impact player back. IMO, those 3 plus picks are a great deal for a ~40M player: team friendly deals for 3 players under 23 AND high value picks from a post Steph team is a great package, unless you think all 3 of those young players are trash. Unless Amen or Dylan are on the table, not sure even Hou or SAS can beat that package (how do they get to 40M?).
EvanZ wrote:Bro, you want to trade Moody for a center? What are we even doing here.
Are you a Moses Moody ex-girlfriend or something? This is the most braindead idea I've heard in a long time. You literally want to keep Kuminga, trade Moody for another center so he can play ahead of Horford?
Like what in the holy hell made you think this is a good idea? Literally you want to trade the only real wing on the entire roster for a center? Come on bro.
I'm saying it's an option IF KUMINGA LOOKS LIKE HE'S BUYING IN, if Kuminga isn't then keep Moody, be happy you kept Moddy and move Kuminga.
The options on making this team better this season are limited.
(Curry, Butler and Green aren't going anywhere) So...
Moody at 11 mill is a positive asset on a smaller decent sized contract. Hield will be seen as a neutral at best 9-million-dollar contract, you'll have to add draft picks and more salary more than likely. Podz rookie contract at 4 mil is an asset but probably isn't enough money to bring back what is needed. Kuminga, a nice sized 22 mil contract.
I've been looking to jettison Kuminga for a while but in his limited play he's tried to move the ball, not force shots as much to a fault sometimes. He's trying and with his athletic ability and strength, if he's really putting the effort to change that might be a very good starting level player for GS in the near future, if it's only short term because he isn't happy playing this way, move him! He's been shown he can get paid and now he has to decide if winning is more important than him jacking up shots, if so, it would be great for GS now and in the future.
EvanZ wrote: The bold part is absolutely not what anyone should be saying. A) It's way too **** early to claim Richard is even a legit NBA player, let alone starter (which Moody obviously is and has been). B) Richard IS NOT THE MOODY ROLE.
I do not want 3 small guards playing together. That is what it would be if you have Pod and Lil Richard out there. You can't play Lil Richard at the 3/4 like you can Moody.
So GET THAT OUT OF *YOUR* HEAD FOREVER.
Spoiler:
Curry, Podz, Butler, Green, NEW CENTER Melton/Spencer, Hield, Richard, Kuminga, Horford
Where's the 3 guards unless Kerr wants to go small to go faster? Both Hield and Richard can play wings, especially off the bench and you have 3-4 bench guys who can shoot 3s around Kuminga.
Then again, I just spent half a decade watching Miami make the ECF 3 and the finals twice with much less talent and smaller talent than what GS currently has, running out guys like C.Martin, M.Strus, PJ Tucker playing PF (all 6'5''). You have Green for PF (IF HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAY SO MUCH CENTER), just get the center position fixed where Horford can play 20-24 minutes with 6-8 of those minutes being the end of the 4th quarter.
I'm not advocating a move NOW, a lot of this depends on Kuminga and not what he can do, but what he's willing to do.
Wiggins was in the same situation in Minnesota that Kuminga is in here, able to score, great athletic ability but wanted to play his way and just jacked up shots and played lackadaisical defense, a large contract did not change him and he had to be moved with a draft pick to get off his max contract, but did finally wake up in GS as you saw. I'm seeing some hope Kuminga may be willing to change which is a very good thing for GS. (I watched almost every Timberwolves game with Thibodeau coaching to see how Wiggins or Towns wouldn't evolve as players)
Those were the days!
Spoiler:
Wiggins looking at someone near courtside while his man goes backdoor for an easy reverse layup.
Towns not guarding some guy named Brook Lopez at the 3pt line.
Funny you say "wigs woke up in gs" and then show a clip of him falling asleep on the weak side in a warriors uniform.
I do agree with most of your points except 1 - i don't think moody is enough to fetch a starting center. Not even enough salary. So if you're bundling MM and Buddy to get to 20M for a center (not sure who's on your list), that's a lot of wing shooting going out. Also, doesn't seem like enough to get a true starter at the 5 so then you'll need to attach a pick or two (or podz). I don't know, seems tough. Best bet may be to hope JK plays well, Milwaukee tanks, and you can trade JK + podz for Turner (though many here don't like Miles). That's IF you really are targeting a center. Personally, I think Horford/Dray/Post will be plenty for the 5, barring injury, of course.
Some folks here think MM is really good. I think he's ok, likely a 5th/6th starter on a good team, like he has been here for most of the last 12 months. Problem is, he has limited upside and a spotty track record of consistent play. Nagging injuries and untimely slumps have made it tough for him to show a full season of high level play. I hope it happens for him this year but being hurt already is not a good sign. I just don't think he has as much trade value as he has actual value to this team.
Our most likely trade package will include his very team friendly salary, JK's larger salary, and podz. We seem to have the depth (if melton is healthy) to trade those 3 IF we can get a real impact player back. IMO, those 3 plus picks are a great deal for a ~40M player: team friendly deals for 3 players under 23 AND high value picks from a post Steph team is a great package, unless you think all 3 of those young players are trash. Unless Amen or Dylan are on the table, not sure even Hou or SAS can beat that package (how do they get to 40M?).
That's in Minnesota where they wear their home uniforms that look like overall straps at the top against Memphis. That's Gorgui Dieng in the lane and Butler on the side of the lane in the home uniforms.
I also agree Moody probably doesn't net a normal starting center for GS, hence me talking about Portis or Stewert types at near Moody's price point, centers just good enough to start in GS to move Green back to PF and have Horford finish games at center.
Wiggins in Minnesota was just as frustrating as Kuminga was last year for me, the difference, ownership didn't force the coach to play Kuminga. The reps did not help Wiggins; it just made him create worse habits. It was nice to see Wiggins finally play more of the right way in GS.
Curry, Podz, Butler, Green, NEW CENTER Melton/Spencer, Hield, Richard, Kuminga, Horford
Where's the 3 guards unless Kerr wants to go small to go faster? Both Hield and Richard can play wings, especially off the bench and you have 3-4 bench guys who can shoot 3s around Kuminga.
Then again, I just spent half a decade watching Miami make the ECF 3 and the finals twice with much less talent and smaller talent than what GS currently has, running out guys like C.Martin, M.Strus, PJ Tucker playing PF (all 6'5''). You have Green for PF (IF HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAY SO MUCH CENTER), just get the center position fixed where Horford can play 20-24 minutes with 6-8 of those minutes being the end of the 4th quarter.
I'm not advocating a move NOW, a lot of this depends on Kuminga and not what he can do, but what he's willing to do.
Wiggins was in the same situation in Minnesota that Kuminga is in here, able to score, great athletic ability but wanted to play his way and just jacked up shots and played lackadaisical defense, a large contract did not change him and he had to be moved with a draft pick to get off his max contract, but did finally wake up in GS as you saw. I'm seeing some hope Kuminga may be willing to change which is a very good thing for GS. (I watched almost every Timberwolves game with Thibodeau coaching to see how Wiggins or Towns wouldn't evolve as players)
Those were the days!
Spoiler:
Wiggins looking at someone near courtside while his man goes backdoor for an easy reverse layup.
Towns not guarding some guy named Brook Lopez at the 3pt line.
Funny you say "wigs woke up in gs" and then show a clip of him falling asleep on the weak side in a warriors uniform.
I do agree with most of your points except 1 - i don't think moody is enough to fetch a starting center. Not even enough salary. So if you're bundling MM and Buddy to get to 20M for a center (not sure who's on your list), that's a lot of wing shooting going out. Also, doesn't seem like enough to get a true starter at the 5 so then you'll need to attach a pick or two (or podz). I don't know, seems tough. Best bet may be to hope JK plays well, Milwaukee tanks, and you can trade JK + podz for Turner (though many here don't like Miles). That's IF you really are targeting a center. Personally, I think Horford/Dray/Post will be plenty for the 5, barring injury, of course.
Some folks here think MM is really good. I think he's ok, likely a 5th/6th starter on a good team, like he has been here for most of the last 12 months. Problem is, he has limited upside and a spotty track record of consistent play. Nagging injuries and untimely slumps have made it tough for him to show a full season of high level play. I hope it happens for him this year but being hurt already is not a good sign. I just don't think he has as much trade value as he has actual value to this team.
Our most likely trade package will include his very team friendly salary, JK's larger salary, and podz. We seem to have the depth (if melton is healthy) to trade those 3 IF we can get a real impact player back. IMO, those 3 plus picks are a great deal for a ~40M player: team friendly deals for 3 players under 23 AND high value picks from a post Steph team is a great package, unless you think all 3 of those young players are trash. Unless Amen or Dylan are on the table, not sure even Hou or SAS can beat that package (how do they get to 40M?).
That's in Minnesota where they wear their home uniforms that look like overall straps at the top against Memphis. That's Gorgui Dieng in the lane and Butler on the side of the lane in the home uniforms.
I also agree Moody probably doesn't net a normal starting center for GS, hence me talking about Portis or Stewert types at near Moody's price point, centers just good enough to start in GS to move Green back to PF and have Horford finish games at center.
Wiggins in Minnesota was just as frustrating as Kuminga was last year for me, the difference, ownership didn't force the coach to play Kuminga. The reps did not help Wiggins; it just made him create worse habits. It was nice to see Wiggins finally play more of the right way in GS.
You've said the same thing, in bold, in caps, in as many ways as possible to the other guy in this part of the thread. Some people just don't wan tto engage in a meaningful way.
You're right, that's the minny court/uni's.
Stewart would be great here, especially next to Dray. If we missed out on Al, or if Dray or Al get hurt, I'd be all for trading a future first and MM's salary for stewart. I don't actually think MM is a wing. More like a guard/power forward but that's mostly because I expect my wings to be able to handle the ball a bit, attack on the weakside, and create for others. Moses is one of the few players that can play on the wing for this team and the rest are noticeably smaller than MM. We'll see if JK is able to break out of his undersized 4 role and actually take the 3 spot by the horns. That would be a real gamechanger for this squad and, I think, is what you're implying in your trade MM scenario.
Trading Moses Moody for Isaiah Stewart is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen on this board and I've seen plenty. My god the lack of brain cells here gobsmacking.
These people would have you believe we should be starting Kuminga/Butler/Dray/Stewart LMAO.
