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Post#61 » by Butter » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:06 pm

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oldfishermen wrote:Billups out on bail.


I don't think he was ever "in", was he? I didn't think federal prosecutors were detaining him as a condition of his arrest?

My sense of it is that they arrested him around 6am, took him to the court house to formally charge him and released him with the standard no passport/travel restrictions/firearms conditions. I think he has his next court in late November...

I'm not really standing up for Billups...but I do wonder if Billups had full knowledge of all the cheating that was going on, or if he was approached by a "company" that offered him this position as a "face card" to attract and play games with rich people, without knowing they were rigged or tied to mafia.

I guess we'll see. It would be unusual for the FBI to make their move on a long, ongoing investigation without enough evidence for a cut-and-dry case...So they probably have enough evidence to convict. More than likely he'll plea bargain down to lesser charges and pay huge fines (I imagine his bail was enormous). Personally, if that happens I doubt that he'll lose his spot in the HOF...I doubt teams will touch him again as a coach. I could see him going back to broadcasting...


I don't think it's going to matter, specifically that he disclosed team info to gamblers.


I could see a scenario where Billups becomes the Pete Rose of the NBA. The NBA is going to have to make an example out of him to scare the rest of the league away from any hint of this kind of behavior moving forward.

Silver has embraced thr legalized gambling due to the increased revenue. I heard a podcast today talking about how he has been advocating federalized standards for online gaming to overcome the complexity of the different State to State standards.
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Post#62 » by mighty_duck » Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:41 pm

PDXKnight wrote:On the radio they mentioned the possibility that Billups with mafia ties who knows what could happen to him. As much as I want him gone from the blazers at this point i also hope nobody offs him given tne mafias long history of "eliminating" witnesses

As happy as I am to see him leave our sidelines, I feel for him. He is most probably a pawn and somewhat a victim himself.
A respected hall of famer with career earnings of over $100m (and still earning $5m per year) doesn't approach the Mob and offer to sell a game or a poker match for 100k. It doesn't add up.
Either they had some dirt on him, he owed them a lot of money, or had some other involvement that stopped him from going to the feds when he was told to sell info. I doubt they asked very nicely.

How he got involved in the first place is a better question.
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Post#63 » by zzaj » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:13 pm

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PDXKnight wrote:On the radio they mentioned the possibility that Billups with mafia ties who knows what could happen to him. As much as I want him gone from the blazers at this point i also hope nobody offs him given tne mafias long history of "eliminating" witnesses

As happy as I am to see him leave our sidelines, I feel for him. He is most probably a pawn and somewhat a victim himself.
A respected hall of famer with career earnings of over $100m (and still earning $5m per year) doesn't approach the Mob and offer to sell a game or a poker match for 100k. It doesn't add up.
Either they had some dirt on him, he owed them a lot of money, or had some other involvement that stopped him from going to the feds when he was told to sell info. I doubt they asked very nicely.

How he got involved in the first place is a better question.


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Post#64 » by DusterBuster » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:21 pm

The NBA really needs to start looking deeper into tanking teams with the gambling angle if they aren't already. I'm just a dumb fan, so this is probably already underway, but after thinking on the Billups situation, when you're actively tanking and everyone knows you are, it is SO easy to be sure you cover a spread or clear a prop for a friend at the end of games you need to lose. Spread is a little hard, your team has to be within that margin to make it happen, but props... one of your players needs to get so many rebounds... "hey 13th man who can't shoot 3's, I want you to stand behind the arc and heave it the second it comes to you"... *CLANK - big man grabs rebound*.

Tanking is just completely ripe for these kinds of shenanigans.
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Post#65 » by mojomarc » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:26 pm

DusterBuster wrote:The NBA really needs to start looking deeper into tanking teams with the gambling angle if they aren't already. I'm just a dumb fan, so this is probably already underway, but after thinking on the Billups situation, when you're actively tanking and everyone knows you are, it is SO easy to be sure you cover a spread or clear a prop for a friend at the end of games you need to lose. Spread is a little hard, your team has to be within that margin to make it happen, but props... one of your players needs to get so many rebounds... "hey 13th man who can't shoot 3's, I want you to stand behind the arc and heave it the second it comes to you"... *CLANK - big man grabs rebound*.

Tanking is just completely ripe for these kinds of shenanigans.


I'm thinking there is a really interesting class action lawsuit out there for fans who didn't have the insider info, paid premiums for tickets, only to see a subpar product. Not sure what legs it might have, but I could see pointing to lack of action on tanking as a good reason for liability.
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Post#66 » by zzaj » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:29 pm

DusterBuster wrote:The NBA really needs to start looking deeper into tanking teams with the gambling angle if they aren't already. I'm just a dumb fan, so this is probably already underway, but after thinking on the Billups situation, when you're actively tanking and everyone knows you are, it is SO easy to be sure you cover a spread or clear a prop for a friend at the end of games you need to lose. Spread is a little hard, your team has to be within that margin to make it happen, but props... one of your players needs to get so many rebounds... "hey 13th man who can't shoot 3's, I want you to stand behind the arc and heave it the second it comes to you"... *CLANK - big man grabs rebound*.

Tanking is just completely ripe for these kinds of shenanigans.


Which is part of why it would be so hard to convict. There would have to be A LOT of clear-cut evidence of game tampering in order to prove guilt.

I 1M% agree, that the NBA HAS to do something to fix the current lottery system. I forget now who created the idea, but a points system based on beating teams with a better record than you, would be a step in the correct direction. Personally, I find it unconscionable that Silver has allowed and actively promotes legalized gambling into the NBA. I don't see ANY positives that can come from it.
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Post#67 » by JasonStern » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:33 pm

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Buying out Ayton wasn't the best, especially if he signed at a discount with the Lakers. But that gave us the cap space to resign Dame. Fingers crossed he recovers.


Buying out Ayton was absolutley the best. Getting enough of a salary reduction to open the full MLE for Dame was even better. Ayton is not a good basketball player. He isnt even Drummond, more of a Christian Wood. Dude stinks.


And I get into this over and over. You can just let contracts expire. Taking on dead cap space doesn't help.
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Did a reduced buyout let us re-sign Dame? Seems like it. Worth it for that alone. Dame on the bench is probably as conductive to winning as Ayton on the floor.
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Post#68 » by zzaj » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:35 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:The NBA really needs to start looking deeper into tanking teams with the gambling angle if they aren't already. I'm just a dumb fan, so this is probably already underway, but after thinking on the Billups situation, when you're actively tanking and everyone knows you are, it is SO easy to be sure you cover a spread or clear a prop for a friend at the end of games you need to lose. Spread is a little hard, your team has to be within that margin to make it happen, but props... one of your players needs to get so many rebounds... "hey 13th man who can't shoot 3's, I want you to stand behind the arc and heave it the second it comes to you"... *CLANK - big man grabs rebound*.

Tanking is just completely ripe for these kinds of shenanigans.


I'm thinking there is a really interesting class action lawsuit out there for fans who didn't have the insider info, paid premiums for tickets, only to see a subpar product. Not sure what legs it might have, but I could see pointing to lack of action on tanking as a good reason for liability.


I love the idea of sticking it to Adam Silver, but I don't think this would be possible. For one, AFAIK when you purchase a ticket you agree to terms and conditions that waive the right to sue the league or its teams over competitive outcomes. Additionally, gathering enough fact-based, common claim evidence to justify a civil, CA suit would be tough.
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Post#69 » by JasonStern » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:36 pm

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SweaterBae wrote:Terry Stotts come on down!


Not enough defense. Really wouldn't like a coach who isnt one dimensional and now i think we (almost) have the owner willing to try for a better name like Mike Malone


I don't think Stotts would come back if he was offered. But, I have to come to his defense here. You had a horrific GM in Olshey going "Start three 6'3" guards!" to work with. Name any coach that can make that work defensively at the NBA level. I'm honestly more impressed with how much he won.
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Post#70 » by mojomarc » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:38 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:The NBA really needs to start looking deeper into tanking teams with the gambling angle if they aren't already. I'm just a dumb fan, so this is probably already underway, but after thinking on the Billups situation, when you're actively tanking and everyone knows you are, it is SO easy to be sure you cover a spread or clear a prop for a friend at the end of games you need to lose. Spread is a little hard, your team has to be within that margin to make it happen, but props... one of your players needs to get so many rebounds... "hey 13th man who can't shoot 3's, I want you to stand behind the arc and heave it the second it comes to you"... *CLANK - big man grabs rebound*.

Tanking is just completely ripe for these kinds of shenanigans.


I'm thinking there is a really interesting class action lawsuit out there for fans who didn't have the insider info, paid premiums for tickets, only to see a subpar product. Not sure what legs it might have, but I could see pointing to lack of action on tanking as a good reason for liability.


I love the idea of sticking it to Adam Silver, but I don't think this would be possible. For one, AFAIK when you purchase a ticket you agree to terms and conditions that waive the right to sue the league or its teams over competitive outcomes. Additionally, gathering enough fact-based, common claim evidence to justify a civil, CA suit would be tough.


That set of Ts and Cs wouldn't prevent someone from bringing a case to a judge, though. And the case would be "we're not suing over competitive outcomes. We're suing because the games were not competitive from the start due to the complicity of the league and the owners which defrauded our clients out of getting the fair value of their ticket"

Again, not an attorney, but those terms and conditions generally aren't worth the paper they're printed on when there is bad faith on the ticket-issuer side
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Post#71 » by JasonStern » Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:52 pm

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PDXKnight wrote:On the radio they mentioned the possibility that Billups with mafia ties who knows what could happen to him. As much as I want him gone from the blazers at this point i also hope nobody offs him given tne mafias long history of "eliminating" witnesses

As happy as I am to see him leave our sidelines, I feel for him. He is most probably a pawn and somewhat a victim himself.
A respected hall of famer with career earnings of over $100m (and still earning $5m per year) doesn't approach the Mob and offer to sell a game or a poker match for 100k. It doesn't add up.
Either they had some dirt on him, he owed them a lot of money, or had some other involvement that stopped him from going to the feds when he was told to sell info. I doubt they asked very nicely.

How he got involved in the first place is a better question.


Simplest answer is typically the correct one. Billups likely got drunk. Was hanging out with some sketch dudes. And let some info about the clearly apparent Blazers tank job leak. Doesn't make it right. It's still private corporate information. But that seems far more likely than some side hustle that paid him less than Chicago blowing his team out.

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Post#72 » by Norm2953 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 7:10 pm

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PDXKnight wrote:
SweaterBae wrote:Terry Stotts come on down!


Not enough defense. Really wouldn't like a coach who isnt one dimensional and now i think we (almost) have the owner willing to try for a better name like Mike Malone


I don't think Stotts would come back if he was offered. But, I have to come to his defense here. You had a horrific GM in Olshey going "Start three 6'3" guards!" to work with. Name any coach that can make that work defensively at the NBA level. I'm honestly more impressed with how much he won.


Stotts in 2025 is 67 years old. Splitter was likely brought in to be the HC in waiting for he's young coach (40)

This turnover at least came after game 1 instead of mid season and perhaps the team with veteran leadership like
Jrue and Dame will adjust to the loss of their HC. It'll be interesting if the team will go find another assistant coach
or just ask Dame in his rehab season, step into a passive role to provide whatever Chauncey brought to the team for
its like Splitter and Bjorkgren will do fine as HC and assistant head coach
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Post#73 » by dunlop212 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 7:14 pm

How big would gambling indebtedness have to be before a millionaire could feel compelled to engage in criminal behavior? It might not be as much as you think. Let's say it was $100,000. Mobsters would not want to take a check, since banks must file SARs (suspicious activity reports) with the feds for all transactions of more than 10K. Pay cash? I imagine that it would be no simple task for Billups to walk into a bank and ask for 100K so that he could give it to a mobster. Once again, a SAR gets generated. The whole purpose of illegal gambling is to avoid paying taxes on winnings. That might trigger a tax audit.

Rest assured that the feds have a pretty strong case; wiretaps, cooperators, undercover officers, etc.
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Post#74 » by PDXKnight » Fri Oct 24, 2025 7:49 pm

dunlop212 wrote:How big would gambling indebtedness have to be before a millionaire could feel compelled to engage in criminal behavior? It might not be as much as you think. Let's say it was $100,000. Mobsters would not want to take a check, since banks must file SARs (suspicious activity reports) with the feds for all transactions of more than 10K. Pay cash? I imagine that it would be no simple task for Billups to walk into a bank and ask for 100K so that he could give it to a mobster. Once again, a SAR gets generated. The whole purpose of illegal gambling is to avoid paying taxes on winnings. That might trigger a tax audit.

Rest assured that the feds have a pretty strong case; wiretaps, cooperators, undercover officers, etc.


10k is the limit I think? If he had time wouldnt be hard to pull 100k on his income but if it was 900k or it was "pay up now or you'll lose a finger" probably changes the picture a lot
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Post#75 » by red_power » Fri Oct 24, 2025 8:08 pm

Terry Stotts is a very good coach who squeezed almost 100% out of a quite mediocre and VERY flawed roster he had during his tenure with Blazers. I doubt he would like to be back to this team though. I think it's a better idea to move on for both sides.
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Post#76 » by dunlop212 » Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:33 pm

Doing multiple transactions in order to evade the 10K limit is a separate felony called structuring.
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Post#77 » by Walton1one » Fri Oct 24, 2025 11:18 pm

You know the other option on the poker thing is that he was not under duress and did it b\c he wanted to (and the side money wasn't bad either). Clearly, he has been associating with these people for quite a while. Maybe he just isn't the "good guy" everybody likes to paint him as.
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Post#78 » by DusterBuster » Sat Oct 25, 2025 12:15 am

I will say, my endless frustrations about Billups (seemingly) brain-dead time out calls and decision making to close out games the first few years after he got the job sure look a lot more different in hindsight.
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Post#79 » by Butter » Sat Oct 25, 2025 12:21 am

dunlop212 wrote:How big would gambling indebtedness have to be before a millionaire could feel compelled to engage in criminal behavior? It might not be as much as you think. Let's say it was $100,000. Mobsters would not want to take a check, since banks must file SARs (suspicious activity reports) with the feds for all transactions of more than 10K. Pay cash? I imagine that it would be no simple task for Billups to walk into a bank and ask for 100K so that he could give it to a mobster. Once again, a SAR gets generated. The whole purpose of illegal gambling is to avoid paying taxes on winnings. That might trigger a tax audit.

Rest assured that the feds have a pretty strong case; wiretaps, cooperators, undercover officers, etc.


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Post#80 » by DusterBuster » Sat Oct 25, 2025 6:52 pm

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Here's the Blazers bulletpoints if you don't want to bother watching:

*Cronin told team in a meeting after news broke. Told players they are not allowed to contact Billups while investigation is ongoing.
*They offered job to Bjorkgren before Splitter, he declined to stay in his current role. The reasoning given was because of his relationship with Billups.
*When Splitter talked after Cronin told team he would be the HC, he told the team that he's in charge and he wants to "keep the team afloat until they get their coach back"


The last bulletpoint is a little - lets say - eyebrow raising. My hope is this isn't being taken literally that the team might ever considering hiring Billups back. They, IMO, should be turning the page immediately on Billups. That said, I can understand reasons not to take a such a black-and-white stance that could alienate the team considering how beloved Billups was in that lockerroom and organization. I can also still understand they need to let the legal process play out before they can fire him and cancel his contract. I do believe the moral cause is still ther

Ignoring the personal side of things, I think the Blazers have a massive upgrade in going from Billups to Splitter as HC. He's got way more experience coming into this job that Billups has, Billups to me has always been a slightly less irritating Doc Rivers. A dude guys genuinely like playing for and a great motivator that keeps lockerrooms together, but just nonsensical with play-calling, rotations, timeouts and challenges. He's gotten.... beetttteerrrr... but man, I trust the coaching decision of a coach with the experience and coming from the Pop coaching tree infinitely more than I ever did Billups.

So, this is a long way to say, I'm hoping that speech to the team was just Splitter speaking and appealing to the emotions of the teams love for Billups as a person vs what the team actual intends to do in the long-term at the HC position. Even if these charges end up to be overblown, the FBI overplaying their hands a bit or something Billups can plead out of with cooperation in some way that he doesn't serve any jailtime, having him back would be an absolute disaster PR move for the team.

Even if you play the best case scenario game here, it sure seems the FBI has him dead to rights on the gambling thing... but your milage may vary how damning of a issue that is. From what I've heard and read, it was rich guys doing rich guy things. The game was rigged, but the none pro gamblers who played in the game and lost likely still had a good time and got to spend a night partying with some of their idols / be star struck. Maybe I'm too nonchalant about that, but if some multi-millionaires lose what amounts to some chump change... whatever. It's shady and he obviously shouldn't do it, but also I can understand why players and people in that stratosphere maybe aren't super bent out of shape about it. The mob ties are obviously... a MAJOR issue, but then you have to find out how much Billups knew about these guys background. My gut would assume he would have known, but there's a chance he may be able to plead some ignorance there, we don't know and may never know.

Than for the issue of him sharing of private information on game decisions... If we're playing the same "best case scenario", it could have been him just talking to a buddy about the game and that person takes the information and uses it for gambling. Again, personally, I'm highly highly highly skeptical that is the case (kind of think it's laughable, but besides the point), but it can't be ruled out with the limited knowledge we have on the outside.

So lets just say those two best cases, the gambling thing was shady, but he didn't know about the mob ties and the insider info was just him talking to a friend who did shady things with it... those are still plenty of reason for cause imo to let him go even if he faces no charges. He was a bad hire from the jump, seems like a genuinely nice human being from all accounts - but clearly likes to live on the line and cross that line from time to time, and that's just not the kind of person I want representing a team. Nice people with poor judgement skills are not good representations for an organization.
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