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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#281 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:35 am

minimus wrote:• Donte tried to drive to the basket — two turnovers, both times he got stripped while trying to bring the ball over. But he had a good first quarter with two steals, an open three, and a mid-range shot. The he lost he ball twice when he tried to bring the ball over the court, could not inbound and telegraphed pass to Reid. That was sad, so our coaching staff should reduce his role to first quarter role.
• Reid had an awful stretch on defense, either fouling or allowing easy shots at the rim. He later had a decent run, contesting shots without fouling. But then had a bonehead moment, throwing a reckless pass in transition and getting a three splashed in his face.
• Randle and Reid looked good only when Clark and TJ locked up the perimeter. Also, I think by design, big wings like Avdija and Grant will be able to score a lot against our second unit.
• Clark was unbelievable on defense and awful on offense — missed an open layup and travelled. But he earned the team so many possessions via offensive and defensive boards, charges, and steals. He’s already a functional part of this team.
• Gobert was solid. Honestly, this might be his new standard: 10 pts, 6 reb, 1 blk in 30 min, with a few great defensive possessions and a few fumbled passes. Gobert’s screens still work for Ant. That one moment when McDaniels guarded point of attack and Gobert dropped back — it reminded me exactly why MIN had the best defense two seasons ago.
• Randle was efficient on offense, but a step slow on defense and provided no rim protection. Finch needs to get more out of him in DHO and split sets, using Randle as a slasher/passer.
• I didn’t like our effort or defensive scheme when we allowed semi-open threes to role players.
• Ant is unbelievable.
• Conley looks old — you can’t play him big minutes against playoff-caliber opponents.
• I liked Jaden freelancing on offense. The ball comes to him when the first two options are covered or doubled, and honestly, Jaden can add some juice to the offense. Didn’t love his defense though — too reactionary. Also had two turnovers from inaccurate passes. Can we please get Joe Ingles to teach Jaden how to pass? Jaden with Ingles-level passing is basically Pippen.

Overall, without like 10 ridiculous turnovers (DDV, Jaden, Reid, Ant, Conley), MIN would’ve won by 20+. TC needs to find a new Chauncey Billups — not necessarily a traditional PG, but someone who can give us consistent 25–30 quality minutes at the position.


Teams are really starting to target Naz hard. Its an extension from what we saw in the playoffs, especially vs Kuminga. The word is out on his defense. You can just out-athlete him for free points. And re: Conley and Donte...that's a really bad trend for game 1. All the people that were feeling like the PG rotation is in shambles look completely correct. Bones might unironically be the best option of the 3 as far as handling ball pressure. And I don't know that that's a feather in his cap as much as it's a red flag on current roster construction. If Portland is also gonna be yet another team that's gonna terrorize you when bringing the ball up court, that's starting to be a theme. There's a good number of teams now that can pressure you 94 feet. I don't know how far you can realistically get with a bunch of guards that can't be relied on to bring the ball up court and get rid of it without getting ripped. Overall I'd say guys really embodied all of their strengths and weaknesses to a T for the most part, for better and for worse.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#282 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:36 am

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TwolvesFanRome wrote:Finch has a problem with Dilly, I have not other explanation :D

0 mins with our situation in the PG role are not explainable..


Yes they are, Dilly cannot play PG against any kind of intense defense. I don’t even think he is truly NBA worthy against a tanking team. Rob needs to spend serious time in Iowa and develop his game.

I disagree, but Finch refused to play Dilly when we desperately needed him and Finch's opinion is the only one that matters.


He'll play him, but probably not in a tight game until he gets comfortable with him.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#283 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:22 pm

I was re-watching some plays and it really stuck out how our perimeter defense was causing their ball handlers just as much of an issue as they were for us. Holiday was in hell at times with Clark on him. And really, once Bones came in, they had to back off. If he can hold up as a ball handler, hit some threes, and not be a nightmare defensively, Finch is gonna keep giving him minutes.

Oh, and dd anyone else have a bout of "oh sure, Clingan is in year 2 and already has randomly developed a 3 point shot, but god forbid Rudy Gobert be able to make a hook shot in year 13...". I couldnt help it.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#284 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:37 pm

jeez, now I guess the Blazers' day just got a little worse....
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#285 » by frankenwolf » Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:39 pm

I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, [emoji239[emoji2395]] pm) 

Post#286 » by minimus » Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:56 pm

frankenwolf wrote:I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.

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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#287 » by jpatrick » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:02 pm

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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#288 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:28 pm

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minimus wrote:• Donte tried to drive to the basket — two turnovers, both times he got stripped while trying to bring the ball over. But he had a good first quarter with two steals, an open three, and a mid-range shot. The he lost he ball twice when he tried to bring the ball over the court, could not inbound and telegraphed pass to Reid. That was sad, so our coaching staff should reduce his role to first quarter role.
• Reid had an awful stretch on defense, either fouling or allowing easy shots at the rim. He later had a decent run, contesting shots without fouling. But then had a bonehead moment, throwing a reckless pass in transition and getting a three splashed in his face.
• Randle and Reid looked good only when Clark and TJ locked up the perimeter. Also, I think by design, big wings like Avdija and Grant will be able to score a lot against our second unit.
• Clark was unbelievable on defense and awful on offense — missed an open layup and travelled. But he earned the team so many possessions via offensive and defensive boards, charges, and steals. He’s already a functional part of this team.
• Gobert was solid. Honestly, this might be his new standard: 10 pts, 6 reb, 1 blk in 30 min, with a few great defensive possessions and a few fumbled passes. Gobert’s screens still work for Ant. That one moment when McDaniels guarded point of attack and Gobert dropped back — it reminded me exactly why MIN had the best defense two seasons ago.
• Randle was efficient on offense, but a step slow on defense and provided no rim protection. Finch needs to get more out of him in DHO and split sets, using Randle as a slasher/passer.
• I didn’t like our effort or defensive scheme when we allowed semi-open threes to role players.
• Ant is unbelievable.
• Conley looks old — you can’t play him big minutes against playoff-caliber opponents.
• I liked Jaden freelancing on offense. The ball comes to him when the first two options are covered or doubled, and honestly, Jaden can add some juice to the offense. Didn’t love his defense though — too reactionary. Also had two turnovers from inaccurate passes. Can we please get Joe Ingles to teach Jaden how to pass? Jaden with Ingles-level passing is basically Pippen.

Overall, without like 10 ridiculous turnovers (DDV, Jaden, Reid, Ant, Conley), MIN would’ve won by 20+. TC needs to find a new Chauncey Billups — not necessarily a traditional PG, but someone who can give us consistent 25–30 quality minutes at the position.


Teams are really starting to target Naz hard. Its an extension from what we saw in the playoffs, especially vs Kuminga. The word is out on his defense. You can just out-athlete him for free points. And re: Conley and Donte...that's a really bad trend for game 1. All the people that were feeling like the PG rotation is in shambles look completely correct. Bones might unironically be the best option of the 3 as far as handling ball pressure. And I don't know that that's a feather in his cap as much as it's a red flag on current roster construction. If Portland is also gonna be yet another team that's gonna terrorize you when bringing the ball up court, that's starting to be a theme. There's a good number of teams now that can pressure you 94 feet. I don't know how far you can realistically get with a bunch of guards that can't be relied on to bring the ball up court and get rid of it without getting ripped. Overall I'd say guys really embodied all of their strengths and weaknesses to a T for the most part, for better and for worse.

That's why we needed to play Dilly. He can bring the ball up no problem at all.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#289 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:29 pm

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Yes they are, Dilly cannot play PG against any kind of intense defense. I don’t even think he is truly NBA worthy against a tanking team. Rob needs to spend serious time in Iowa and develop his game.

I disagree, but Finch refused to play Dilly when we desperately needed him and Finch's opinion is the only one that matters.


He'll play him, but probably not in a tight game until he gets comfortable with him.

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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, [emoji239[emoji2395]] pm) 

Post#291 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:30 pm

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frankenwolf wrote:I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.

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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#292 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:31 pm

frankenwolf wrote:I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.

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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#293 » by minimus » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:55 pm

minimus wrote:Overall, without like 10 ridiculous turnovers (DDV, Jaden, Reid, Ant, Conley), MIN would’ve won by 20+. TC needs to find a new Chauncey Billups — not necessarily a traditional PG, but someone who can give us consistent 25–30 quality minutes at the position.


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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#294 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:47 pm

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TwolvesFanRome wrote:Finch has a problem with Dilly, I have not other explanation :D

0 mins with our situation in the PG role are not explainable..

I think POR would be a tough match up for Dillingham.


Holiday would eat Rob alive. Both in offense and defense

EXACTLY!
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Post#295 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:58 pm

frankenwolf wrote:I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.

I think this is a good assessment. Some of it is on the ballhandler though, signaling for help, whether for an outlet or a screener when one’s not there. Too often, guys are overconfident in their ability and think they can beat the defense 1-on-1.

Bones wasn’t perfect last night, but I thought he helped in an area of need where the team was struggling all night long to that point. I don’t think we win without what he gave the team.
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Post#296 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:07 pm

I think one other very important factor needs to be remembered

Bones Hyland is 25
TJ Shannon is 25
Jaylen Clark is 24
Rob Dillingham is 20
Joan Beringer is 19

They all play like it, too. In intense close-game situations in difficult environments, you don't turn to the most inexperienced, youthful players on the team. That's coaching career suicide.

The young guys will get a chance. It just wasn't last night.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#297 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:14 pm

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frankenwolf wrote:I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.

I think this is a good assessment. Some of it is on the ballhandler though, signaling for help, whether for an outlet or a screener when one’s not there. Too often, guys are overconfident in their ability and think they can beat the defense 1-on-1.

Bones wasn’t perfect last night, but I thought he helped in an area of need where the team was struggling all night long to that point. I don’t think we win without what he gave the team.


And the passes too were hurting them when trying to bring the ball up or push in transition. The passing and receiving passes needs improvement almost across the board. Guys consistently get their passes stolen because they don't have a good touch to get the ball over the defender. Multiple times guys were line-drive passing and the defender just steps in front to snatch it. Even on short passes I noticed they are really sloppy. There was one where Donte is just passing the ball to I think it was Naz near the sideline, and it's a pretty short pass, but Thybulle just steps right in front and takes it away because there's not much touch on the pass, and Naz isn't sealing him off either. KG was such a master at sealing off the defender when receiving a pass. They'd almost never be able to get around him. It's easy to take it for granted, but it takes some skill. So if they wanna work on breaking backcourt pressure, they need to get better at putting these passes in a spot where they're catching it between ball and nearest defender.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#298 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:18 pm

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frankenwolf wrote:I would like to suggest that we don't need a PG as much as we need to learn how to break a press. No matter how good a PG you have, you have people like McDaniels, Toumani, Jrue, that will give that person bringing up the ball all they can handle and more. As a coach I can tell you, passing the ball will get the defense set back on their heels more than one person beating another. I didn't watch the entire game, but the Wolves would vacate after throwing the ball in and you just can't do that with full court pressure. You are daring the other team to take the ball away from you and make easy baskets. Break the press, get easy baskets and other teams will stop pressing you.

I think this is a good assessment. Some of it is on the ballhandler though, signaling for help, whether for an outlet or a screener when one’s not there. Too often, guys are overconfident in their ability and think they can beat the defense 1-on-1.

Bones wasn’t perfect last night, but I thought he helped in an area of need where the team was struggling all night long to that point. I don’t think we win without what he gave the team.


And the passes too were hurting them when trying to bring the ball up or push in transition. The passing and receiving passes needs improvement almost across the board. Guys consistently get their passes stolen because they don't have a good touch to get the ball over the defender. Multiple times guys were line-drive passing and the defender just steps in front to snatch it. Even on short passes I noticed they are really sloppy. There was one where Donte is just passing the ball to I think it was Naz near the sideline, and it's a pretty short pass, but Thybulle just steps right in front and takes it away because there's not much touch on the pass, and Naz isn't sealing him off either. KG was such a master at sealing off the defender when receiving a pass. They'd almost never be able to get around him. It's easy to take it for granted, but it takes some skill. So if they wanna work on breaking backcourt pressure, they need to get better at putting these passes in a spot where they're catching it between ball and nearest defender.

I did appreciate Kyle Theige's take after the game on it, saying that a lot of the errors were when they were trying to push tempo as a way to beat the press. The team has had a way of going away from points of emphasis once the regular season starts, so it was good to see that emphasis might be sticking. That will pay dividends over the long run.
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#299 » by frankenwolf » Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:19 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:And the passes too were hurting them when trying to bring the ball up or push in transition. The passing and receiving passes needs improvement almost across the board. Guys consistently get their passes stolen because they don't have a good touch to get the ball over the defender. Multiple times guys were line-drive passing and the defender just steps in front to snatch it. Even on short passes I noticed they are really sloppy. There was one where Donte is just passing the ball to I think it was Naz near the sideline, and it's a pretty short pass, but Thybulle just steps right in front and takes it away because there's not much touch on the pass, and Naz isn't sealing him off either. KG was such a master at sealing off the defender when receiving a pass. They'd almost never be able to get around him. It's easy to take it for granted, but it takes some skill. So if they wanna work on breaking backcourt pressure, they need to get better at putting these passes in a spot where they're catching it between ball and nearest defender.


Yes, it seemed that they were very "lazy" on their passes. There was one time that MC was bringing the ball up and from half court he tried to pass it into the corner and it was picked off. I hollered at the screen "What the &$#% ??!!" That did not look like the MC I've seen in the past. :banghead:
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Re: Game 1: Timberwolves at Blazers (10/22, 9 pm) 

Post#300 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:27 pm

Klomp wrote:I think one other very important factor needs to be remembered

Bones Hyland is 25
TJ Shannon is 25
Jaylen Clark is 24
Rob Dillingham is 20
Joan Beringer is 19

They all play like it, too. In intense close-game situations in difficult environments, you don't turn to the most inexperienced, youthful players on the team. That's coaching career suicide.

The young guys will get a chance. It just wasn't last night.


Shannon did, he was in there in crunch time. Pretty surprising actually because he was far from perfect this game. He was missing some shots at the rim, overplaying on defense a bit like that end of quarter 3 that Holiday hit. But I suspect Finch loves his physicality. Sometimes it seems like he can hang with strong wings a little better than Jaden or Clark. He's a big help in games where you gotta go up against Camara, Avdija, and Grant, and then he's versatile enough to play down on Holiday too. He definitely seems like the guy they're zoned in on the most as far as getting more minutes and opportunities. And while his handle is suspect at times, teams are gonna get hesitant to pressure him way out past the 3 point line with what he can do once he gets an open lane to the rim.
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