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ciueli wrote:Potential wrote:Spoiler:
I absolutely believe the Celtics are planning a stealth tank season, it's too valuable for them to be a lottery team given they will be too good to get a high draft pick once Tatum returns.
PushDaRock wrote:This new CBA is doing a number on these rookie extensions and RFA contracts. A bit of bad luck on our part that we had Scottie and IQ be up for those a year early.
*INGRAM*ALLSTARSEASON* Wemby is HIM
causal_fan wrote:PushDaRock wrote:This new CBA is doing a number on these rookie extensions and RFA contracts. A bit of bad luck on our part that we had Scottie and IQ be up for those a year early.
No, you are giving the FO a free pass - I blame the FO for poor negotiation skills and it will haunt the franchise going forward.
*INGRAM*ALLSTARSEASON* Wemby is HIMPhilBlackson wrote:Right now it looks like Cade, Sengun & Mobley are the best players from the draft class....Scottie has to show more to prove he belongs back in the convo with them.
I'm not saying that as hate, it's just true that Cade & Sengun have made the leap offensively and Evan obv won a dpoy & will likely remain one of the actual best defenders in the league. Scottie is gonna need to really show something this season to be put back in the convo...and tbh he needs to show that he's even still ahead of Franz, Murphy and Johnson. Turning out to be a really good draft class!!
MainEvent wrote:regular season OT should just be first to 13, 15 or whatever
TakeYourHeart wrote:Sengun looks like he's taken the leap™
PushDaRock wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:Right now it looks like Cade, Sengun & Mobley are the best players from the draft class....Scottie has to show more to prove he belongs back in the convo with them.
I'm not saying that as hate, it's just true that Cade & Sengun have made the leap offensively and Evan obv won a dpoy & will likely remain one of the actual best defenders in the league. Scottie is gonna need to really show something this season to be put back in the convo...and tbh he needs to show that he's even still ahead of Franz, Murphy and Johnson. Turning out to be a really good draft class!!
Franz is ahead for sure. Murphy and Johnson are on much better value contracts and could turn out better as well.
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:PushDaRock wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:Right now it looks like Cade, Sengun & Mobley are the best players from the draft class....Scottie has to show more to prove he belongs back in the convo with them.
I'm not saying that as hate, it's just true that Cade & Sengun have made the leap offensively and Evan obv won a dpoy & will likely remain one of the actual best defenders in the league. Scottie is gonna need to really show something this season to be put back in the convo...and tbh he needs to show that he's even still ahead of Franz, Murphy and Johnson. Turning out to be a really good draft class!!
Franz is ahead for sure. Murphy and Johnson are on much better value contracts and could turn out better as well.
Franz is not ahead lol. Worse defender, not great offensively given his reputation (shot worse from 3 than RJ last season with less makes and similar attempts per game). Scottie will not have a 52TS% again
Franz and Amen are the 2 most overrated guys in the league imo
PushDaRock wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
Franz is ahead for sure. Murphy and Johnson are on much better value contracts and could turn out better as well.
Franz is not ahead lol. Worse defender, not great offensively given his reputation (shot worse from 3 than RJ last season with less makes and similar attempts per game). Scottie will not have a 52TS% again
Franz and Amen are the 2 most overrated guys in the league imo
There is nothing that really supports Scottie being better. Franz was chucking up bricks from 3 and still put up 24 a game on 56 TS%. If he fixes his outside jumper, the ceiling rises significantly. Franz has gotten better every year across the board outside of his shooting. The advance stats also have Franz as close to a top 10 player in the league by EPM and way ahead of Scottie. His on/off 100 stats in his career have been very impressive at a +9.3, his teams have been significantly better with him on the court than off it.
Is Scottie a better defender? Franz ranked 11th in Defensive EPM. Scottie was 13th in Defensive EPM. It's closer than people probably think.
HangTime wrote:MainEvent wrote:regular season OT should just be first to 13, 15 or whatever
Why?
PushDaRock wrote:
There is nothing that really supports Scottie being better. Franz was chucking up bricks from 3 and still put up 24 a game on 56 TS%. If he fixes his outside jumper, the ceiling rises significantly. Franz has gotten better every year across the board outside of his shooting. The advance stats also have Franz as close to a top 10 player in the league by EPM and way ahead of Scottie. His on/off 100 stats in his career have been very impressive at a +9.3, his teams have been significantly better with him on the court than off it.
Is Scottie a better defender? Franz ranked 11th in Defensive EPM. Scottie was 13th in Defensive EPM. It's closer than people probably think.
bballsparkin wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
There is nothing that really supports Scottie being better. Franz was chucking up bricks from 3 and still put up 24 a game on 56 TS%. If he fixes his outside jumper, the ceiling rises significantly. Franz has gotten better every year across the board outside of his shooting. The advance stats also have Franz as close to a top 10 player in the league by EPM and way ahead of Scottie. His on/off 100 stats in his career have been very impressive at a +9.3, his teams have been significantly better with him on the court than off it.
Is Scottie a better defender? Franz ranked 11th in Defensive EPM. Scottie was 13th in Defensive EPM. It's closer than people probably think.
Woah, close to a top 10 player in EPM. That's D. White territory. Franz must be a superstar.
Pointgod wrote:PushDaRock wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
Franz is not ahead lol. Worse defender, not great offensively given his reputation (shot worse from 3 than RJ last season with less makes and similar attempts per game). Scottie will not have a 52TS% again
Franz and Amen are the 2 most overrated guys in the league imo
There is nothing that really supports Scottie being better. Franz was chucking up bricks from 3 and still put up 24 a game on 56 TS%. If he fixes his outside jumper, the ceiling rises significantly. Franz has gotten better every year across the board outside of his shooting. The advance stats also have Franz as close to a top 10 player in the league by EPM and way ahead of Scottie. His on/off 100 stats in his career have been very impressive at a +9.3, his teams have been significantly better with him on the court than off it.
Is Scottie a better defender? Franz ranked 11th in Defensive EPM. Scottie was 13th in Defensive EPM. It's closer than people probably think.
I’d think Franz and Scottie are the same tier of player. Neither are a first option on offence but Franz could develop into a second offensive option while it still remains to be seen whether Scottie is suited to more of a third option in offence. I agree with you defensively it’s probably closer than most people think but I’d give the edge to Barnes for his all around defence.
