[Shams] Atlanta extends Daniels (4/100)

Post #1 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:16 pm

https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/6f6d0624ff0dc

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:17 pm

thats alot less than the 5/150 his camp was pushing for. wonder if it includes a player option

SlimShady83 · Post #3 » by **SlimShady83** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:21 pm

Yep as expected, guessing they waiting on Young now? Let's see what they do with young

psman2 · Post #4 » by **psman2** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:24 pm

Bargain if he keeps it up or even improves. Hard to justify giving him a lot more with only one good year under his belt. Atlanta has done a good job of becoming one of the more interesting teams out there.

One_and_Done · Post #5 » by **One_and_Done** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:29 pm

I'm not saying this is a bad contract per se, but I'd rather have Camara (even if they made the same). Dyson has become one of the more overrated guys in the league, just because he racks up steals. His man D is nothing special. In that sense he's a bit like Thybelle, except he can shoot ok.

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:30 pm

psman2 wrote:Bargain if he keeps it up or even improves. Hard to justify giving him a lot more with only one good year under his belt. Atlanta has done a good job of becoming one of the more interesting teams out there.

He's too limited offensively for me to call this a bargain, but I definitely agree about the Hawks.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #7 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:33 pm

Seems like the running cost for these all-D, limited-O type guys in Jaden McDaniels, Herb Jones and Toumani Camara are all receiving contracts in a similar ball-park.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:36 pm

This seems bu far to be the best value extension given out. Wonder if Utah can get Kessler secured based on the numbers on these extensions?

ReggiesKnicks · Post #9 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:38 pm

babyjax13 wrote:This seems bu far to be the best value extension given out. Wonder if Utah can get Kessler secured based on the numbers on these extensions?

Kessler is a Center, these are all wings/oversized guards.

I expect Kessler to baseline at the Poeltl extension and come in closer to 30 AAV rather than 20-25 AAV. Turner is the other one to look at, which is 27 AAV.

I could definitely be wrong and he could come in that range (20-25 AAV) but I would be a bit surprised if he did come in that low.

Devilanche · Post #10 » by **Devilanche** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:40 pm

Good for the guy getting his bag secured .

Godaddycurse · Post #11 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 7:46 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:This seems bu far to be the best value extension given out. Wonder if Utah can get Kessler secured based on the numbers on these extensions?

Kessler is a Center, these are all wings/oversized guards.

I expect Kessler to baseline at the Poeltl extension and come in closer to 30 AAV rather than 20-25 AAV. Turner is the other one to look at, which is 27 AAV.

I could definitely be wrong and he could come in that range (20-25 AAV) but I would be a bit surprised if he did come in that low.

Poeltl's deal is technically 4/104M so its a bit less than turner's deal

babyjax13 · Post #12 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:26 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:This seems bu far to be the best value extension given out. Wonder if Utah can get Kessler secured based on the numbers on these extensions?

Kessler is a Center, these are all wings/oversized guards.

I expect Kessler to baseline at the Poeltl extension and come in closer to 30 AAV rather than 20-25 AAV. Turner is the other one to look at, which is 27 AAV.

I could definitely be wrong and he could come in that range (20-25 AAV) but I would be a bit surprised if he did come in that low.

It depends on what is setting market dynamics more, I suppose. Is it position, or is it the new cap environment (or some of both?).

ThatBoyNick · Post #13 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:30 pm

He reminds me an awful lot of Amen, who most of our fan base is penciling in for a max contract.

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:45 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:This seems bu far to be the best value extension given out. Wonder if Utah can get Kessler secured based on the numbers on these extensions?

Kessler is a Center, these are all wings/oversized guards.

I expect Kessler to baseline at the Poeltl extension and come in closer to 30 AAV rather than 20-25 AAV. Turner is the other one to look at, which is 27 AAV.

I could definitely be wrong and he could come in that range (20-25 AAV) but I would be a bit surprised if he did come in that low.

It depends on what is setting market dynamics more, I suppose. Is it position, or is it the new cap environment (or some of both?).

Turner is considerably more valuable than Kessler. I had Poeltl's extension as a bit steep, but justifiable based on his skill set. If another team offers Kessler $30M per, I wouldn't match. It makes roster construction too difficult.

jayu70 · Post #15 » by **jayu70** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:47 pm

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HornetJail · Post #16 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:56 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:He reminds me an awful lot of Amen, who most of our fan base is penciling in for a max contract.

basketball media as a whole seems to be penciling in Amen as a future offensive star, and that's probably where a lot of the "max contract" talk might be coming from.

I don't see it, but good for him if he does

This Daniels contract is probably what Amen's contract looks like if he doesn't improve much

Post #17 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:27 pm

I think this is great for Atlanta. He’s a perfect fit with Trae.

IMO he’s a more impactful player than Braun who just got the same AAV on one more year.

jayjaysee · Post #18 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:46 pm

Yeah, I expect a P.O. on this.

I love this for Atlanta. I think this ages better than any of those other extensions announced today.

Good for Dyson to get life changing money, but I think he will outplay this pretty easily.. Atlanta has set themselves up with an affordable and great fitting core around Trae. And are likely getting a nice lottery pick next year.

ThatBoyNick · Post #19 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:13 pm

HornetJail wrote:
ThatBoyNick wrote:He reminds me an awful lot of Amen, who most of our fan base is penciling in for a max contract.

basketball media as a whole seems to be penciling in Amen as a future offensive star, and that's probably where a lot of the "max contract" talk might be coming from.

I don't see it, but good for him if he does

This Daniels contract is probably what Amen's contract looks like if he doesn't improve much

Some differences I can see from offensive numbers between the two, Amen averages double the free throw rate w/7% higher FT%, 6% higher TS%, 4% higher EFG

Dyson career OBPM -1.8
Amen career OBPM +0.8

Dyson career best OWS 1.3
Amen career best OWS 4.1

So there are hard numbers to point to that say Amen is operating at a higher level and upside offensively despite the PPG, AST and TO numbers being identical. That being said Amen has also been on a much better team which can skew numbers and success.

The two from my eye test look very similar offensively, with Dyson even having a better 3ball, but Amen seemingly has a better touch around the rim and more of an attacking mentality, which is supported by Amen having a higher FG% at the rim, higher % of his shots being at the rim, and a higher FTR.

Dez · Post #20 » by **Dez** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:19 pm

One_and_Done wrote:I'm not saying this is a bad contract per se, but I'd rather have Camara (even if they made the same). Dyson has become one of the more overrated guys in the league, just because he racks up steals. His man D is nothing special. In that sense he's a bit like Thybelle, except he can shoot ok.

This is a piss-take right?