Bulls projected to win 32.5 games

[League Circles]

I think the binary notion of a team "trying" vs "not trying" is very oversimplified. IMO, most teams are trying most of the time.

I agree that the players, when they hit the court, are not purposely "not trying". But the organization, through roster moves, player rotations, handling of injuries, handling of rest schedules for players, etc... are definitely, at times, not trying to win. We have all been watching basketball long enough that this is pretty evident.

All I'm saying is that it's often more complex than can be broken down into the binary of trying vs not trying. For example, if a playoff bound team rests a major player because they're afraid if they don't, that player is at greater risk to aggravate an injury and miss playoff games THAT SEASON, is that team trying to win or not by sitting the player? I would say they are trying, many would disagree with me.

Occasionally, a team tries to "win now" at all costs. Similarly, occasionally a team will try to "lose now" at almost all costs. I think the overwhelming majority of the time there is a lot more nuance than that, with the key point being that all teams are trying to win as much as they can, but different teams prioritize different upcoming seasons /games differently based on their current situation.

[Stratmaster]

I think the binary notion of a team "trying" vs "not trying" is very oversimplified. IMO, most teams are trying most of the time.

I agree that the players, when they hit the court, are not purposely "not trying". But the organization, through roster moves, player rotations, handling of injuries, handling of rest schedules for players, etc... are definitely, at times, not trying to win. We have all been watching basketball long enough that this is pretty evident.

All I'm saying is that it's often more complex than can be broken down into the binary of trying vs not trying. For example, if a playoff bound team rests a major player because they're afraid if they don't, that player is at greater risk to aggravate an injury and miss playoff games THAT SEASON, is that team trying to win or not by sitting the player? I would say they are trying, many would disagree with me.

Occasionally, a team tries to "win now" at all costs. Similarly, occasionally a team will try to "lose now" at almost all costs. I think the overwhelming majority of the time there is a lot more nuance than that, with the key point being that all teams are trying to win as much as they can, but different teams prioritize different upcoming seasons /games differently based on their current situation.

I understand, and I agree. It can tend to be oversimplified.

[MikeDC]

Perhaps Vegas has some good knowledge of the severity of Coby's injury?

[CROBulls]

Put your car on 38 wins. And thanks me later. Even better, put a mortage on house for playin in again Heat loss. And be next Bezos.

[Ice Man]

The last time that I agreed with the Bulls board that Vegas definitely, absolutely had pegged us too low, we ended up being under. But in fairness, we had a ton of injuries that season.

[Indomitable]

The last time that I agreed with the Bulls board that Vegas definitely, absolutely had pegged us too low, we ended up being under. But in fairness, we had a ton of injuries that season.

That under is looking better and better

[WindyCityBorn]

I feel pretty strong that we will be in the lottery again. But this time we head into the lottery looking for a possible final piece to make us a strong team. I expect Giddey, Buzelis and possibly White to have really good seasons, but our depth is just not there to be a playoff even the East being down a bit.

Maybe win 35 games and luck into a top 3 pick.

[eierluke]

Last season our record has been 39 - 43 (2nd half of the season even 21 - 20)

Advantage 1: We do have almost the same roster as last year, so players should be relativ common with each other.
Advantage 2: Except Vuc most of our players are relatively young and you can expect young players to improve.

I don't understand the 32.5 win logic, why should we get worse?

[The Box Office]

No playoffs. Lottery. This is still a weak roster to expect anything more.

[One_and_Done]

I feel pretty strong that we will be in the lottery again. But this time we head into the lottery looking for a possible final piece to make us a strong team. I expect Giddey, Buzelis and possibly White to have really good seasons, but our depth is just not there to be a playoff even the East being down a bit.

Maybe win 35 games and luck into a top 3 pick.

Pretty sure the Bulls need more than just one piece.

[Jcool0]

I feel pretty strong that we will be in the lottery again. But this time we head into the lottery looking for a possible final piece to make us a strong team. I expect Giddey, Buzelis and possibly White to have really good seasons, but our depth is just not there to be a playoff even the East being down a bit.

Maybe win 35 games and luck into a top 3 pick.

Pretty sure the Bulls need more than just one piece.

What if that piece is Darryn Peterson?

[Ice Man]

What if that piece is Darryn Peterson?

Only if he's better than Jordan, because the current Bulls team + Prime Mike doesn't win a title.

[MrSparkle]

Last season our record has been 39 - 43 (2nd half of the season even 21 - 20)

Advantage 1: We do have almost the same roster as last year, so players should be relativ common with each other.
Advantage 2: Except Vuc most of our players are relatively young and you can expect young players to improve.

I don't understand the 32.5 win logic, why should we get worse?

Coby has yet to string together a complete season. I think Huerter and Collins had a honey-moon hot-streak. Vuc was shooting way above his career percentages.

Lot of things can go wrong. Coby and Collins injuries, for a start.

There’s also generally an inverse relationship when young players over-perform: the team record suffers. I expect Matas to shoulder more than he should (on a vet team)… which would be a win-win in my book (his improvement, better draft odds). Usually a sign the vets are crisping up. I’d probably prefer to see that over a year of Huerter, Vuc, Collins playing beyond their means.

Not sure where I stand on the prospect of Coby overachieving. It’d be great if this FO took advantage and sold high, but they seem committed to developing him… in year 7… in a contract year. Overpaying him would be another par-for-play-in course.

[Jcool0]

What if that piece is Darryn Peterson?

Only if he's better than Jordan, because the current Bulls team + Prime Mike doesn't win a title.

Lies.

[cruwinas]

32.5??? Feels like Knicks fans from MJ era showed some "love". Jeez, based on WHAT??? Bulls young guys got older and better, only natural would be to expect this season's record to be more or less like last years. Coach wants to win, guys want to win. Guys not only want to win, but they have pride in their game, in their team, in the organization they represent. Talent is obvious, result will come

[NZB2323]

Only 32 more wins to hit this over.

[DuallyNoted]

i'm assuming we're going to win 33.5 games now but i'm not one of those math retards

[Seccci]

I want to start by saying that these odds usually are close to reality but screw it. Also pistons in a lot of games last year where shooting unconscious from 3, than can turn to go average in a hurry, plus Tatum and haliburton and embiid are not playing or severely limited, their teams won't be juggernauts they were in past.
I say we go on last year's piston run and get 46 wins and 2nd round 4-1 exit while huffing copium.
Im hoping for a baby bulls sort of run from the mid 2000's.

[jordanwilliams6]

I feel like this team is going to go 0.500. They are remarkably deep (even tonight missing 2 of the 5 most impactful players). That alone will win a bunch of games.

The teams future will be directly tied to the evolution of Matas & Giddey. If Matas can become a regular all star level player and Giddey a lower tier star then we might be attractive enough for a superstar to want to jump on board.

[coldfish]

I was really thinking about putting $1000 on the over. This is easy money.