Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe

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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#121 » by djsunyc » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:40 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:There's no coming back from this for the league. They're so in cahoots with sports gambling that there's absolutely no way they could break away clean. Not to mention they'd be losing a ton of revenue.


how do you police your players? if a player wants to partake in gambling in their personal life, then what do you do? imho, there's no cahoots here. the players are adults and are doing this independently of the league unless you somehow think the nba is actually encouraging their own players to gamble.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#122 » by JellosJigglin » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:50 pm

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SkyBill40 wrote:There's no coming back from this for the league. They're so in cahoots with sports gambling that there's absolutely no way they could break away clean. Not to mention they'd be losing a ton of revenue.


how do you police your players? if a player wants to partake in gambling in their personal life, then what do you do? imho, there's no cahoots here. the players are adults and are doing this independently of the league unless you somehow think the nba is actually encouraging their own players to gamble.

Where have you been? Silver is actively working with the gambling industry and advocating for the legalization of sports betting. He welcomes their money for sponsorships. If you invite sharks into your waters don't be surprised when they eat your fish. Silver has a big hand in this and it's going to get worse under his watch.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#123 » by G R E Y » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:53 pm

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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#124 » by Mephariel » Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:01 am

JellosJigglin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:There's no coming back from this for the league. They're so in cahoots with sports gambling that there's absolutely no way they could break away clean. Not to mention they'd be losing a ton of revenue.


how do you police your players? if a player wants to partake in gambling in their personal life, then what do you do? imho, there's no cahoots here. the players are adults and are doing this independently of the league unless you somehow think the nba is actually encouraging their own players to gamble.

Where have you been? Silver is actively working with the gambling industry and advocating for the legalization of sports betting. He welcomes their money for sponsorships. If you invite sharks into your waters don't be surprised when they eat your fish. Silver has a big hand in this and it's going to get worse under his watch.


He wasn't the only one who thinks legalizing it is better. The NFL also went all in on sports gambling. And this is what Manford said about gambling:

"We were kind of dragged into legalized sports betting as a litigant in a case that ended up in the Supreme Court. Having said that, I recognize — probably better today than when we were involved in that litigation — that one of the advantages of legalization is it’s a heck of a lot easier to monitor what’s going on than it is with an illegal operation.”
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#125 » by Enso » Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:31 am

Give us our pick back not like the Hornets will do anything productive with it anyways let's be honest
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#126 » by ShootersShoot » Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:38 am

meatwad4343 wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:Help me understand how a guy who has made 135M in his career feels the need to do this.


Gambling is an addiction just like drugs and alcholol. Some dudes just can't help it.


The crime wasnt gambling..plenty of people gamble without getting arrested
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#127 » by HMFFL » Fri Oct 24, 2025 3:02 am

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G R E Y wrote:What? Wow.

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Adam Silver is joke. Likely the most corrupt commissioner of the last 100 years in pro Sports. Has to be if this is true, which would not surprise us.
And how does Silver not inform the Miami Heat about it. Keeping Intel from Pat Riley and the franchise speaks volumes of how the league is ran.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#128 » by G R E Y » Fri Oct 24, 2025 3:31 am

HMFFL wrote:
Optms wrote:
G R E Y wrote:What? Wow.

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Adam Silver is joke. Likely the most corrupt commissioner of the last 100 years in pro Sports. Has to be if this is true, which would not surprise us.
And how does Silver not inform the Miami Heat about it. Keeping Intel from Pat Riley and the franchise speaks volumes of how the league is ran.

On the one hand, a team wants full disclosure. On the other, given that the league found no wrongdoing at the time, revealing that a player was even investigated could have been seen as prejudicial. Maybe the league only has an obligation to tell a team if a player is found guilty? You could see how a team can feel screwed over though.

Feels like the league is finding itself in new situations that rules are chasing to address.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#129 » by mastermixer » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:11 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
It's Silver who should be gone, given entire nba games are investigated for being fixed.
All that after Silver got caught lying about not knowing what's Aspiration. Like 20 days ago.


You literally now have to look at every game he played and every game Billups coached. Ridiculous


I wrote it on other thread, nba already has history of game rigging via tanking. Basically, every tanking team is already fixing games after all star break by giving shady "injury "reports and resting best players for sake of boosting tank & securing good draft position.

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This is how game rigging looks like, even without official gambling involved. This is end of Pelicans season. Should anybody actually believe that every single starter and important role player of same team was hurt at same point, when it was in their best interes?

I'm not trying to point finger on Pelicans, every team that tanks does this.

Concept of rewarding losing in league that is being plagued by gambling is deadly combination. Flood ates are now wide open.


Although I agree with you 100% and not arguing with you, but when a team begins tanking and announcing they are sitting key players for the rest of the season etc l, That’s built into the betting odds and thy spread.

I’m not a huge gambler, but I think some places won’t even offer a money line bet on those games, just spreads.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#130 » by pepe1991 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:37 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
You literally now have to look at every game he played and every game Billups coached. Ridiculous


I wrote it on other thread, nba already has history of game rigging via tanking. Basically, every tanking team is already fixing games after all star break by giving shady "injury "reports and resting best players for sake of boosting tank & securing good draft position.

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This is how game rigging looks like, even without official gambling involved. This is end of Pelicans season. Should anybody actually believe that every single starter and important role player of same team was hurt at same point, when it was in their best interes?

I'm not trying to point finger on Pelicans, every team that tanks does this.

Concept of rewarding losing in league that is being plagued by gambling is deadly combination. Flood ates are now wide open.


Although I agree with you 100% and not arguing with you, but when a team begins tanking and announcing they are sitting key players for the rest of the season etc

That’s built into the betting odds and thy spread.

I’m not a huge gambler, but I think some places won’t even offer a money line bet on those games, just spreads.


in Europe,where i'm from, and at online casinos you can gamble on margin of players of any nba game, including all those tanking teams. In UK you can bet on exact time when rain will start.

There are places where you can gamble on how many rebounds Jose Alvarado will have in random game 81# ( Heat v Pelicans, 153:104, actual game ).
Matter of fact, now you can send your own baseline offer to gambling house and they will set coefficient for you ( bit different than in USA, let's say coefficient is 2,00. On placed bet of $100, you get some $181-185 depending where you live due tax ).
Coefficients multiply with more bets you place.

So let's say you know 4 key infos about players , their coefficients are 1,80; 1,90; 1,85 & 1,85 ( 1,85 being most common in nba over/under ).
And you place $10K. Your actual profit would be clean $100K.


Sure, in game of Heat vs Pelicans, betting on Heat winning isn't rewarding because odd is too low to even bother, but if gambler knows in very same game that Cain will get 35 min and Payton will play near entire game, you can assume Payton will pile up +8 assists & Cane will score more than 12 points. Especially if coach gives up intel that only 8 men will be suited.


I'm not sure all people are actually aware how betting houses make money. They place odds in such fashion where no matter of result of actual game, they win. Even something as stupid as coin toss, bet won't be 2,00 head- 2,00 tail. But rather 1,85 head, 1-85 tail. Even if you place $100 on both, you are not getting $200 back but $185 with each turn. This is most basic structure of betting.

But they "attract" players ( addicts ) with system where they play into their greed. For example, again, Europe, in every betting house you have special board with " improved odds" and they handpick 8-10 mega popular games, mostly football, to bet on them. Those "improved odds" are lure because such games are handpicked because in football there are 3 outcomes : home team wins, home team loses but also game ends in tie. Basically from start, you are betting on outcome that only covers 1/3 scenarios. Now your odds are no longer coin flip-level "good", they are 33% at most.
Most people pick 3-4 games from pot and bet on it, and almost always due sheer number of games they are betting on, they lose. But that losing is still done in fashion where player (addict) feels like he was so damn close of winning that he will do whole process again next day.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#131 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:04 am

Mr Peanut wrote:Help me understand how a guy who has made 135M in his career feels the need to do this.


Yeah that's the thing that gets me, does he really need to do this considering the money he's made. And Billups too?? :crazy:
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Post#132 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:18 am

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Mr Peanut wrote:Help me understand how a guy who has made 135M in his career feels the need to do this.

Well probably about $40M was lost in taxes. A few million more in agent fees and other professional services like lawyer and money manager. Probably a few million gifted to family or friends in various forms. So maybe less than $90M.

Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine spending tens of millions dollars but I do know that people tend to spend toward the limit of their means and that often includes very rich people, especially when they are young and don't already possess financial responsibility when they acquire their wealth. Also doesn't help if they're immersed in a culture of opulence and become accustomed to only receiving the very best of everything.

Rozier wouldn't necessarily needed to have lost all of his basketball wealth to be incentivized by whatever his cut of the cheated winnings would be. Say he had already pissed away 3/4 of his disposable fortune and only had about $22M left, a lot of it tied up in illiquid assets like real estate or very long-term financial investments. A cut of $1M might be a big inducement for a person in such a circumstance even though it's a tiny speck of their career earnings.



OH noze how did he pay his rent?
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Post#133 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:41 am

Sooooo, why are they getting arrested and nothing happening too Kawahi and the Flippers?
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#134 » by rand » Fri Oct 24, 2025 7:38 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
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Mr Peanut wrote:Help me understand how a guy who has made 135M in his career feels the need to do this.

Well probably about $40M was lost in taxes. A few million more in agent fees and other professional services like lawyer and money manager. Probably a few million gifted to family or friends in various forms. So maybe less than $90M.

Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine spending tens of millions dollars but I do know that people tend to spend toward the limit of their means and that often includes very rich people, especially when they are young and don't already possess financial responsibility when they acquire their wealth. Also doesn't help if they're immersed in a culture of opulence and become accustomed to only receiving the very best of everything.

Rozier wouldn't necessarily needed to have lost all of his basketball wealth to be incentivized by whatever his cut of the cheated winnings would be. Say he had already pissed away 3/4 of his disposable fortune and only had about $22M left, a lot of it tied up in illiquid assets like real estate or very long-term financial investments. A cut of $1M might be a big inducement for a person in such a circumstance even though it's a tiny speck of their career earnings.



OH noze how did he pay his rent?

You misunderstood my point, which wasn't sympathy with people who blow huge wealth but to explain how it happens.
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Post#135 » by maverick_41 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 8:31 am

Can we check if Nico told someone to make a bet on Dallas not making a playoffs last season? He could do it at any point of the season before February
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#136 » by Mr Peanut » Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:07 am

meatwad4343 wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:Help me understand how a guy who has made 135M in his career feels the need to do this.


Gambling is an addiction just like drugs and alcholol. Some dudes just can't help it.


Indomitable wrote:Because they become addicted. Most people love that high when they gamble.


This "gambling" is not in the vein of why most individuals are addicted though. A big part of gambling addiction is because of the dopamine rush of betting on something that isn't a sure thing and coming out richer for it. Rozier is essentially betting on a sure thing knowing it will win, as he controls when he leaves a game and therefore knows he will achieve his under bet. There is no gamble in it, he is just guaranteeing himself more money. But as others have said $200k is a drop in the bucket when you have already earned tens of millions of dollars and stand to lose millions more if you are caught and your career is over.
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Re: Terry Rozier arrested by FBI in sports gambling probe 

Post#137 » by -Luke- » Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:08 am

chrisab123 wrote:Heard a rumor that one of the games in question is game 7 of the ECF in 2018.

Either way this guy is done.

Rozier cost Daniel Theis a championship ring. I ******* knew it.
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Post#138 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:09 am

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lol how did the NBA not discover this during their investigation?


The FBI is the FBI, the NBA is a sports league. Guarantee that the NBA can't access certain things the FBI actually can.




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Post#139 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:13 am

Sixers in 4 wrote:So chauncey rigged poker games to ensnare NBA players. I remember people wanting to give him slack what an absolute POS




Billups always came across as that angry uncle that does shady things and tries to get you involved into something…
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Post#140 » by SkyBill40 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 3:20 pm

djsunyc wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:There's no coming back from this for the league. They're so in cahoots with sports gambling that there's absolutely no way they could break away clean. Not to mention they'd be losing a ton of revenue.


how do you police your players? if a player wants to partake in gambling in their personal life, then what do you do? imho, there's no cahoots here. the players are adults and are doing this independently of the league unless you somehow think the nba is actually encouraging their own players to gamble.


There's no hard and fast way to "police" the players; however, there are likely rules that govern that kind of activity in the CBA and the league has, I'm sure, covered it with the NBPA to pass the details along about what is and is not allowable. If players are doing this kind of stuff, then there's an inherent risk they will get caught and have major repercussions on their careers. See Jontay Porter for example. From an ESPN story on the evolving case:

"The Uniform Player Contract (UPC) that Rozier signed has language that gives commissioner Adam Silver sole power in his discretion to suspend Rozier indefinitely or to expel him if he has bet, or has offered to bet, money or anything of value on any NBA game. There is also language in the NBA Operations Manual that prohibits any player, coach and team executive from "tipping" information that could be used in connection with betting on NBA league games. "Tipping," is the disclosure of "confidential information" to any person who does not have a legitimate business need for the information."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46696437/nba-sports-betting-gambling-scandal-rozier-billups-fbi-arrests

This is a problem and always has been. I don't see any way to break away from it though. As Jello said it, more or less: You can't invite sharks into the water and think they won't bite the fish.
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