Rockets over-reaction trade

[BK_2020]

Is it?

Sengun/Amen both look like they have realistic chances to be Top 20 players in the NBA in 1-2 years. I think that makes Houston have a window with those two, don't you think?

They are both complimentary players to me. They'll need a star. And while GSW and the Clippers' stars will age out by KD's retirement, Luka and Jokic are still around, and there's Luke Kornet and the other guy in San Antonio, Flagg in Dallas. I thinks the Rockets should treat this season with a bit more urgency than they've shown.

Rockets have some of the deepest assets in the league for another star.

Maybe. But they are in a conference with a bunch of teams that already have a young star. That's a lot better place to be IMO than having assets to maybe trade for a star.

[ReggiesKnicks]

They are both complimentary players to me. They'll need a star. And while GSW and the Clippers' stars will age out by KD's retirement, Luka and Jokic are still around, and there's Luke Kornet and the other guy in San Antonio, Flagg in Dallas. I thinks the Rockets should treat this season with a bit more urgency than they've shown.

Rockets have some of the deepest assets in the league for another star.

Maybe. But they are in a conference with a bunch of teams that already have a young star. That's a lot better place to be IMO than having assets to maybe trade for a star.

Well that's because you don't think Amen or Sengun can take the next step, but nothing says all-star caliber players at 22/23 years old can't take the next step.

[louc1970]

Quick overreaction

Reed - the game is still too fast for him.
Eason - playing time limited by Durant/Smith

Use these 2 plus extra pieces (Olivier, DFS, etc..) to get a PG.

Could Garland be available for a package?
Cheap short term rental of Rozier?
Fox when eligible?

If the Rockets don't want Reed this year then the Cavs don't either.

I don’t think Cleveland would want him.

[dcstanley]

I think I do, I don't think you do. Here is his game from a few days ago:

Just to be clear...

You are ignoring the past 7 years of data we have which show Okogie as an extremely limited offensive player (8.1% AST% and 2.2 Assists/36 Minutes) and instead arguing in good faith based on one pre-season game a week ago?

I think you're ignoring that he played that roles on other teams but if you simply watch him play for Nigeria when he's given the role to create, he can do it well. He's not at all extremely limited. DFS is extremely limited, Vando is extremely limited.

Watch on YouTube

Just watch any of his games where his role isn't limited to spot up shooter and slasher. There are many game highlights you can familiarize yourself with.

This has never translated to the NBA, though. He's been a play-finisher his entire career and a subpar one at that.

[zimpy27]

Just to be clear...

You are ignoring the past 7 years of data we have which show Okogie as an extremely limited offensive player (8.1% AST% and 2.2 Assists/36 Minutes) and instead arguing in good faith based on one pre-season game a week ago?

I think you're ignoring that he played that roles on other teams but if you simply watch him play for Nigeria when he's given the role to create, he can do it well. He's not at all extremely limited. DFS is extremely limited, Vando is extremely limited.

Watch on YouTube

Just watch any of his games where his role isn't limited to spot up shooter and slasher. There are many game highlights you can familiarize yourself with.

This has never translated to the NBA, though. He's been a play-finisher his entire career and a subpar one at that.

It has not translated because it's not been needed, it's now needed on Rockets. Role players don't just get to go on the floor and do what they want in the NBA.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I think you're ignoring that he played that roles on other teams but if you simply watch him play for Nigeria when he's given the role to create, he can do it well. He's not at all extremely limited. DFS is extremely limited, Vando is extremely limited.

Watch on YouTube

Just watch any of his games where his role isn't limited to spot up shooter and slasher. There are many game highlights you can familiarize yourself with.

This has never translated to the NBA, though. He's been a play-finisher his entire career and a subpar one at that.

It has not translated because it's not been needed, it's now needed on Rockets. Role players don't just get to go on the floor and do what they want in the NBA.

Josh Okogie burner account has been located

[dcstanley]

I think you're ignoring that he played that roles on other teams but if you simply watch him play for Nigeria when he's given the role to create, he can do it well. He's not at all extremely limited. DFS is extremely limited, Vando is extremely limited.

Watch on YouTube

Just watch any of his games where his role isn't limited to spot up shooter and slasher. There are many game highlights you can familiarize yourself with.

This has never translated to the NBA, though. He's been a play-finisher his entire career and a subpar one at that.

It has not translated because it's not been needed, it's now needed on Rockets. Role players don't just get to go on the floor and do what they want in the NBA.

I can assure you that the Rockets will not be putting the ball in his hands lol. It doesn't translate because it doesn't work against NBA competition.

Javale Mcgee is dominating the NBL at the ripe age of 37. Should NBA teams have played through him more?

[MoneyTalks41890]

You can see room for some tweaks for fit but there’s obviously a ton of talent and good coaching in Houston. They looked pretty good last night, it’s KD’s first game with the new team.

I do think they should consider moving some pieces for a PG, not a novel idea.

But I’d pay something to keep Rozier off my team personally.

Rozier will happily take that money and slam it on his under next game

It may be needed for the defense fund instead…

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[ThatBoyNick]

Give us our boy Jamal Shead back man.

Rockets have seriously struggled to make meaningful draft picks outside of the top 20, or additions through undrafted signings, or 2-ways

it drives me nuts.

[PistolPeteJR]

Is Reaves of interest? Reaves in that lineup as #3 option, playing in a backcourt next to Amen could be very beneficial I think.

The issue with Reaves is that he is on an expiring contract, is worth more than a 40% raise off the contract would get him (so he can't realistically be extended), but would take a significant amount of assets to acquire by trade. But from an on-court perspective I agree with you that Reaves would be a great fit.

What would it take for both teams to say yes?

Austin Reaves
Dalton Knecht
Adou Thiero
Pick swap

for

Jabari Smith
Tari Eason

?

[Godaddycurse]

Is Reaves of interest? Reaves in that lineup as #3 option, playing in a backcourt next to Amen could be very beneficial I think.

The issue with Reaves is that he is on an expiring contract, is worth more than a 40% raise off the contract would get him (so he can't realistically be extended), but would take a significant amount of assets to acquire by trade. But from an on-court perspective I agree with you that Reaves would be a great fit.

What would it take for both teams to say yes?

Austin Reaves
Dalton Knecht
Adou Thiero
Pick swap

for

Jabari Smith
Tari Eason

?

why in the world would LAL want 2 more PFs

[PistolPeteJR]

The issue with Reaves is that he is on an expiring contract, is worth more than a 40% raise off the contract would get him (so he can't realistically be extended), but would take a significant amount of assets to acquire by trade. But from an on-court perspective I agree with you that Reaves would be a great fit.

What would it take for both teams to say yes?

Austin Reaves
Dalton Knecht
Adou Thiero
Pick swap

for

Jabari Smith
Tari Eason

?

why in the world would LAL want 2 more PFs

For starters, Tari can play SF and is a great defender for them can he can kind of shoot, though he has to get better there. Jabari is the small-ball 5 that team needs that can defend inside, switch and shoot. They desperately need switchable players that can still have some impact on the offense. Plus, both those guys are young.

A Luka-Smart-Eason-James-Smith Jr lineup w/ Ayton, Vincent, LaRavia, Rui looks a lot better to me. Houston also does pretty well here I think.

[LarsV8]

Tari is SF capable and might even be at his best as a wing.

Jabari wouldn't be in this deal, but

Tari
Capela

For

Reeves

Makes sense, if Reeves contract will be reasonable. Would need to route a min guy somewhere from Houston to make the money work.

[tcheco]

Tari is SF capable and might even be at his best as a wing.

Jabari wouldn't be in this deal, but

Tari
Capela

For

Reeves

Makes sense, if Reeves contract will be reasonable. Would need to route a min guy somewhere from Houston to make the money work.

Would Rockets be ok with Reeves getting to UFA? He can't be extended before that, right? He will command north of 25M most likely

[LarsV8]

Tari is SF capable and might even be at his best as a wing.

Jabari wouldn't be in this deal, but

Tari
Capela

For

Reeves

Makes sense, if Reeves contract will be reasonable. Would need to route a min guy somewhere from Houston to make the money work.

Would Rockets be ok with Reeves getting to UFA? He can't be extended before that, right? He will command north of 25M most likely

I mean, they have FVV earning 25m already, and Sheppard at 10m. Reeves could presumably allow you to move on from both of those guys. I think it can work.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I think everyone would hate it but I kind of like FVV, DFS for CJM, with the Wizards flipping DFS.

Rockets should be aiming higher than that with KD in the fold though.

[penbeast0]

I think everyone would hate it but I kind of like FVV, DFS for CJM, with the Wizards flipping DFS.

Rockets should be aiming higher than that with KD in the fold though.

I get it for the Rockets but what is the incentive for the Wizards to give up a year of free agency money when they already arranged it so they'd have everyone over 30 expiring together next year?

[davidv2001]

Tari played 22 minutes and would have played more if he wasn't awful, guessing extension drama still on the mind. Reed is a small guard who has barely any NBA experience still, it's gonna take time, they're not panicking

He's losing minutes to Josh Okogie. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't dribble, can't finish. He's looking more like Jared Vanderbilt than an NBA starter.

Plus he never plays. Reports are Houston offered a partially nonguaranteed extension, I'm guessing te guarantees were based on games played.

If houston doesn't trust the player to play enough games to be worth a normal contract extension (without a bunch of Zion-like nonguarantees), then I really wouldnt be excited about taking on Eason at $20 or $25 a year.

Tari Eason played in 57 games last year. That was his first season after a serious leg injury necessitated surgery after he played in 22 games.

[penbeast0]

Plus he never plays. Reports are Houston offered a partially nonguaranteed extension, I'm guessing te guarantees were based on games played.

If houston doesn't trust the player to play enough games to be worth a normal contract extension (without a bunch of Zion-like nonguarantees), then I really wouldnt be excited about taking on Eason at $20 or $25 a year.

Tari Eason played in 57 games last year. That was his first season after a serious leg injury necessitated surgery after he played in 22 games.

Are you saying 57 games last year as a positive thing or a negative one?

[davidv2001]

Is Reaves of interest? Reaves in that lineup as #3 option, playing in a backcourt next to Amen could be very beneficial I think.

The issue with Reaves is that he is on an expiring contract, is worth more than a 40% raise off the contract would get him (so he can't realistically be extended), but would take a significant amount of assets to acquire by trade. But from an on-court perspective I agree with you that Reaves would be a great fit.

What would it take for both teams to say yes?

Austin Reaves
Dalton Knecht
Adou Thiero
Pick swap

for

Jabari Smith
Tari Eason

?

The Rockets aren’t giving up Smith and Eason for Reaves. That’s too much for the Rockets to give.