RS 25/26 - Mavs vs Spurs (Wednesday Oct 22, 7:30 EST)

[Archx]

I think we all know by now that Kidd is usually a disaster in game 1 scenarios So yeah, not going to overreact. But i will stand by what i said that forcing Coop to play PG is dumb. Just because Kidd lucked into having the best point forward since Lebron for a couple of seasons, doesn't mean suddenly Coop will pick that up and continue. He needs way better dribbles and experience in reading defenses.

But i also don't like the fact that AD plays the same position as Flagg which means one of them will always play out of their natural position. It's easier for a star veteran but a rookie could have some problems.
Mavs offense actually looked way better once DLo came in to the game. When Kyrie comes back, depth of this team will be insane, he just needs to be 100%.

[41Dirk41]

I think we all know by now that Kidd is usually a disaster in game 1 scenarios So yeah, not going to overreact. But i will stand by what i said that forcing Coop to play PG is dumb. Just because Kidd lucked into having the best point forward since Lebron for a couple of seasons, doesn't mean suddenly Coop will pick that up and continue. He needs way better dribbles and experience in reading defenses.

But i also don't like the fact that AD plays the same position as Flagg which means one of them will always play out of their natural position. It's easier for a star veteran but a rookie could have some problems.
Mavs offense actually looked way better once DLo came in to the game. When Kyrie comes back, depth of this team will be insane, he just needs to be 100%.

So is the new mantra "depth wins Championships"?

[Bob8]

I think we all know by now that Kidd is usually a disaster in game 1 scenarios So yeah, not going to overreact. But i will stand by what i said that forcing Coop to play PG is dumb. Just because Kidd lucked into having the best point forward since Lebron for a couple of seasons, doesn't mean suddenly Coop will pick that up and continue. He needs way better dribbles and experience in reading defenses.

But i also don't like the fact that AD plays the same position as Flagg which means one of them will always play out of their natural position. It's easier for a star veteran but a rookie could have some problems.
Mavs offense actually looked way better once DLo came in to the game. When Kyrie comes back, depth of this team will be insane, he just needs to be 100%.

When Kyrie comes back and assume that Klay starts, everyone except Lively/Gafford will play in wrong position. I don't like Kidd but how roster is constructed he can't do anything magical. The only difference will be Kyrie playing Iso's instead AD, which is for sure good thing, but not enough for something more. Not to even mention that Kyrie will need at least few months to look like himself, that's season 26/27.

[Archx]

I think we all know by now that Kidd is usually a disaster in game 1 scenarios So yeah, not going to overreact. But i will stand by what i said that forcing Coop to play PG is dumb. Just because Kidd lucked into having the best point forward since Lebron for a couple of seasons, doesn't mean suddenly Coop will pick that up and continue. He needs way better dribbles and experience in reading defenses.

But i also don't like the fact that AD plays the same position as Flagg which means one of them will always play out of their natural position. It's easier for a star veteran but a rookie could have some problems.
Mavs offense actually looked way better once DLo came in to the game. When Kyrie comes back, depth of this team will be insane, he just needs to be 100%.

So is the new mantra "depth wins Championships"?

Yes, we have seen this for the past couple of seasons. It's also hard to come to conclusions how their defense will be after 4 months for example. This is just a start.

When Kyrie comes back and assume that Klay starts, everyone except Lively/Gafford will play in wrong position. I don't like Kidd but how roster is constructed he can't do anything magical. The only difference will be Kyrie playing Iso's instead AD, which is for sure good thing, but not enough for something more. Not to even mention that Kyrie will need at least few months to look like himself, that's season 26/27.

AD was never a 1A option on offense, he needs someone to attack from the perimeter and create. It's a drastic change going from DLo to Kyrie because Kyrie is good enough to create space and demand defenses to collapse which will give AD more room and freedom. Just don't know where in all of this Flagg will come in. Right now it looks like he'll just be a lesser version of PJ.

[Bob8]

I think we all know by now that Kidd is usually a disaster in game 1 scenarios So yeah, not going to overreact. But i will stand by what i said that forcing Coop to play PG is dumb. Just because Kidd lucked into having the best point forward since Lebron for a couple of seasons, doesn't mean suddenly Coop will pick that up and continue. He needs way better dribbles and experience in reading defenses.

But i also don't like the fact that AD plays the same position as Flagg which means one of them will always play out of their natural position. It's easier for a star veteran but a rookie could have some problems.
Mavs offense actually looked way better once DLo came in to the game. When Kyrie comes back, depth of this team will be insane, he just needs to be 100%.

So is the new mantra "depth wins Championships"?

Yes, we have seen this for the past couple of seasons. It's also hard to come to conclusions how their defense will be after 4 months for example. This is just a start.

When Kyrie comes back and assume that Klay starts, everyone except Lively/Gafford will play in wrong position. I don't like Kidd but how roster is constructed he can't do anything magical. The only difference will be Kyrie playing Iso's instead AD, which is for sure good thing, but not enough for something more. Not to even mention that Kyrie will need at least few months to look like himself, that's season 26/27.

AD was never a 1A option on offense, he needs someone to attack from the perimeter and create. It's a drastic change going from DLo to Kyrie because Kyrie is good enough to create space and demand defenses to collapse which will give AD more room and freedom. Just don't know where in all of this Flagg will come in. Right now it looks like he'll just be a lesser version of PJ.

Kyrie was never first opinion in offense either. There's a reason why he was great fit with LeBron and Luka. I doubt very much, he will suddenly become a Pg in his old age. And you're talking about pre injured Kyrie not Kyrie after not playing for 1 year.

[41Dirk41]

I think we all know by now that Kidd is usually a disaster in game 1 scenarios So yeah, not going to overreact. But i will stand by what i said that forcing Coop to play PG is dumb. Just because Kidd lucked into having the best point forward since Lebron for a couple of seasons, doesn't mean suddenly Coop will pick that up and continue. He needs way better dribbles and experience in reading defenses.

But i also don't like the fact that AD plays the same position as Flagg which means one of them will always play out of their natural position. It's easier for a star veteran but a rookie could have some problems.
Mavs offense actually looked way better once DLo came in to the game. When Kyrie comes back, depth of this team will be insane, he just needs to be 100%.

So is the new mantra "depth wins Championships"?

Yes, we have seen this for the past couple of seasons. It's also hard to come to conclusions how their defense will be after 4 months for example. This is just a start.

When Kyrie comes back and assume that Klay starts, everyone except Lively/Gafford will play in wrong position. I don't like Kidd but how roster is constructed he can't do anything magical. The only difference will be Kyrie playing Iso's instead AD, which is for sure good thing, but not enough for something more. Not to even mention that Kyrie will need at least few months to look like himself, that's season 26/27.

AD was never a 1A option on offense, he needs someone to attack from the perimeter and create. It's a drastic change going from DLo to Kyrie because Kyrie is good enough to create space and demand defenses to collapse which will give AD more room and freedom. Just don't know where in all of this Flagg will come in. Right now it looks like he'll just be a lesser version of PJ.

What? PO are a 7/8 men rotations. A team with a pletoria of role players will never be very good.
Mostly leaded by street clothes.

And... A start? What are you talking about? This team has to win now, our supposed superstars are old and injury prones.

People forget that is not game 1 of the Nico vision, we started that foolish project (or suicide) in february 2024.
We are in the middle of our jurney.
Not even 18yo Doncic can save this ship, Coop could not even win the ROY in this mess.

Any Harrison or Kidd statement after this massacre? Nothing?

[daoneandonly]

Sad to watch and witness, I really dislike Nico and AD. And Kidd is stupid to play Flagg at PG

[Archx]

So is the new mantra "depth wins Championships"?

Yes, we have seen this for the past couple of seasons. It's also hard to come to conclusions how their defense will be after 4 months for example. This is just a start.

When Kyrie comes back and assume that Klay starts, everyone except Lively/Gafford will play in wrong position. I don't like Kidd but how roster is constructed he can't do anything magical. The only difference will be Kyrie playing Iso's instead AD, which is for sure good thing, but not enough for something more. Not to even mention that Kyrie will need at least few months to look like himself, that's season 26/27.

AD was never a 1A option on offense, he needs someone to attack from the perimeter and create. It's a drastic change going from DLo to Kyrie because Kyrie is good enough to create space and demand defenses to collapse which will give AD more room and freedom. Just don't know where in all of this Flagg will come in. Right now it looks like he'll just be a lesser version of PJ.

What? PO are a 7/8 men rotations. A team with a pletoria of role players will never be very good.
Mostly leaded by street clothes.

And... A start? What are you talking about? This team has to win now, our supposed superstars are old and injury prones.

People forget that is not game 1 of the Nico vision, we started that foolish project (or suicide) in february 2024.
We are in the middle of our jurney.
Not even 18yo Doncic can save this ship, Coop could not even win the ROY in this mess.

Any Harrison or Kidd statement after this massacre? Nothing?

Look... like i said, it's freaking 1 game, people need to chill. Mavs reddit is already in full rage mode. We can do this after half of the season when Mavs have 10 wins but not right now. We have to see way more. Next game is vs Wizards who don't have a single star player on their team, i bet Mavs and Flagg will look 100x better than against top5 player in Wemby.

[daoneandonly]

Yes, we have seen this for the past couple of seasons. It's also hard to come to conclusions how their defense will be after 4 months for example. This is just a start.



AD was never a 1A option on offense, he needs someone to attack from the perimeter and create. It's a drastic change going from DLo to Kyrie because Kyrie is good enough to create space and demand defenses to collapse which will give AD more room and freedom. Just don't know where in all of this Flagg will come in. Right now it looks like he'll just be a lesser version of PJ.

What? PO are a 7/8 men rotations. A team with a pletoria of role players will never be very good.
Mostly leaded by street clothes.

And... A start? What are you talking about? This team has to win now, our supposed superstars are old and injury prones.

People forget that is not game 1 of the Nico vision, we started that foolish project (or suicide) in february 2024.
We are in the middle of our jurney.
Not even 18yo Doncic can save this ship, Coop could not even win the ROY in this mess.

Any Harrison or Kidd statement after this massacre? Nothing?

Look... like i said, it's freaking 1 game, people need to chill. Mavs reddit is already in full rage mode. We can do this after half of the season when Mavs have 10 wins but not right now. We have to see way more. Next game is vs Wizards who don't have a single star player on their team, i bet Mavs and Flagg will look 100x better than against top5 player in Wemby.

Agree mostly, but the problem is AD's only real value was supposed to be his defensive prowess, especially against guys like Wemby. He got obliterated

[dirkules_41]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

What will starting 5 be with Kyrie back, who's btw not a Pg either? Would PJ be benched or Klay and Flagg playing 2? In that case everyone except Lively will play in wrong position.

And don't expect usual Kyrie in this season whenever he comes back. It won't be soon for sure, because in Kyrie's best interest is to take as long time as possible. He won't risk anything.

Kyrie might not be a classic PG but he´s easily by far the most prolific ball handler and passer on this roster and requires a ton of defensive attention that frees up others (unlike our other options at PG).
I´d probably bench PJ and use Klay as spacing with Kyrie.

[dirkules_41]

So we're a supposed big team that can't shoot 3s, yet we shoot 43% from 3 and get outscored 68-26 in the paint and clobbered on the boards 50-37.
And holy crap....31/83 FGs (37%)??? WTF

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

The fact Flagg started as our PG indicates we have nobody to run the offense. And like Bob or someone said, Kyrie isn't going to make the guys around him that much better. They need to be spoon fed by a playmaking PG who is a master at assists. Sure wish we had a superstar PG who could do that or even an all-star caliber like the one we let get away FOR FRICKEN NOTHING 2 years ago.

Nico let one get away and gave another one away.
God, I'm so frickin pissed right now I can't see straight.

Well we all want Luka here but he isn´t so let´s move on and look at what we do have on the roster and how to make that successful. Crying after Luka won´t help, we´ve all done it for a long time now and it´ll sting for all eternity but nothing we can do, so let´s move on.

[Bob8]

Yeah abysmal performance, I'm really not a fan of how the offense is run. When Ky is back that will look very different but we gotta do well prior to that or it'll be meaningless.
I think Kidd needs to use Bwill and Nembhard and run a more conventional offense again. Way too many times were it was down to AD creating something or chucking up a shot from the top of the key and no movement anywhere. Like this we're wasting Lively and Gaff and our Klay as well, none of them get to play to their strenghts.

What will starting 5 be with Kyrie back, who's btw not a Pg either? Would PJ be benched or Klay and Flagg playing 2? In that case everyone except Lively will play in wrong position.

And don't expect usual Kyrie in this season whenever he comes back. It won't be soon for sure, because in Kyrie's best interest is to take as long time as possible. He won't risk anything.

Kyrie might not be a classic PG but he´s easily by far the most prolific ball handler and passer on this roster and requires a ton of defensive attention that frees up others (unlike our other options at PG).
I´d probably bench PJ and use Klay as spacing with Kyrie.

My point is,

1 Kyrie
2 Klay
3 Flagg
4 Ad
5 Lively

Kyrie is not 1, Klay is not 2, Flagg is not 3, AD is not shooting good enough to be paired with non shooting C. I agree it would better than now, if we forget that Kyrie was injured for 1 year, but it's still totally wrong roster construction and still not enough creativity. When we played in Finals, Mavs didn't have great roster, but they had everyone playing exactly on position they should. You can say the same for Thunder and Pacers last year. Just great team construction. Mavs are total opposite, on paper good roster, but awkwardly constructed.

[Archx]

Agree mostly, but the problem is AD's only real value was supposed to be his defensive prowess, especially against guys like Wemby. He got obliterated

Yeah that's true. He doesn't look like he's in shape either, still very sluggish. But against Wemby, i doubt anyone can do anything. He'll be dominant like Shaq was. You'll need 2 or 3 guys to fully stop him lol. Mavs just weren't prepared enough and Kidd obviously loves to experiment with lineups. So, i'll give it some time because Flagg also looked totally different when Wemby wasn't on the floor. But it is very clear Mavs will need a good playmaker in the future. Kyrie will provide some of that but him and AD are too injury prone to be trusted.

[41Dirk41]

Yes, we have seen this for the past couple of seasons. It's also hard to come to conclusions how their defense will be after 4 months for example. This is just a start.



AD was never a 1A option on offense, he needs someone to attack from the perimeter and create. It's a drastic change going from DLo to Kyrie because Kyrie is good enough to create space and demand defenses to collapse which will give AD more room and freedom. Just don't know where in all of this Flagg will come in. Right now it looks like he'll just be a lesser version of PJ.

What? PO are a 7/8 men rotations. A team with a pletoria of role players will never be very good.
Mostly leaded by street clothes.

And... A start? What are you talking about? This team has to win now, our supposed superstars are old and injury prones.

People forget that is not game 1 of the Nico vision, we started that foolish project (or suicide) in february 2024.
We are in the middle of our jurney.
Not even 18yo Doncic can save this ship, Coop could not even win the ROY in this mess.

Any Harrison or Kidd statement after this massacre? Nothing?

Look... like i said, it's freaking 1 game, people need to chill. Mavs reddit is already in full rage mode. We can do this after half of the season when Mavs have 10 wins but not right now. We have to see way more. Next game is vs Wizards who don't have a single star player on their team, i bet Mavs and Flagg will look 100x better than against top5 player in Wemby.

Yes, we will win against the great Wizards. Amazing.

If is that enough for you it's ok but our GM told us that we are a contender.

Wemby will be here for 15 years (unless major injuries that i can predict cause his strange size), we have to beat him to win it all.

[Bob8]

Apparently offense is an easy fix.

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Our trio Kidd, Nico and Dumont are perfect representatives of Dumb, Dumber and the Dumbest.

[41Dirk41]

Apparently offense is an easy fix.

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Without Doncic he can draw a simple offensive play, what a overrated coach.

But everyone will be unmasked this season, no more excuses for him and Harrison.

Your time here is over.

[Andri]

This franchise has been destroyed for the next 5 seasons for sure.

No matter how much play can be improved, that will happen. It is easy to comeback from such a disastrous start. How much you can tweak the roster trading here and there.

Mavs won't be able to contend againts OKC, Denver, SA in the foreseeable future. Period.

That was stolen.

[HMFFL]

Bob, that's not what I was referring to when I said contain Wemby. 40/15 is far from it. 20/10 would be ideal as I stated.

How does our front court look to you now? AD and Dereck Lively are still your answer?

Both need to go sooner than later. Our front office must figure out the frontcourt and upgrade it until we have actual talent that will help us compete.

[HMFFL]

Points In The Paint
San Antoino 68
Dallas 26

Fast Break Points
San Antoino 31
Dallas 8

Lazy basketball all around by our team.

[41Dirk41]

Bob, that's not what I was referring to when I said contain Wemby. 40/15 is far from it. 20/10 would be ideal as I stated.

How does our front court look to you now? AD and Dereck Lively are still your answer?

Both need to go sooner than later. Our front office must figure out the frontcourt and upgrade it until we have actual talent that will help us compete.

I love Lively attitude and mindset but this is his 3rd year... He has to show something.

P.S.
And not some 3s, i don't care about it.