RS 25/26 - Mavs vs Spurs (Wednesday Oct 22, 7:30 EST)

[Teffer10]

We play a lot of home games at the start of RS, i can't believe we will under .500 after this stretch of games.
That's another Silver gift for the trade probably.

Nobody will trade good assets for street clothes, that's sure.

Like i said, put 5 players in their spot it's a start.
We are no way a contender like few of us said multiple times but not even a lottery team.

PG (Nembhard, DLo, B.Will)-Klay-Flagg-PJ-street clothes is the starting lineup. Easy.
No stupid experiments because it's not difficult go 2-12 in a couple of months.

I don't care if they extended Gaff big money. He has no room here.
I don't care if they want Lively to be starting big. Too limited and injury prone, without Luka he is just a guy.

The will not fire Harrison easily but the fans have to fight for it.

I would like to read Mr. B from Dallas bar sports, is it all ok? Are everybody still happy,right?

And i miss the "sky is falling" guy

Kyie's injury will probably save Nico this season.
Oddly enough, an AD injury would probably help save Nico as well.

[Teffer10]

Exactly, people always forget that those 10 rebounds Luka brings is not by chance.

I thought the team was becoming constructed similar as the 2011 team with two offensive catalysts (Dirk/JET - Luka/Kyrie) surrounded by decent depth, good size and solid defensive-oriented role players.

And it worked, they were in the Finals. And after the season they brought some good offensive players, Grimes/Naji/Klay because it was obvious they needed more offense and then February happened... watching Finals between Okc and Pacers was painful knowing Mavs with Luka and not injured Kyrie could easily won against both. What Nico did is unforgivable from every aspect.

Almost as if the frickin idiot got amnesia on what happened the following season being 3 wins from a championship.
I think most fans could get onboard with being a CERTAIN legit championship contender for the next 10+ years instead of risking it all in an attempt to get just a little better.
Nico bet the farm and if it wasn't obvious after last season, it should be now that he lost it all on one stupid decision.

[Bob8]

Offensive rtg after 1 game,

Mavs the worst with 91.1, second worst Hawks with 104.4. Mavs' big lineup 3rd worst defensive rtg.

Maybe the scariest thing about their offensive numbers is that they were shooting great 43% for 3.

[Bob8]

I thought the team was becoming constructed similar as the 2011 team with two offensive catalysts (Dirk/JET - Luka/Kyrie) surrounded by decent depth, good size and solid defensive-oriented role players.

And it worked, they were in the Finals. And after the season they brought some good offensive players, Grimes/Naji/Klay because it was obvious they needed more offense and then February happened... watching Finals between Okc and Pacers was painful knowing Mavs with Luka and not injured Kyrie could easily won against both. What Nico did is unforgivable from every aspect.

Almost as if the frickin idiot got amnesia on what happened the following season being 3 wins from a championship.
I think most fans could get onboard with being a CERTAIN legit championship contender for the next 10+ years instead of risking it all in an attempt to get just a little better.
Nico bet the farm and if it wasn't obvious after last season, it should be now that he lost it all on one stupid decision.

Attempt to be a little better would be getting Sga instead of Luka, getting AD was a suicidal from the beginning. You can't change top guard in a league, who's actually your whole offensive system, for a C, especially if you already have adequate bigs in your team.

[41Dirk41]

We play a lot of home games at the start of RS, i can't believe we will under .500 after this stretch of games.
That's another Silver gift for the trade probably.

Nobody will trade good assets for street clothes, that's sure.

Like i said, put 5 players in their spot it's a start.
We are no way a contender like few of us said multiple times but not even a lottery team.

PG (Nembhard, DLo, B.Will)-Klay-Flagg-PJ-street clothes is the starting lineup. Easy.
No stupid experiments because it's not difficult go 2-12 in a couple of months.

I don't care if they extended Gaff big money. He has no room here.
I don't care if they want Lively to be starting big. Too limited and injury prone, without Luka he is just a guy.

The will not fire Harrison easily but the fans have to fight for it.

I would like to read Mr. B from Dallas bar sports, is it all ok? Are everybody still happy,right?

And i miss the "sky is falling" guy

Kyie's injury will probably save Nico this season.
Oddly enough, an AD injury would probably help save Nico as well.

I don't think it's so easy... The media will destroy the Mavs if we miss PO again.

He can't survive to another mediocre season like i wrote multiple times, probably he will do a desperate move at the TDL.

But the reality is under all eyes.

[Teffer10]

And it worked, they were in the Finals. And after the season they brought some good offensive players, Grimes/Naji/Klay because it was obvious they needed more offense and then February happened... watching Finals between Okc and Pacers was painful knowing Mavs with Luka and not injured Kyrie could easily won against both. What Nico did is unforgivable from every aspect.

Almost as if the frickin idiot got amnesia on what happened the following season being 3 wins from a championship.
I think most fans could get onboard with being a CERTAIN legit championship contender for the next 10+ years instead of risking it all in an attempt to get just a little better.
Nico bet the farm and if it wasn't obvious after last season, it should be now that he lost it all on one stupid decision.

Attempt to be a little better would be getting Sga instead of Luka, getting AD was a suicidal from the beginning. You can't change top guard in a league, who's actually your whole offensive system, for a C, especially if you already have adequate bigs in your team.

In Nico's eyes getting better was putting an all defensive-oriented team on the floor even if it meant compromising offense.
Problem was that Nico didn't just compromise some offense, he compromised the biggest piece of the offense.

It would be the same as if the Chiefs traded Patrick Mahomes for Aaron Donald.
I guarantee Chiefs fans wouldn't have allowed Veach to keep his job.

Can't believe there are Mavs fans who have accepted this.

[Bob8]

Almost as if the frickin idiot got amnesia on what happened the following season being 3 wins from a championship.
I think most fans could get onboard with being a CERTAIN legit championship contender for the next 10+ years instead of risking it all in an attempt to get just a little better.
Nico bet the farm and if it wasn't obvious after last season, it should be now that he lost it all on one stupid decision.

Attempt to be a little better would be getting Sga instead of Luka, getting AD was a suicidal from the beginning. You can't change top guard in a league, who's actually your whole offensive system, for a C, especially if you already have adequate bigs in your team.

In Nico's eyes getting better was putting an all defensive-oriented team on the floor even if it meant compromising offense.
Problem was that Nico didn't just compromise some offense, he compromised the biggest piece of the offense.

It would be the same as if the Chiefs traded Patrick Mahomes for Aaron Donald.

The trade, who would have made team better would be Kyrie for AD and then trading Gafford for a scorer. Kyrie's value was a lot nearer to AD's too. Nobody sane would have traded Luka away, after averaging 34/9/10 and making Finals. I believe Nico's place is in mental institution.

[41Dirk41]

Attempt to be a little better would be getting Sga instead of Luka, getting AD was a suicidal from the beginning. You can't change top guard in a league, who's actually your whole offensive system, for a C, especially if you already have adequate bigs in your team.

In Nico's eyes getting better was putting an all defensive-oriented team on the floor even if it meant compromising offense.
Problem was that Nico didn't just compromise some offense, he compromised the biggest piece of the offense.

It would be the same as if the Chiefs traded Patrick Mahomes for Aaron Donald.

The trade, who would have made team better would be Kyrie for AD and then trading Gafford for a scorer. Kyrie's value was a lot nearer to AD's too. Nobody sane would have traded Luka away, after averaging 34/9/10 and making Finals. I believe Nico's place is in mental institution.

Again...that trade was not a basketball stuff.

Nico is not so stupid and mostly the new owners are not here to lose money.

[Teffer10]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

[Teffer10]

In Nico's eyes getting better was putting an all defensive-oriented team on the floor even if it meant compromising offense.
Problem was that Nico didn't just compromise some offense, he compromised the biggest piece of the offense.

It would be the same as if the Chiefs traded Patrick Mahomes for Aaron Donald.

The trade, who would have made team better would be Kyrie for AD and then trading Gafford for a scorer. Kyrie's value was a lot nearer to AD's too. Nobody sane would have traded Luka away, after averaging 34/9/10 and making Finals. I believe Nico's place is in mental institution.

Nico is not so stupid

I doubt if you will get too many people to agree with that.

[Teffer10]

Attempt to be a little better would be getting Sga instead of Luka, getting AD was a suicidal from the beginning. You can't change top guard in a league, who's actually your whole offensive system, for a C, especially if you already have adequate bigs in your team.

In Nico's eyes getting better was putting an all defensive-oriented team on the floor even if it meant compromising offense.
Problem was that Nico didn't just compromise some offense, he compromised the biggest piece of the offense.

It would be the same as if the Chiefs traded Patrick Mahomes for Aaron Donald.

The trade, who would have made team better would be Kyrie for AD and then trading Gafford for a scorer. Kyrie's value was a lot nearer to AD's too. Nobody sane would have traded Luka away, after averaging 34/9/10 and making Finals. I believe Nico's place is in mental institution.

Absolutely...I think a fair deal would have been Kyrie/Gaff for AD/Reaves with possibly some draft picks to even things out.
If I'm not mistaken, AD was wanting out of LA and they were trying to move him so Nico would have had some leverage.

[Bob8]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Big lineup will by definition bring you crowded paint and bad spacing. I wouldn't be too surprised if scoring in the paint is a problem with that lineup. About 3pts %, just imagine what happens in bad shooting night. Scoring below 80.

[41Dirk41]

The trade, who would have made team better would be Kyrie for AD and then trading Gafford for a scorer. Kyrie's value was a lot nearer to AD's too. Nobody sane would have traded Luka away, after averaging 34/9/10 and making Finals. I believe Nico's place is in mental institution.

Nico is not so stupid

I doubt if you will get too many people to agree with that.

I just try to say that move is above stupidity... It's not a wrong trade, it's a suicide.

[dirkules_41]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

[Teffer10]

Nico is not so stupid

I doubt if you will get too many people to agree with that.

I just try to say that move is above stupidity... It's not a wrong trade, it's a suicide.

I get your point, but I put it in the criminal category.
Bob says mental institution, but I say Nico should be locked up in prison.
He definitely doesn't have any business making any basketball decisions and I still can't believe some fans are giving that narcissist a pass even if he did luck out getting Flagg as a consolation prize.

[Bob8]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

What will starting 5 be with Kyrie back, who's btw not a Pg either? Would PJ be benched or Klay and Flagg playing 2? In that case everyone except Lively will play in wrong position.

And don't expect usual Kyrie in this season whenever he comes back. It won't be soon for sure, because in Kyrie's best interest is to take as long time as possible. He won't risk anything.

[Teffer10]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

The fact Flagg started as our PG indicates we have nobody to run the offense. And like Bob or someone said, Kyrie isn't going to make the guys around him that much better. They need to be spoon fed by a playmaking PG who is a master at assists. Sure wish we had a superstar PG who could do that or even an all-star caliber like the one we let get away FOR FRICKEN NOTHING 2 years ago.

Nico let one get away and gave another one away.
God, I'm so frickin pissed right now I can't see straight.

[Teffer10]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

What will starting 5 be with Kyrie back, who's btw not a Pg either? Would PJ be benched or Klay and Flagg playing 2? In that case everyone except Lively will play in wrong position.

And don't expect usual Kyrie in this season whenever he comes back.

The problem is that in order to win now, we'll need to make multiple trades.
However, there is no way in hell we should give up any future assets to chase a ring in the Klay/Kyrie/AD era.
Any trades made should be strategized for the Flagg/Lively/Christie era.

[Bob8]

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

What will starting 5 be with Kyrie back, who's btw not a Pg either? Would PJ be benched or Klay and Flagg playing 2? In that case everyone except Lively will play in wrong position.

And don't expect usual Kyrie in this season whenever he comes back.

The problem is that in order to win now, we'll need to make multiple trades.
However, there is no way in hell we should give up any future assets to chase a ring in the Klay/Kyrie/AD era.
Any trades made should be strategized for the Flagg/Lively/Christie era.

Mavs can't win no matter what they do. They would need 1 of 2 players they gave away.

The right move is only 1. Trade AD/Kyrie/Klay for picks and young players. Won't happen though. The only trade I can realistically see, is trading Gafford and maybe Naji.

[41Dirk41]

What will starting 5 be with Kyrie back, who's btw not a Pg either? Would PJ be benched or Klay and Flagg playing 2? In that case everyone except Lively will play in wrong position.

And don't expect usual Kyrie in this season whenever he comes back.

The problem is that in order to win now, we'll need to make multiple trades.
However, there is no way in hell we should give up any future assets to chase a ring in the Klay/Kyrie/AD era.
Any trades made should be strategized for the Flagg/Lively/Christie era.

Mavs can't win no matter what they do. They would need 1 of 2 players they gave away.

The right move is only 1. Trade AD/Kyrie/Klay for picks and young players. Won't happen though. The only trade I can realistically see, is trading Gafford and maybe Naji.

Agree.

Our 2 years window was bulls**t. This team has no present. No matter what they do.