Ayton: Post Suns Haters

sunsbum · Post #721 » by **sunsbum** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:31 am

Saw this on reddit. Man it was a lot worse than I even thought. Ain’t no one like DA.

Post #722 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:43 am

sunsbum wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Saw this on reddit. Man it was a lot worse than I even thought. Ain’t no one like DA.

While none of this is news to Suns fans (maybe to some blind ones), it is really cool to have it all in one nicely packaged video.

Post #723 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 8:03 pm

Crazy people still keep this thread alive. He will be better offensively with great lob guys. I still laugh at the people who claimed he would be DPOY lol. Portland did not have the right players around him. They had little 3 pt shooting so floor wasn't spread and Grant has super tunnel vision. The one guy that really gelled with him was that rookie PG..the one taken after Wemby....I think him. Anyway a high drafted PG who was like a rookie had the best chemistry. Playing with Luka and LeBron will be a little easier for him, especially if they can spread the floor.

Post #724 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 8:08 pm

sunsbum wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Saw this on reddit. Man it was a lot worse than I even thought. Ain’t no one like DA.

Ayton will probably say it's similar to the beef between Kobe and Shaq after Shaq went to Miami.

Post #725 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:21 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Crazy people still keep this thread alive. He will be better offensively with great lob guys. I still laugh at the people who claimed he would be DPOY lol. Portland did not have the right players around him. They had little 3 pt shooting so floor wasn't spread and Grant has super tunnel vision. The one guy that really gelled with him was that rookie PG..the one taken after Wemby....I think him. Anyway a high drafted PG who was like a rookie had the best chemistry. Playing with Luka and LeBron will be a little easier for him, especially if they can spread the floor.

I don't understand why people continue to give him outs at this point of his career. Excuses all the way through his Suns tenure and now he's been bought out by the Blazers, he didn't have the "right" guys around him there. Now he's landed in LA with two of the best lob passers the game has ever seen so now he can "finally" shine.

Post #726 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:46 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Crazy people still keep this thread alive. He will be better offensively with great lob guys. I still laugh at the people who claimed he would be DPOY lol. Portland did not have the right players around him. They had little 3 pt shooting so floor wasn't spread and Grant has super tunnel vision. The one guy that really gelled with him was that rookie PG..the one taken after Wemby....I think him. Anyway a high drafted PG who was like a rookie had the best chemistry. Playing with Luka and LeBron will be a little easier for him, especially if they can spread the floor.

I don't understand why people continue to give him outs at this point of his career. Excuses all the way through his Suns tenure and now he's been bought out by the Blazers, he didn't have the "right" guys around him there. Now he's landed in LA with two of the best lob passers the game has ever seen so now he can "finally" shine.

I don't expect him to "shine" but to have a lot easier time scoring than he did in Portland. He had a couple of great offensive seasons with the Suns, but he should get more easy baskets than ever.

8on · Post #727 » by **8on** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:09 am

He had all the potential in the world to be great, he just didn't have it between the ears or the ribs. I absolutely believe he could have been prime Dwight with a 3 point shot. I also thought Andrew Wiggins was Tracy McGrady 2.0. I gotta listen to interviews before I buy merch lol

sunsbum · Post #728 » by **sunsbum** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:34 am

bwgood77 wrote:Crazy people still keep this thread alive. He will be better offensively with great lob guys. I still laugh at the people who claimed he would be DPOY lol. Portland did not have the right players around him. They had little 3 pt shooting so floor wasn't spread and Grant has super tunnel vision. The one guy that really gelled with him was that rookie PG..the one taken after Wemby....I think him. Anyway a high drafted PG who was like a rookie had the best chemistry. Playing with Luka and LeBron will be a little easier for him, especially if they can spread the floor.

I thought it was interesting being that we saw all this go down but could only speculate as to what was said back and forth. It wasn’t really to mess on Ayton but I didn’t want to put it in the general thread in case it turned into a pile on.

sunsbg · Post #729 » by **sunsbg** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 6:30 am

After 10/6 in home opener when Lakers needed him with LeBron out, may close this thread as there is nothing to debate. Luka will not turn someone who doesn't care into 20/10 player. His teammates doesn't matter when he doesn't want it. Ayton had all the potential, was good in finals run, then got the money and the fears around that 2nd contract quote turned out to be justified.

Calvin Klein · Post #730 » by **Calvin Klein** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:34 am

8on wrote:He had all the potential in the world to be great, he just didn't have it between the ears or the ribs. I absolutely believe he could have been prime Dwight with a 3 point shot. I also thought Andrew Wiggins was Tracy McGrady 2.0. I gotta listen to interviews before I buy merch lol

And it was never more obvious from interviews as it was with Ayton. He said he was in it for the money. And he kept giving cringy interview after cringy interview.

Post #731 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 1:25 pm

sunsbg wrote:After 10/6 in home opener when Lakers needed him with LeBron out, may close this thread as there is nothing to debate. Luka will not turn someone who doesn't care into 20/10 player. His teammates doesn't matter when he doesn't want it. Ayton had all the potential, was good in finals run, then got the money and the fears around that 2nd contract quote turned out to be justified.

I don't think he needs to be a 20/10 player on a team with Luka on it, and LeBron. I don't even think he needs to have double digit rebounds with those guys both getting a lot of rebounds.

Like I mentioned, just a lob threat, and he will get some efficient pts, like last night at 71%+. The threat of anyone scoring at that % keeps someone on him, and it allows them to spread the floor. If they leave him, Luka/LeBron will often get it to him and make him pay.

But if he plays near 30 minutes I expect more like 12 and 7 on high efficiency, with decent defense. Better than whoever they had last year. Which is fine. They did well with an old Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee before getting Luka.

But yeah, I don't see any reason to keep this thread going. Everyone wanted him gone yet they keep talking about him.

handsome salary · Post #732 » by **handsome salary** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 2:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
But yeah, I don't see any reason to keep this thread going. Everyone wanted him gone yet they keep talking about him.

I'll be talking smack about the Suns only number draft pick in team history until they win a championship. Especially after suffering through numerous seasons of him going on and on about how he's finally put it together and has "arrived".

garrick · Post #733 » by **garrick** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
sunsbg wrote:After 10/6 in home opener when Lakers needed him with LeBron out, may close this thread as there is nothing to debate. Luka will not turn someone who doesn't care into 20/10 player. His teammates doesn't matter when he doesn't want it. Ayton had all the potential, was good in finals run, then got the money and the fears around that 2nd contract quote turned out to be justified.

I don't think he needs to be a 20/10 player on a team with Luka on it, and LeBron. I don't even think he needs to have double digit rebounds with those guys both getting a lot of rebounds.

Like I mentioned, just a lob threat, and he will get some efficient pts, like last night at 71%+. The threat of anyone scoring at that % keeps someone on him, and it allows them to spread the floor. If they leave him, Luka/LeBron will often get it to him and make him pay.

But if he plays near 30 minutes I expect more like 12 and 7 on high efficiency, with decent defense. Better than whoever they had last year. Which is fine. They did well with an old Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee before getting Luka.

But yeah, I don't see any reason to keep this thread going. Everyone wanted him gone yet they keep talking about him.

I only watched the first half but thought he played okay, definitely had some typical brain farts where he failed to cover the right man but he did do some stuff well and thought he allowed Luka to get a few open looks because they didn't want to allow open lobs to Ayton.

mkot · Post #734 » by **mkot** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 7:07 pm

He was so ass last night it's hilarious.

Caught the ball 7 feet from the basket and had to put the ball on the floor and committed an offensive foul. That was funny.

Few possessions down caught the ball again right under the basket with Lakers guards around him, had to pump fake twice before laying the ball in.

And he was constantly out of position to help, no defensive scheme will help improve his defense, dude is just too mistake prone.

sunsbum · Post #735 » by **sunsbum** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 7:11 pm

mkot wrote:He was so ass last night it's hilarious.

Caught the ball 7 feet from the basket and had to put the ball on the floor and committed an offensive foul. That was funny.

Few possessions down caught the ball again right under the basket with Lakers guards around him, had to pump fake twice before laying the ball in.

And he was constantly out of position to help, no defensive scheme will help improve his defense, dude is just too mistake prone.

ah the classic uncontested triple pump fake layup. smells like a new season is upon us boys.

bigfoot · Post #736 » by **bigfoot** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:02 pm

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-naDLk2s3mY

DA gonna wilt under the pressure

Post #737 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:44 pm

Seems every year, every team, expectations get lower and lower. If he's not grabbing a ton of rebounds then he's just a lob threat, in which case, you can get that for vet min money. They literally have a guy in Hayes, who's on a $3.5m one year contract, who does what DA is now expected to do. DA gave them 10/6/4 turnovers in about 34min. Hayes gave them 4/6/1 turnover in 14min. Even in the preseason, their per36 numbers are pretty damn similar. I know DA provides *some* intangibles that Hayes doesn't provide (FT%, playoff experience, low foul rate, more offensive versatility) but man, we're at the stage of DA's career, where we're comparing him to Jaxson Hayes.

Post #738 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:47 pm

bigfoot wrote:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-naDLk2s3mY

DA gonna wilt under the pressure

Dude's been cruising under the spotlight for the last few years in Portland but now that he's in LA, he's going to get a lot of attention from media/fans who quite frankly hasn't thought about him in years. I've mentioned before, the best environment for him is on a treadmilling/lotto team where he has zero pressure, zero expectation and not much media attention on his game.

DRK · Post #739 » by **DRK** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:50 pm

Just watching some of the Lakers game with curiosity to see how he went.

Watching him play reminds me of how I play basketball basketball when its the last play, no chance of winning and Im ready to hit the pub... except he looks as disinterested on every possession.

Compare Ayton's intensity to Maluach when it comes to finishing.... Maluach finishes plays with authority, Ayton actively avoids contact

8on · Post #740 » by **8on** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:38 am

Calvin Klein wrote:
8on wrote:He had all the potential in the world to be great, he just didn't have it between the ears or the ribs. I absolutely believe he could have been prime Dwight with a 3 point shot. I also thought Andrew Wiggins was Tracy McGrady 2.0. I gotta listen to interviews before I buy merch lol

And it was never more obvious from interviews as it was with Ayton. He said he was in it for the money. And he kept giving cringy interview after cringy interview.

None of them are in it for the basketball more than the money. I remember when he talked about getting the second contract before the draft. I was concerned, sure, but not overly concerned, because you get the money by hooping, in theory. He'd have to hoop to get the bag, and he did for a while.

It's a character thing, not a business thing. You can't really tell character unless it's someone like Book, or Dame; from what I remember, the Blazers knew right away. The rest of them, they're still kids. Any of them could fake a right answer. They might mature while they're in the league. I love that we once employed Josh Jackson and Deandre Ayton at the same time, that was a real hoot.

The real question for me around 2021 would've been if he was coachable. If Monty called him up and he took it on the chin and got better, then he's getting there. As we know that's not what happened. Problem with the NBA, among several, is these players all know the right answers, so they don't have to do anything genuinely or individually, they can just do whatever they need to do to get drafted and get a second contract.

I don't want to hear more boring press conferences. I want a genuine human being who can also hoop and improve. I don't know if you can guess around someone's right answers, I just know it's easier if you take the kid who gives the right answers than if you take the kid who doesn't, but it shouldn't really be disqualifying unless they can prove they're not about the work.

Thank God for Book. Don't have to worry about any of that with him