Westbrook became upset with LeBron being a fake person

[Texas Chuck]

you guys find the most pathetic stuff to hate on Lebron for.

But I'm certain Jordan is well aware of your fine work, and your personalized signed shoes are headed your way.....

When your big criticisms are taco Tuesday, he doesn't have Godfather memorized, and The Decision, you know you got absolutely nothing. For a guy who has been the face of the league for 2 decades.

What does Jordan have to do with this thread?

If you look at the posts of those who make these threads and comment negatively on Lebron and those who post Jordan is the unquestioned GOAT, the Venn Diagram is basically one circle.

So you have to parse the "Criticism" through that lens. But what would be somehow even worse is those who will come post in response they don't even like Mike. Then you are hating on a guy for... checks notes...not memorizing some movies made before he was born. And not feeling the need to go well actually I'm not sure if I've even seen those, but simply trying to move yet another interview along.

Like really? This is what we are worried about? Nah. I don't believe anyone actually cares. Its just an excuse to hate on a guy they don't like because of how good he was.

[bonita_the_frog]

But a lot of players are hated without being as good as LeBron-
Gobert
Westbrook
Durant (my favorite player of all-time)
Draymond
Harden
Embiid
Simmons
And none of them receive anywhere near the fanfare or media praise that LeBron receives.

[og15]

Not a single quote from Westbrook directly to or about LeBron. Just a bunch of innuendo, speculation, and gossip. In today's times, it's never been easier to be a "journalist."

I was also very curious as to the sources here.

I'm not even saying Lebron isn't a fake person, though I don't care since I'm not trying to be his friend, but is this just speculation and conjecture or is this real? That's also an important question, even if I don't actually care either way in that it doesn't affect any evaluation of either player or anything important.

But a lot of players are hated without being as good as LeBron-
Gobert
Westbrook
Durant (my favorite player of all-time)
Draymond
Harden
And none of them receive anywhere near the fanfare or media praise that LeBron receives.

Well yea, they don't receive the fanfare and media praise because they aren't as good as Lebron, just like you said.

There are lots of reasons people hate, most of them are nonsensical. As long as people can't distinguish sports hating for fun from taking it too far, and also be self aware to know they are haters, not some neutral observer giving a neutral evaluation, cool, do you. I personally don't have the bandwidth or energy to spend on that, but some do, have fun.

[ImmortalD24]

The guy who's behind this "alleged" Russ claim just so happens to be peddling his book also

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Usual suspects capitalizing on black folks and fanning the flames per usual. I’m hardly a LeBron fan but I do not trust this source whatsoever. I’ll wait on more credible sources to validate or co-sign ie Skip, Stephen A etc. This dude is a nobody.

[Broadcaster]

you guys find the most pathetic stuff to hate on Lebron for.

But I'm certain Jordan is well aware of your fine work, and your personalized signed shoes are headed your way.....

When your big criticisms are taco Tuesday, he doesn't have Godfather memorized, and The Decision, you know you got absolutely nothing. For a guy who has been the face of the league for 2 decades.

I think the underlying idea that he’s a self-serving person who is that insecure is actually note worthy. I don’t think hate is the thing it deserves but if you’re the dude with “Chosen One” tattooed on his back, who visually puts a crown on his head, but you’re too insecure to admit you don’t know a movie…that says something. Something truly great doesn’t play that **** and isn’t that weak minded.

Okay Dr. Jung lol.

I would say those who truly believe Mike to be the GOAT wouldn't be so insecure as to need to hunt for things like this to criticize Lebron for, but the issue there is even they know deep down Lebron had the superior career. But they want so badly for the opposite to be true, they resort to silliness.

I've never understand why its so hard to give someone his due? Like I'm a huge Dirk homer. And Tim Duncan got in his way a lot. But its not hard for me to simply acknowledge the obvious truth that Timmy was better. And here's the amazing thing--Duncan being great doesn't make Dirk any less great.

For some reason some folks find it all zero sum. So if Lebron is great it somehow harms their hero. But it doesn't. Mike's incredible career is no less incredible just because Lebron came along.

Hope when he's gone you guys appreciate this guy. For his play and for the utter lack of any negatives worth mentioning for the team athlete with infinitely more scrutiny than any other North American athlete ever. And by a huge margin.

He served the league well.

Hell yeah he did. I’m not here to join the Mike vs LeBron party as I respect both and appreciate both for what they brought to basketball. My comment wasn’t even inferring Mike directly; I just meant generally. That small minded stuff is a detractor. The Decision, the managing of teams…all of it reeks of a person who needs control because they’re incredibly worried about what others think of them. I can’t say I blame him; having the idea world watching you from high school onward would be hard. I do only have respect for him and do feel like we’re grateful to have witnessed so many years of a great.

Now, I don’t mean to derail everything I just said by saying this but…I don’t think you can say LeBron had a better career. Mike had a better career. Unquestionably. No one has compared to that level of sheer dominance.

[Texas Chuck]

Now, I don’t mean to derail everything I just said by saying this but…I don’t think you can say LeBron had a better career. Mike had a better career. Unquestionably. No one has compared to that level of sheer dominance.

Yeah I shouldn't add to it, but if we are talking simply about in-era dominance both Mikan and Russell exceed Mike. Now a case can be made that Mikan played in too different a league to compare him to Mike, but Russell's career bumps into Kareem's. And his defensive impact exceeds Mike's total impact. Again, speaking simply in-era and ignoring longevity(which we have to do with both he and Mike in a comparison with Lebron because he's not just putting up empty longevity, he's got more all-NBA level seasons than either of the other guys have total seasons.)

The case for Mike boils down to thinking scoring is the most important thing and of course 6-0. But I'd have Lebron going to the Finals for a decade straight with far weaker teams as more impressive than Mike winning 6 titles with a roster that won 55 games without him and was a bad call from at least an ECF appearance.

But this is a major digression. The point is whomever one believes is GOAT(and we can't ignore Kareem or Duncan in these conversations), the petty little criticisms to prop up a different guy is so silly and pointless (I am aware you are not engaging in such).

But its hard for me to see a case for anyone against Lebron save perhaps Russell. Peak play? Nobody leaves Lebron behind. Longevity? Nobody matches him, not even Kareem or Mailman long the gold standards. Team success? Check. Individual brilliance? Check. Statistical production? He's putting records maybe forever out of reach in a lot of categories.

The only "knock" on Lebron is that with some undermanned Cavs teams he couldn't beat the most stacked dynasty of all-time. Because without that, he has as many titles as Mike only with a bunch more Finals appearances on top of it. Oh yeah and he beat that team as well...So Mike's main argument falls flat.

[SkyHook]

Now, I don’t mean to derail everything I just said by saying this but…I don’t think you can say LeBron had a better career. Mike had a better career. Unquestionably. No one has compared to that level of sheer dominance.

Yeah I shouldn't add to it, but if we are talking simply about in-era dominance both Mikan and Russell exceed Mike. Now a case can be made that Mikan played in too different a league to compare him to Mike, but Russell's career bumps into Kareem's. And his defensive impact exceeds Mike's total impact. Again, speaking simply in-era and ignoring longevity(which we have to do with both he and Mike in a comparison with Lebron because he's not just putting up empty longevity, he's got more all-NBA level seasons than either of the other guys have total seasons.)

The case for Mike boils down to thinking scoring is the most important thing and of course 6-0. But I'd have Lebron going to the Finals for a decade straight with far weaker teams as more impressive than Mike winning 6 titles with a roster that won 55 games without him and was a bad call from at least an ECF appearance.

But this is a major digression. The point is whomever one believes is GOAT(and we can't ignore Kareem or Duncan in these conversations), the petty little criticisms to prop up a different guy is so silly and pointless (I am aware you are not engaging in such).

But its hard for me to see a case for anyone against Lebron save perhaps Russell. Peak play? Nobody leaves Lebron behind. Longevity? Nobody matches him, not even Kareem or Mailman long the gold standards. Team success? Check. Individual brilliance? Check. Statistical production? He's putting records maybe forever out of reach in a lot of categories.

The only "knock" on Lebron is that with some undermanned Cavs teams he couldn't beat the most stacked dynasty of all-time. Because without that, he has as many titles as Mike only with a bunch more Finals appearances on top of it. Oh yeah and he beat that team as well...So Mike's main argument falls flat.

This is well reasoned and backs up my preference for GOTE (greatest of their era) over GOAT which, ultimately, is in the eye of the beholder. There are a handful of guys that can be claimed to be the GOAT that I have no problem with. Personally I've got Lebron as second all time in the GOAT discussion, just ahead of Jordan.

[Broadcaster]

Now, I don’t mean to derail everything I just said by saying this but…I don’t think you can say LeBron had a better career. Mike had a better career. Unquestionably. No one has compared to that level of sheer dominance.

Yeah I shouldn't add to it, but if we are talking simply about in-era dominance both Mikan and Russell exceed Mike. Now a case can be made that Mikan played in too different a league to compare him to Mike, but Russell's career bumps into Kareem's. And his defensive impact exceeds Mike's total impact. Again, speaking simply in-era and ignoring longevity(which we have to do with both he and Mike in a comparison with Lebron because he's not just putting up empty longevity, he's got more all-NBA level seasons than either of the other guys have total seasons.)

The case for Mike boils down to thinking scoring is the most important thing and of course 6-0. But I'd have Lebron going to the Finals for a decade straight with far weaker teams as more impressive than Mike winning 6 titles with a roster that won 55 games without him and was a bad call from at least an ECF appearance.

But this is a major digression. The point is whomever one believes is GOAT(and we can't ignore Kareem or Duncan in these conversations), the petty little criticisms to prop up a different guy is so silly and pointless (I am aware you are not engaging in such).

But its hard for me to see a case for anyone against Lebron save perhaps Russell. Peak play? Nobody leaves Lebron behind. Longevity? Nobody matches him, not even Kareem or Mailman long the gold standards. Team success? Check. Individual brilliance? Check. Statistical production? He's putting records maybe forever out of reach in a lot of categories.

The only "knock" on Lebron is that with some undermanned Cavs teams he couldn't beat the most stacked dynasty of all-time. Because without that, he has as many titles as Mike only with a bunch more Finals appearances on top of it. Oh yeah and he beat that team as well...So Mike's main argument falls flat.

Ah. So you’re a hater. It’s pretty clear you just can’t give Mike his due (only comes down to scoring..? C’mon..). Pretty rich considering your stance on LeBron. Michael stood head and shoulders above everyone else by a wide margin. No one can compare to that level of greatness. If you can’t see it you’re only robbing yourself.

Again, for clarity, I have no horse in any race. I’m not here trying to make a point about LeBron or who’s the greatest and I really couldn’t care if I stand alone in my opinion. Hell, I live in Toronto. As an impartial observer Mike is clearly the king.

[Broadcaster]

Now, I don’t mean to derail everything I just said by saying this but…I don’t think you can say LeBron had a better career. Mike had a better career. Unquestionably. No one has compared to that level of sheer dominance.

Yeah I shouldn't add to it, but if we are talking simply about in-era dominance both Mikan and Russell exceed Mike. Now a case can be made that Mikan played in too different a league to compare him to Mike, but Russell's career bumps into Kareem's. And his defensive impact exceeds Mike's total impact. Again, speaking simply in-era and ignoring longevity(which we have to do with both he and Mike in a comparison with Lebron because he's not just putting up empty longevity, he's got more all-NBA level seasons than either of the other guys have total seasons.)

The case for Mike boils down to thinking scoring is the most important thing and of course 6-0. But I'd have Lebron going to the Finals for a decade straight with far weaker teams as more impressive than Mike winning 6 titles with a roster that won 55 games without him and was a bad call from at least an ECF appearance.

But this is a major digression. The point is whomever one believes is GOAT(and we can't ignore Kareem or Duncan in these conversations), the petty little criticisms to prop up a different guy is so silly and pointless (I am aware you are not engaging in such).

But its hard for me to see a case for anyone against Lebron save perhaps Russell. Peak play? Nobody leaves Lebron behind. Longevity? Nobody matches him, not even Kareem or Mailman long the gold standards. Team success? Check. Individual brilliance? Check. Statistical production? He's putting records maybe forever out of reach in a lot of categories.

The only "knock" on Lebron is that with some undermanned Cavs teams he couldn't beat the most stacked dynasty of all-time. Because without that, he has as many titles as Mike only with a bunch more Finals appearances on top of it. Oh yeah and he beat that team as well...So Mike's main argument falls flat.

This is well reasoned and backs up my preference for GOTE (greatest of their era) over GOAT which, ultimately, is in the eye of the beholder. There are a handful of guys that can be claimed to be the GOAT that I have no problem with. Personally I've got Lebron as second all time in the GOAT discussion, just ahead of Jordan.

Jordan being great really bothers people, eh?

[Texas Chuck]

Ah. So you’re a hater. It’s pretty clear you just can’t give Mike his due (only comes down to scoring..? C’mon..). Pretty rich considering your stance on LeBron. Michael stood head and shoulders above everyone else by a wide margin. No one can compare to that level of greatness. If you can’t see it you’re only robbing yourself.

Again, for clarity, I have no horse in any race. I’m not here trying to make a point about LeBron or who’s the greatest and I really couldn’t care if I stand alone in my opinion. Hell, I live in Toronto. As an impartial observer Mike is clearly the king.

Hater.

Tell me what Mike does better than Lebron besides scoring? Its not playmaking. Its not rebounding. Its not defense. Its not being a good teammate. Its not durability or longevity.

How is hating Mike to say he's the 3rd best player of all-time? Being behind Lebron and Russell equals hate. This is the problem though. People are so used to Mike being their GOAT, anybody who dares question that narrative must be a hater because Mike is the best because well he is the best....

[SkyHook]

Yeah I shouldn't add to it, but if we are talking simply about in-era dominance both Mikan and Russell exceed Mike. Now a case can be made that Mikan played in too different a league to compare him to Mike, but Russell's career bumps into Kareem's. And his defensive impact exceeds Mike's total impact. Again, speaking simply in-era and ignoring longevity(which we have to do with both he and Mike in a comparison with Lebron because he's not just putting up empty longevity, he's got more all-NBA level seasons than either of the other guys have total seasons.)

The case for Mike boils down to thinking scoring is the most important thing and of course 6-0. But I'd have Lebron going to the Finals for a decade straight with far weaker teams as more impressive than Mike winning 6 titles with a roster that won 55 games without him and was a bad call from at least an ECF appearance.

But this is a major digression. The point is whomever one believes is GOAT(and we can't ignore Kareem or Duncan in these conversations), the petty little criticisms to prop up a different guy is so silly and pointless (I am aware you are not engaging in such).

But its hard for me to see a case for anyone against Lebron save perhaps Russell. Peak play? Nobody leaves Lebron behind. Longevity? Nobody matches him, not even Kareem or Mailman long the gold standards. Team success? Check. Individual brilliance? Check. Statistical production? He's putting records maybe forever out of reach in a lot of categories.

The only "knock" on Lebron is that with some undermanned Cavs teams he couldn't beat the most stacked dynasty of all-time. Because without that, he has as many titles as Mike only with a bunch more Finals appearances on top of it. Oh yeah and he beat that team as well...So Mike's main argument falls flat.

This is well reasoned and backs up my preference for GOTE (greatest of their era) over GOAT which, ultimately, is in the eye of the beholder. There are a handful of guys that can be claimed to be the GOAT that I have no problem with. Personally I've got Lebron as second all time in the GOAT discussion, just ahead of Jordan.

Jordan being great really bothers people, eh?

Clearly you have a reading comprehension problem.

[NO-KG-AI]

you guys find the most pathetic stuff to hate on Lebron for.

But I'm certain Jordan is well aware of your fine work, and your personalized signed shoes are headed your way.....

When your big criticisms are taco Tuesday, he doesn't have Godfather memorized, and The Decision, you know you got absolutely nothing. For a guy who has been the face of the league for 2 decades.

What does Jordan have to do with this thread?

If you look at the posts of those who make these threads and comment negatively on Lebron and those who post Jordan is the unquestioned GOAT, the Venn Diagram is basically one circle.

So you have to parse the "Criticism" through that lens. But what would be somehow even worse is those who will come post in response they don't even like Mike. Then you are hating on a guy for... checks notes...not memorizing some movies made before he was born. And not feeling the need to go well actually I'm not sure if I've even seen those, but simply trying to move yet another interview along.

Like really? This is what we are worried about? Nah. I don't believe anyone actually cares. Its just an excuse to hate on a guy they don't like because of how good he was.

Come on man, you’re giving a whole monologue on the absurdity of Jordan fans, when nobody mentioned Jordan, like RealGM wasn’t just overrun with an entire plot and conspiracy to corrupt the entire PC board and projects to purposely downgrade Jordan and try to change the entire narrative on him out of pure hatred and jealousy of the reverence for him.

Not every fan falls under the crazy umbrella, but that one is gonna have to simmer for a while, or something more immature or absurd is going to have to come from the other side before the Jordan fans have to hold the title as the most irrational and dedicated

[NZB2323]

you guys find the most pathetic stuff to hate on Lebron for.

But I'm certain Jordan is well aware of your fine work, and your personalized signed shoes are headed your way.....

When your big criticisms are taco Tuesday, he doesn't have Godfather memorized, and The Decision, you know you got absolutely nothing. For a guy who has been the face of the league for 2 decades.

What does Jordan have to do with this thread?

If you look at the posts of those who make these threads and comment negatively on Lebron and those who post Jordan is the unquestioned GOAT, the Venn Diagram is basically one circle.

So you have to parse the "Criticism" through that lens. But what would be somehow even worse is those who will come post in response they don't even like Mike. Then you are hating on a guy for... checks notes...not memorizing some movies made before he was born. And not feeling the need to go well actually I'm not sure if I've even seen those, but simply trying to move yet another interview along.

Like really? This is what we are worried about? Nah. I don't believe anyone actually cares. Its just an excuse to hate on a guy they don't like because of how good he was.

This thread has nothing to do with Jordan. You were the first poster in this topic to bring up Jordan. Not every topic needs to turn into a Jordan vs. LeBron debate. We have a GOAT topic for that.

[Kingdibs19]

One guy who doesn’t care what anybody thinks of him, the other guy who employs an entire payroll of media to defend his honor. It’s not surprising at all that they didn’t get along.

lol yah Westbrook known for not caring what anyone thinks of him, the thickest skinned nba player there is

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[Big_Aristotle]

Also LeBron pretends to be father while pushing his son into the NBA just after a cardiac arrest in July 2023... No father would do that!
Especially when Bronny was already struggling like crazy in college, .366 field, .267 threes, 4.8 points per game.

Are you a father? Based on that comment I believe you're not.

If my son has had health issues, is medically cleared and his dreams and aspirations are to play basketball at the highest level, I'll try to help him as much as I can. Every father would do that

No caring father would watch their son fail in college and think the NBA is a good idea.
Helping his son would be sending him back to college or into a foreign league to gain experience.

And during that time they would assess whether their son is good enough for the NBA, or whether their son will be ridiculed for nepotism forever.
Austin Rivers proved himself in college (!5.5ppg) before entering the NBA, that is not the case with Bronny.

And it makes even less sense just after a cardiac arrest, when there as no logical reason to rush Bronny into the NBA, since his father clearly was not retiring last season... because that's what this is really about, LeBron wanting Bronny in the NBA for LeBron.

Are you a father? How old are you?

[The Laker Kid]

You guys assume that everyone watches movies. I have never seen any of the Godfather movie and don't plan to. I have zero interest in watching any movie or anything that takes hours away from my life. Maybe Lebron's the same.

[52-12-7]

you guys find the most pathetic stuff to hate on Lebron for.

But I'm certain Jordan is well aware of your fine work, and your personalized signed shoes are headed your way.....

When your big criticisms are taco Tuesday, he doesn't have Godfather memorized, and The Decision, you know you got absolutely nothing. For a guy who has been the face of the league for 2 decades.

I think the underlying idea that he’s a self-serving person who is that insecure is actually note worthy. I don’t think hate is the thing it deserves but if you’re the dude with “Chosen One” tattooed on his back, who visually puts a crown on his head, but you’re too insecure to admit you don’t know a movie…that says something. Something truly great doesn’t play that **** and isn’t that weak minded.

Okay Dr. Jung lol.

I would say those who truly believe Mike to be the GOAT wouldn't be so insecure as to need to hunt for things like this to criticize Lebron for, but the issue there is even they know deep down Lebron had the superior career. But they want so badly for the opposite to be true, they resort to silliness.

I've never understand why its so hard to give someone his due? Like I'm a huge Dirk homer. And Tim Duncan got in his way a lot. But its not hard for me to simply acknowledge the obvious truth that Timmy was better. And here's the amazing thing--Duncan being great doesn't make Dirk any less great.

For some reason some folks find it all zero sum. So if Lebron is great it somehow harms their hero. But it doesn't. Mike's incredible career is no less incredible just because Lebron came along.

Hope when he's gone you guys appreciate this guy. For his play and for the utter lack of any negatives worth mentioning for the team athlete with infinitely more scrutiny than any other North American athlete ever. And by a huge margin.

He served the league well.

This is such a silly take. So everyone who hates lebron is a Jordan fan? Lebron got boo'ed at the superbowl, so I guess all of the fans at the stadium were Jordan fans? Let's face it, lebron isn't as beloved as you want him to be whether you like it or not and that's a fact.

Nah, it's the other way around. You lebron fans are so sensitive these days because they know your king's time is up and he has fallen short of dethroning MJ in the eyes of majority and that's eating you guys up. Your post certainly proved it.

[Texas Chuck]

This is such a silly take. So everyone who hates lebron is a Jordan fan? Lebron got boo'ed at the superbowl, so I guess all of the fans at the stadium were Jordan fans? Let's face it, lebron isn't as beloved as you want him to be whether you like it or not and that's a fact.

Nah, it's the other way around. You lebron fans are so sensitive these days because they know your king's time is up and he has fallen short of dethroning MJ in the eyes of majority and that's eating you guys up. Your post certainly proved it.

no not everyone who hates Lebron is a Jordan fan. But when you hate him for stuff like the OP, you are either a Jordan fan believing it to be zero sum, and sadly there are a bunch of those here, or you are hating on him for the pettiest of reasons which isn't really better.

I'm not a Lebron fan. Never have been. But I can give a man his due. Just as I cited Timmy above. Definitely not a fan of any Spur especially not that one, but he was a great player. Hell, I'm one of the few posters who gives Wade his due for the 06 Finals instead of complaining about the refs. The Heat won that title because Wade ripped it away, not because of the refs. And believe me I have zero love lost for Wade.

But its easy to acknowledge greatness when its due, even if I don't root for a guy. Goodness isn't based on what I want. Otherwise JJ Barea and Dwight Powell would be HoFers.

[BodieB]

You guys assume that everyone watches movies. I have never seen any of the Godfather movie and don't plan to. I have zero interest in watching any movie or anything that takes hours away from my life. Maybe Lebron's the same.

So why do you post here again?

[Airmiess]

Theres a green light on lebron